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Josh Sugarmann

Josh Sugarmann

Posted: May 14, 2010 02:03 PM

NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed

What's Your Reaction:

The National Rifle Association's annual meeting is this weekend and it's a galaxy of pro-gun stars!

Sarah Palin!

Glenn Beck!

Newt Gringrich!

Ollie North!

Oh, and no guns.

Yes, in this celebration of all things that go bang, each of these NRA-sanctioned speakers will be offering their address before a crowd of disarmed gun enthusiasts.

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On its website, the NRA warns:

North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check.

To think that you'd have to suffer the indignity of going through a metal detector to hear someone proselytize about your right to carry your gun anywhere you want is easy irony.

So why is the NRA allowing their leadership, their membership, and their special guests--even NRA board member Ted Nugent, yes, even the Nuge!--to be forced to undergo the indignity of being stripped of their guns with little more than a whimper?

Well, because to do otherwise would frankly be nuts.

And despite complaints lodged on pro-gun message boards, the NRA knows this. And I'm willing to bet that the rationale offered by Ken at NRA headquarters isn't very satisfying to most concealed and open-carry fans:

Thank you for contacting us.


The Charlotte Convention Center does not allow the carrying of firearms, both open and concealed.

The large size of our event and the fact that many of the largest convention centers are in some of the most restrictive cities leaves us with relatively few convention centers large enough to accommodate the Annual Meetings. In an effort to provide all NRA members a better opportunity to attend the Annual Meetings, it is important that we move the event around the country as much as possible. While we will not consider bringing the Annual Meetings to a city with gun laws we feel are restrictive, we must however deal with convention centers that have restrictions simply because there are so few convention centers that both allow conceal carry and are large enough to host all of the events that comprise the Annual Meetings.

Thank you for your support!

Best Regards,

Ken
NRA Member Communications

The NRA could publicly gnash their teeth and caterwaul about mass disarmament resulting from the draconian rules imposed by the state of North Carolina and the dark overlords of the Time-Warner Cable Arena. Instead, they relegate the issue to a note on their website and a cheery e-mail from Ken. And that's because even the NRA is well aware that a heavily armed crowd numbering in the tens of thousands (as promised by the organization) is an invitation to mishap and even disaster.



 

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06:48 PM on 05/18/2010
Josh wrote: "even the NRA is well aware that a heavily armed crowd numbering in the tens of thousands (as promised by the organization) is an invitation to mishap and even disaster. "

How quickly one forgets, huh Josh?

"Packing Heat: NRA members can be armed at Louisville convention 11:35 PM EDT on Wednesday, May 7, 2008

(WHAS 11) - One of Louisville’s biggest conventions, the National Rifle Association, begins Friday May 16th with most events at the fairgrounds. The NRA is advising its members to feel free to bring along their own firearms if they are so inclined. And apparently even to a speech by the republican presidential candidate John McCain.

When McCain appears at the NRA convention in Louisville next Friday, not only will his security detail be armed, but so will the audience.

The national rifle association's Ashley Varner says it's "a treat" that the Kentucky Exposition Center, unlike previous NRA convention sites, allows concealed weapons.

Kentucky law does allow some public buildings to ban concealed weapons, like courthouses, jails, schools and city hall. Private businesses can set their own rules. But the NRA website is alerting members that Kentucky recognizes concealed carry permits from all states.

The NRA says they have no way of knowing how many of the 60,000+ attendees will bring their guns with them. There's no word yet from the Transportation Safety Administration if they are making any special plans at the airport."
09:56 PM on 05/17/2010
If this article was about a VPC Annual Meeting, the headline would be "VPC Annual Meeting: No members at all"

That's because after over 20 years of existance, the VPC still has no real membership. As such it is hardly is a position to criticize an NRA event that attracts tens of thousands.
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Old Jarhead
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01:56 PM on 05/18/2010
Actually, Ohio9, I have never seen such a big deal made out of such a non story as the NRA respecting the laws and regulations of the venue where they were holding their convention. That the VPC would make such a big deal of the NRA doing as was asked of them is unbelievable.
07:22 AM on 05/19/2010
joshie is just steamed that the VPC and BC are irrelevant
05:23 PM on 05/17/2010
* 72,128 NRA Members went through the Exhibit Hall. That’s a record breaker, the previous being in Louisville at 66,229. Normally we only break the attendane record by a thousand or two, this year NRA broke its attendance record by just under 6000 people! So much for the narrative that NRA is out of touch with its members.
* Revenue for the NRA Store was $415,000 which is a record amount.
* NRA signed up $683,000 in new or upgraded memberships.
* The ILA dinner brought in $244,000, also a record.
* 9,466 people attended the Leadership Forum
* 11,754 people attended the Freedom Experience, which is normally the NRA Banquet.

