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Why Martin Luther King's Son Doesn't Eat Meat

Posted: 08/07/11 07:20 PM ET

Location: Cape Town, South Africa

I asked her for directions (read: flirted) to Clifton Beach five days after unpacking my luggage: a muddied, yellow backpack.

Two months later, she's my girlfriend, and I'm the boy at her family's annual "braai," the word for barbecue in Afrikaans, the language of Dutch settlers in South Africa. Her Grandma was lounging in a chair, peacefully snoring on the porch. Enormous mugs of beer teetered in the hands of slightly tipsy people. A goofy German Shepherd was playing keep-away with my girlfriend's even goofier 7-year-old niece in the grass. And the "boom, boom" of Springbok Nude Girls, a popular South African band (seriously, that's their name) moved her aunt to put down the mug and dance.

And they had food. Sosaties (skewered meat), kebabs, "crayfish" or kreef in Afrikaans, marinated chicken, pork and lamb chops, steaks, what seemed like ten kinds of Boerewors (sausages) of different flavors and thickness, and five racks of something that looked vaguely like spareribs. A lot of meat. Maybe it's because I was raised on BBQ pork in Birmingham, AL, but it felt like, well, home.

And then I met Uncle Johan: "Do all those [insert euphemism for African-Americans] in America frustrate you?," he casually asked me. And everyone around us -- my girlfriend's dancing aunt, her sister, brother, and, disturbingly, my smiling girlfriend -- nodded... approvingly. "Na, all is good," I said. And then I guided the conversation back to those sausages on the grill. And the fun-filled braai rolled on past midnight.

I still regret my pathetic answer. Because to do nothing, is to do something.

The fairy tales of Apartheid, a system that smothered the values of many white South Africans, were entrenched in her family's story. Blacks are violent. Lazy. And filthy. This is common sense. Some segregation is necessary, otherwise we'll have "racial violence," my girlfriend once told me. It's normal. Her Grandma and pastor and teachers and friends and their families magnified the myth with more stories. And it's natural. Have you seen the new scientific study? Our brains are actually physically larger... Have you read our history? These are facts.

She was fed these absurdities since birth. And it sounds strange, and it's difficult to write, but: Were her perverse beliefs the result of a conscious choice? Wouldn't a choice imply the awareness of another approach? To her, Apartheid was like gravity -- it was an invisible and unquestioned truth. Bizarrely, she was raised inside the belly of a nation that made it easy for good people to support a system that was hostile to their deepest values.

And in that sense, she has some company. (Hint: look in the nearest mirror.)

Six years later, when I think of my first and only South African barbecue, I think about two things: Uncle Johan and all that meat. Today, in America, what often seems normal is nothing more than the stories all of us seem to accept -- without even thinking. Sound familiar?

And like my former girlfriend, and as equally bizarre, we're living inside a system that makes it easy for us to support practices that violate our most cherished values. We've been fed our own uniquely American absurdities. And we've been unconsciously digesting them since nursery school. Just ask your parents how many cases of Gerber Ham or Beef Gravy meals you slurped down as a baby? My Mom's answer: Laughter, and "a lot." Seriously, go ask them.

When we look at the sausages on the grill during our next family BBQ and see only dinner, we aren't really seeing reality anymore. We're seeing the fairy tales (red barns, straw hats, happy cows, and crowing roosters) we tell ourselves about where our food comes from. And when we casually ask, as I have many time before: "So, how long did you sear the meat?", the myth grows.

One minute inside one of the animal factories that produced those sausages or chicken patties, and yes, even that Gerber Ham Gravy meal would leave you shaken -- and sickened. And that is a big fact. And 99 percent of all animals eaten or used to produce milk or eggs suffer in this very American system of injustice. If you doubt whether you'd be revolted, you won't 10 seconds after you click here.

