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Josh Sugarmann

Posted: January 20, 2010 12:33 PM

Virginia Mass Shooting Most Recent by Concealed Handgun Permit Holder

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Christopher Bryan Speight, the 39-year-old man who allegedly shot and killed eight men and women yesterday in Appomattox, Virginia, is at least the 12th person licensed to carry a concealed handgun reported to have committed a mass shooting since May 2007.

According to the Associated Press, Appomattox County court records show a concealed weapons permit was issued to a Christopher Bryan Speight three times between 1999 and last year.

The 11 prior mass shootings are detailed on the VPC's web site, Concealed Carry Killers, an on-line resource, updated monthly, that tallies from news reports of killings by concealed handgun permit holders. Not including yesterday's shooting, Concealed Carry Killers reports that since May 2007 concealed handgun permit holders have killed at least 117 people, including nine law enforcement officers.

Prior to yesterday's shooting, concealed handgun permit holders had claimed 43 innocent lives in 11 mass shootings since May 2007 (in addition, in six of the incidents, the shooter killed himself). Yesterday's shooting brings the total number of innocent victims reportedly killed by concealed handgun permit holders in mass shootings during this period to 51.

Yesterday's attack is, in fact, the second mass shooting in Virginia by a concealed carry permit holder in less than two years. In May 2008, concealed handgun permit holder Aaron Poseidon Jackson, 24, shot and killed his two children, one-year-old Aaron Neptune Jackson and two-year-old Nicole Aaron Jackson, and their mother Latasha Nicole Thomas, before taking his own life. Jackson was wearing body armor and was surrounded by guns and ammunition when police found him dead in their home in the Walt Lou Trailer Park in Falmouth, Virginia. Christopher Bryan Speight was also wearing body armor when he surrendered to police.

Two mass shootings in two years. Perhaps someone should ask Governor Bob McDonnell whether it's time to reconsider Virginia's lax concealed weapons law.

 

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06:01 PM on 01/24/2010
As Lynn Oge/Jade continues to try and fill the thread w/ unsupported and inane bits of nonsense, let's review some of the more entertaining claims he's made from this and other threads:

Jade claimed that there are only 300 gang murders a year in the US and that Chicago accounts for nearly half of them. This, along w/the 190 in LA last year, would mean that the zombie apocalypse is upon us as voodoo gang leaders like the guy in Predator II resurrect the dead.

As it turns out, the '300' was itself deliberately reduced by him and also referenced only ONE (yes that's 1) city. Not the entire US.

Then we have the deliberate inflation of the US murder rate by 35%.
His claim that Chicago is bigger than New York by 2 million people.
Meteorites kill hundreds of people in the US every year.
The Census Bureau is lying about population numbers.
Filing down a FIRING pin makes any gun into a machinegun.

So what kind of person would take ANY of his claims seriously?
05:47 PM on 01/24/2010
What's sad is that VA won't make VA's CCW laws a little more stringent.

Instead, the only legislation VA GOPers are considering is how to hide CCW records from the public. IOW, VA GOPers don't care how many people get killed by VA CCW holders. They just care aboutmaking sure the fact that CCW murderers are hidden from public sight.

Thanks to the NRA.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
06:16 AM on 01/25/2010
As stated elsewhere:

"the only legislation VA GOPers are considering is how to hide CCW records from the public"

Key word, "public", not from law enforcement, not from the judicial system. Just from people like you whi misuse the information.

"IOW, VA GOPers don't care how many people get killed by VA CCW holders"

How exactly would you, Jade/Lynn, knowing who has a permit, prevent any crimes? HINT: It wouldn't. You are just upset that you might lose access to data. However, if people from your side of the fence had not misused the data, you would not be losing access to it.
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I just don't know what went wrong!
09:19 AM on 01/25/2010
Please explain why your assertions should be considered to be credible, given the demonstrably false nature of your previous commentary.
09:08 PM on 01/23/2010
To conclude the article with this question is ridiculous:

"Perhaps someone should ask Governor Bob McDonnell whether it's time to reconsider Virginia's lax concealed weapons law."

Unless of course the gun lobby didn't pay its dues.
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I just don't know what went wrong!
01:49 PM on 01/24/2010
Please explain your statement.
10:09 AM on 01/23/2010
In Chicago, IL, in 2009 alone, people w/o Concealed Carry licenses killed over 450 people.

How can that be in a city where handguns are banned like the VPC wants?
12:04 PM on 01/23/2010
So Chicago has had 3 times the firearms related murders than Josh has been able to find with CCW holders over several years? That proves that the BC/VPC/Joyce foundation are not interested in reducing crime
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
08:55 PM on 01/22/2010
"Christopher Bryan Speight, the 39-year-old man who allegedly shot and killed eight men and women yesterday in Appomattox, Virginia, is at least the 12th person licensed to carry a concealed handgun reported to have committed a mass shooting since May 2007. "

And like about 83% of the misleading "evidence" Josh throws out about these things, did not use a firearm he was carrying concealed in public.