http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2010/05/17/facts-from-the-nra-convention/
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molonlabe
Before you ban it, at least learn what it is.
09:20 AM on 05/18/2010
Do you have any statistics on how many Wheel barrows full Of Cash!(tm) the NRA handed out to the 72(k)+ obviously-paid shills? ;)
04:28 PM on 05/17/2010
The NRA certainly chose to have their convention in a state where they knew guns were prohibited. This gave them cover to not let any gun crazies into their insane asylum meeting. Oh these cowardly hypocrites!
05:55 PM on 05/17/2010
hwj--North Carolina is a firearm/2nd amendment friendly state--it just so happens that the venue is a gun free zone--please do your research
06:01 PM on 05/17/2010
Okay, they knew the venue was gun free.
06:02 PM on 05/17/2010
hwj, the NRA has held its convention in places where guns are allowed to be carried before. That this current one was held in a place that bans them is nothing but random chance.
03:19 PM on 05/17/2010
Boy, I hit a nerve earlier, makes you want to shoot me huh?
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
05:23 PM on 05/17/2010
Nope, even as a gun owner with a CCW, I will be the bigger man and ignore you. Sorry
05:56 PM on 05/17/2010
hoplophobic idiots help our side--I want you to keep posting
11:19 AM on 05/17/2010
Wierd, too bad for all the wachos who wanted to bring their special automatic weapons.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
11:56 AM on 05/17/2010
Please explain your assertion.
02:59 PM on 05/17/2010
What automatic weapons?

Please show me examples of automatic weapons commonly found on the civilian market.

Here is a hint: There arn't any.
10:47 AM on 05/17/2010
It's amazing how any blog entry concerning firearms gets swamped with hundreds of gun nut postings.

Does the NRA have some sort of automated action alert "bat signal" that sends all the nutbags to clog the comments section up with 2nd amendment cliches?

For the record, I own a handgun, but I'm not militant about it, and I don't fetishize guns. NO ONE is coming to take your guns away...stop with the hysteria.
10:50 AM on 05/17/2010
So all you have are personal attacks. Do you realize the VPC who you're defending here support banning your handgun?
10:58 AM on 05/17/2010
Where are the personal attacks? The NRA extremists who always swamp these posts ARE militant, and they DO fetishize guns.

I'm aware that there plenty of fellow liberals and progressives who clamor about how evil guns are, but the reality is that there is no political organization anywhere in America that has the clout to ban guns. It's just not going to happen.

The hysteria that gets whipped up from the pro-gun crowd is what I object to.
12:18 PM on 05/17/2010
aceshigh--Sugarmann has a long history of demanding civilian disarmament
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padrushka
question authority
10:17 AM on 05/17/2010
"to be forced to undergo the indignity of being stripped of their guns with little more than a whimper?

Well, because to do otherwise would frankly be nuts."

so this means they are all now nutless without their guns??
09:58 AM on 05/17/2010
Ha ha. Hypocrisy to the max.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
10:23 AM on 05/17/2010
Please substantiate your assertion.
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lesterbud
Facts ARE Liberty
11:11 AM on 05/17/2010
The NRA supports carrying guns in Church.
The NRA supports carrying guns in National Parks.
The NRA has, at is very core, the notion that responsible gun ownership is never a problem, and as such, guns should be carried by members at all times. Furthermore, this will result in the increase of public safety and the deterrence of crime.
Apparently, this does not include a gathering of their own members.
They could have found a venue for their meeting that would allow guns.
They could have had their meetings in a National Park.
09:37 AM on 05/17/2010
"City officials estimate the convention drew close to 80,000 attendees over the weekend and brought in about $20 million dollars."