We might feel anger by the comparison implicit in invoking racism and animal protection. After all, Nelson Mandela didn't move the nation of South Africa to secure the rights of mother pigs or egg-laying chickens. Human oppression is wholly different, and maybe you're right. But we view the contributions of Mandela and Dr. Martin Luther King too narrowly if we assume that they cannot stand against all forms of injustice. And make no mistake, there's a reason King's wife, Coretta Scott King, and his son, Dexter, are committed vegetarians.

No jokes here; let's call this what it is: When we eat food from these animals factories we're magnifying another myth and trashing our values. Is this what we want? Or is there something we want even more? Because our life stories, whether stories of apathy or empathy, are being written with every meal.

And to do nothing, is to do something.

 

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Anjushri
Veganism = Ahimsa
07:25 AM on 08/16/2011
Torturing and murdering 56 billion other animals for our pleasure each year is morally unjustifia­ble. If you want to see what we participat­e in each year, I invite anyone who thinks we have the right to eat, wear and use animals to watch this free online documentar­y. http://www­.earthling­s.com

The only reason some don't get that nonhuman slavery and human slavery are comparable is because we believe that other animals are lesser. We mistakenly believe this because we have been indoctrina­ted to believe this. But the truth is, that sentience is all that matters as to whether other animals belong to the moral community. Speciesism = sexism = racism = classism and so forth are are forms of discrimina­tion. All cause violence. All "otherize" beings and make them an object of violence. If we truly believe in nonviolenc­e, then we need to incorporat­e nonviolenc­e into every aspect of our lives and that means we need to stop eating, wearing and using other animals. It's very simple. To deny that using animals is violence and is not problemati­c is just deluding ourselves. We cannot justify continuing this violence. We do not need animal products to be healthy. It's killing us and the environmen­t.

Go vegan. It's easy. It's better for us, for the planet, but most importantl­y, it's the morally right and just thing to do. http://www­.veganpamp­hlet.com
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Anjushri
Veganism = Ahimsa
07:08 AM on 08/16/2011
The most important reason to be vegan is because all other animals deserve at least one right - the right not to be used as property. Veganism is the step to taking that right seriously. But there are many other ancillary benefits of being vegan. Please view these resources.

"The Effects of Animal Agricultur­e" http://bit­.ly/cT620j
http://unpopularveganessays.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-environmental-disaster-of-animal.html
"On the Environmen­tal Benefits of Being Vegan" http://t.c­o/wuzzx2o
As We Soy, So Shall We Reap http://t.co/tteqOyJ
51% Greenhouse gases are from animal Use industries and its by-products http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6294

"We need not be silent about the environmen­tal benefits of veganism, but when we do address such benefits, we should imply or point out that, while great, they are very much incidental to the grave moral wrong of exploiting and unnecessar­ily breeding and killing the innocent." Dan Cudahy

Jeff Perz: GREEN MURDER: Eating Native Animals, Introduced Animals and Fishes
http://animalrightscommunity.com/abolitionists/post2716.html#p2716

If we were all vegan, only 5% of the land currently devoted to food production would be needed. http://bit.ly/hag8Bk
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jumbotron16
a slight improvement over jumbotron15
07:41 PM on 08/12/2011
To clear up MissouriFarmer's misconceptions regarding the Dust Bowl of the 1930s, I would also like to recommend that he or she read "The Worst Hard Time" by Timothy Egan.

The fragile topsoil in the region of the midwest where the Dust Bowl occurred had been held in place by native prairie grasses, grazed by large herds of buffalo, for millenia. People moved into the area and began raising cattle, which caused no great harm. Then they turned to growing crops, primarily wheat. For several years they were successful, as the rainfall totals were higher than normal..then the weather went into a different pattern with less rainfall. The repeated plowing and tilling of many thousands of acres of prairie, when combined with dry weather, caused disaster. The top soil was no longer held in place by the native plants, and wind storms lifted the lifeless soil into the air and obliterated everything for miles around. No crops would grow, and people survived (barely) on meat, milk and eggs from their livestock animals, who were able to forage on any remaining native plants...once the animals starved people had to leave the area or starve themselves.