Therefore, the fact that he had a CCW is largely meaningless.
09:53 PM on 01/22/2010
The fact that he was able to get a "CCW" despite his history of mental breakdowns isn't, though.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
10:08 PM on 01/22/2010
If he had been arrested for violence, had an RO against him, or had been adjudicated a danger to himself or others, it would have been revoked. Not a failing of the concealed carry permitsystem or Virginia firearm laws.
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11:39 AM on 01/22/2010
While reading an article yesterday, I came across several comments which have lead me to pose the following question: The gun-banners posting here have objectively demonstrated that their understanding of firearms is absurdly (perhaps WILLFULLY?) incorrect. Similarly, they have objectively demonstrated that their understanding of firearms use and misuse is pathetically inaccurate.

So, please tell us, Paul, Josh, Dennis, Josh, Marian, DreamWeaver, JadeGold (or whoever you are this week), Lee (or whoever YOU are this week), jsgaetano, Keli, etc. etc. etc. what makes you think your grasp of the proper methods for dealing with the willful misuse (as well as the misuse of firearms by the mentally ill) is any more correct or accurate?

We’ll wait!
Old SF MJT
12:06 PM on 01/22/2010
OldSF--of course you realize that the only response of the people you mentioned will be huge amounts of organic bovine/caprine fertilizer combined with massive amounts of complaints about how we lie and are being ubernasty to them
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01:04 PM on 01/22/2010
YEP!!! ;)
11:39 PM on 01/20/2010
It is mind boggling how few crimes are committed by gun permit holders given the fact that there are so many millions of them.
11:14 PM on 01/20/2010
In other news, MILLIONS of concealed carry permit holders have suddenly, without warning, harmed NO ONE, over a period of YEARS.
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07:50 PM on 01/20/2010
" Perhaps someone should ask Governor Bob McDonnell whether it's time to reconsider Virginia's lax concealed weapons law."

I am confused; in what way is is the concealed weapons law of Virgina related to Mr. Speight's alleged criminal actions?
09:51 PM on 01/20/2010
Didn't you know? Clearly the little plastic CCW permit card in his pocket became sentient and talked him into committing the terrible crime!

Perhaps the vpc's new slogan will be this:

"Guns don't kill people, CCW permit cards do".
04:16 PM on 01/20/2010
Seeing as the killings occured in a house, not in public, it's hard to see what the suspect's CCW permit had to do with the crime. Besides, someone who is willing to murder won't care about the laws on gun carrying either.

A CCW permit offers a criminal no advantages. It actually makes it harder for them since they have to give the police vital information to get one.
04:05 PM on 01/20/2010
"Two mass shootings in two years. Perhaps someone should ask Governor Bob McDonnell whether it's time to reconsider Virginia's lax concealed weapons law."

Right, because two people two years apart are representative of the hundreds of thousands of CCW holders in Virginia. What an absurdly stupid notion.

Does Josh also think we should re-examine the requirements for getting a driver's license after every DUI fatality?
03:16 PM on 01/20/2010
So what does having a CCW have to do with the shooting? Not a damn thing. The author is stretching for an angle here in my opinion. And let's look at the numbers. 12 people that were legally licensed in 3 years involved in illegal shootings...

In that same time frame, how many licensed drivers killed people with their vehicles? Seriously, a vehicle is just as dangerous as a car in the wrong hands. And that is proven everyday on American freeways where legally licensed drivers murder "innocent" people. See the idiocy in that? That idiocy applies to trying to make some connection with licensed to carry gun owners.

The bottom line is the same and will always be the same. Maybe if it's iterated enough you folks will start to get it. It's not the gun, it's the person. Period.

Bottom line, based on the number of people shot by licensed to carry gun owners in the past three years, you have a higher probability of being killed by a licensed driver. So your illogical fear needs to stop infringing on my LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL right to own and carry firearms. If you don't agree with the Constitution, you can alway immigrate to England. I hear they are gun free... of course I also hear their violent crime is on the rise and last year they were voted the most VIOLENT nation in the EU.
02:43 PM on 01/20/2010
He's also a military veteran, a security guard and a hunter. He used a high-powered rifle to shoot at the police copter. I live 1 mile away. I am also opposed to concealed weapons permits, but I think your logic is a little faulty. When I worked at the local newspaper, the woman next to me (originally from NJ) had a concealed gun in her purse all the time. She wrote ads & answered phones & sold bed linens on e-bay in her spare time. For myself, I can't think of anyone who needs a concealed weapon or an assault weapon, outside of law enforcement. However your point is perhaps simply that those drawn to violence are therefore drawn to guns, concealed or otherwise?
03:17 PM on 01/20/2010
Just because you don't believe in CCW doesn't mean you have the right to deny others the choice.
04:06 PM on 01/20/2010
If you think the that guns are so useless, then why don't you advocate disarming the police?
02:36 PM on 01/20/2010
How many police officers have murdered innocent people? How many Gangbangers or Thugs have murdered innocent people?
01:40 PM on 01/20/2010
Hmmm, one case involved a shooting inside ones home and the other, according to info available right now about shooting the helicopter, involved a rifle.

Neither case had anything to do with concealed carry.