http://nrablog.com/post/2010/05/17/City-officials-say-80000-NRA-members-visited-Charlotte.aspx
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lesterbud
Facts ARE Liberty
11:12 AM on 05/17/2010
NRA spokesperson stating an unsubstantiated and obviously slanted opinion.
What "city official"?
What facts?
01:44 PM on 05/17/2010
So you're admitting you didn't even bother reading the link.
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
09:15 AM on 05/17/2010
I think we should all demand open carry at that meeting. Their do as we say not as we do mentality is on full display here.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
10:23 AM on 05/17/2010
Please explain why you would demand violations of state law.
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11:18 AM on 05/17/2010
Dimensio, please explain why everyone should explain their thoughts to you. You recognize the NRAs hypocrisy or you would not be alll over this board. If the NRA practiced what they preached no one could complain. However, saying they are limited in choices is as weak an excuse as any. If the NRA was serious about concealed or open carry they could have found a hall somewhere that would allow those who which to show their bulge, to do so. BTW, I am an avid gun owner, shooter, and former hunter and no I do not belong to the NRA because they do not represent my views.
03:05 PM on 05/17/2010
No it isn't. The "obey the law whether we like it or not" is what is on display. There NRA has to obey the law, even when they disagree with it. That's not hypocracy. It's the cost of living in a society governed by the rule of law.
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glockman
07:50 AM on 05/17/2010
"And that's because even the NRA is well aware that a heavily armed crowd numbering in the tens of thousands (as promised by the organization) is an invitation to mishap and even disaster."

Your tirade against lawful firearms ownership, and your desire to outlaw all forms of firearm ownership have grown truly weary.

And now you're jumping the shark with one of the lamest arguments I've ever heard. I quit the NRA in 1993, but surely you, Mr. Sugarmann, director of the vaunted VPC, understands what the rule of law is. The convention center where they've chosen to have their convention does not allow firearms on the property. So, in essence, the NRA are respecting the property rights of a privately owned business (who most certainly have the right to regulate their property as they see fit). Is it possible that by doing so, the NRA are proving they are better people than you, Mr. Sugarmann? You seem to be suggesting they flagrantly ignore the rights of the property owner, you know, like you so desperately desire to ignore the rights of firearms owners.
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StJames
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08:05 AM on 05/17/2010
Good morning!

Didn't FL pass a law enabling people to keep guns in their cars while parked in company parking lots? What about the property rights of those company owners? Somehow this entire issue is ass backwards and a crock of - - - - flows from both sides.
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glockman
08:17 AM on 05/17/2010
Good morning to you. I hope you had a good weekend.

And yes, Florida did pass that law. To be quite honest with you. I strongly disagree with that piece of legislation. Yes, I believe we have the right to bear arms, but I also happen to believe in the sovereignty of property rights. I don't feel the state of Florida has the right, or even obligation to trump those rights of property owners.
03:13 PM on 05/17/2010
I'm not sure property rights should give every business owner the right to micromanage the lawful contents of their employees or customer's private vehicles. To me the law seemed like a reasonable compromise. Business owners can still ban guns in their buildings and prevent anyone from taking them out of their vehicles, while employees and customers can still have the means to defend themselves on the trip to the place and on the way back home.
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MajorKong
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09:45 PM on 05/16/2010
You'll put your eye out kid.
12:04 AM on 05/17/2010
majorkong--you really need new material since you have been making the same stale posts for over 2 years
07:02 PM on 05/16/2010
If you want to talk about real irony (seeing as having to comply with the law when you disagree with it isn't ironic) perhaps this would be a good time to point out the Josh Sugarmann has a Federal Firearms License.

Who is the real example of hypocricy here? It isn't the NRA
04:23 PM on 05/16/2010
Well, why do none of the ceo's of tobacco companies smoke?

Answer: They know their own product.

It's the same with the NRA honchos. They know their own product.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
04:40 PM on 05/16/2010
Most o fthe "NRA honchos" shoot.

The reason firearms are not allowed to be carried at the convention is simply a matter of complying with the state law and the rules of the convention center. There will be plenty of firearms on display in booths where people can pick them up and handle them.
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krechsd
09:11 PM on 05/16/2010
Isn't this state law violating your 2nd Amendment rights?
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
09:26 PM on 05/16/2010
Is the convention center public or private owned? I realize some venues are prohibited property, just not familiar with that states laws..
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
06:19 PM on 05/16/2010
Your assertion implies that the prohibition on the carrying of firearms by visitors to the convention center was established by the National Rifle Association. As this is not the case, your claim is based either upon ignorance or upon dishonesty. Please explain whether you have failed to adequately research the subject that you are discussing or whether you are merely lying.