The dust bowl was caused by human folly...by people not understanding the limitations of the land and the climate. Plowing the land to grow wheat was highly damaging to the fragile ecosystem. If they had stuck with raising cattle in that area, the dust bowl would never have happened.
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sabelmouse
i love to tumble , ask me why .
01:28 PM on 08/13/2011
it's really not hard to understand.
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02:09 PM on 08/13/2011
I know right? :)
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
03:57 AM on 08/12/2011
In a comment that I now can't find (maybe gone?), MissouriFaker - oops! MissouriFamer -- claimed that my statement that all agricultural land is NOT fungible was crazy. Perhaps, MF (and anyone else who thinks all ag land is fungible and crops can be grown anywhere) could learn something by looking at this (the chart can be enlarged):
http://learner.org/courses/envsci/unit/text.php?unit=7&secNum=2

The following documents about land classifications used in Australia and British Columbia are also instructive:

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/189697/ag-land-classification.pdf

http://www.alc.gov.bc.ca/alr/ag_cap_details.htm

All REAL farmers know this stuff which is why MF is a faker, not a farmer.
01:09 AM on 08/12/2011
I would just like to post a little bit honoring the man who taught MLK about non-violence, Bayard Rustin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayard_Rustin. Next year will be the hundredth anniversary of his birth in PA. He was a Black Quaker raised in a segregated town and he was a courageous and exceptional man. The fact that the vast majority of even very socially aware people in this country don't know who he was is one of the biggest tragedies of our history. Of course, the reason we don't know about him is because he was openly gay. He was relegated to behind the scenes work, but, I guess, thank goodness for all of us they let him have any influence at all.
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GODSWILLFIRST
Truth is always the strongest argument.~Sophocles
11:32 AM on 08/12/2011
Indeed, non-violence was his legacy. Martin Luther King was called "an extremist" by those who simply denied rights. They felt threatened.

From a Birmingham Jail, King wrote:

Was not Jesus an extremist for love: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice: “Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream”…was not Martin Luther an extremist: “Here I stand I can do no other, so help me God.”….And Abraham Lincoln: “This nation cannot survive half slave and half free.”….So the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice?…Perhaps the South, the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.

Source:

http://avoluptuousgod.com/heretics/?p=205
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
01:11 PM on 08/12/2011
I've never heard of him or read anything about his life. I just skimmed the wikipedia article on him and he seems a truly remarkable human being.

Thanks!
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
06:06 PM on 08/12/2011
I had never heard of him either. Here's a good article about him: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USArustin.htm His birthplace is close to my hometown.
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jumbotron16
a slight improvement over jumbotron15
07:11 PM on 08/12/2011
I wish I had a vegan badge for you! :)
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joshtetrick
12:15 AM on 08/12/2011
Amen, Dr. King: "One day the absurdity of the almost universal human belief in the slavery of other animals will be palpable. We shall then have discovered our souls and become worthier of sharing this planet with them." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:31 AM on 08/12/2011
How about providing a source for this quote.
01:30 AM on 08/12/2011
I found it all over veg sites, but not one single quote site.
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07:44 PM on 08/12/2011
Josh, I don't think even you believe that Dr. King ever said that...it does not pass the "sniff test" lol. I don't think people should be allowed to use fake quotes from famous people to support their positions in online discussions!
04:55 PM on 08/11/2011
As a third generation farmer, i am simply OUTRAGED by both the naivety and analysis bordering on quackery of elcerritan. To state that families had meat on the table post civil war, is preposterous. Is elcerritan aware of the Great Depression and the bread lines that followed. Opinions are opinions, but you cant manipulate facts. To imply grazing land cant support agriculture is simply absurb. How many crops have you planted, we are talking reality not fantasy.
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SusanElizabeth1949
My micro-bio may be empty but my head isn't.
05:17 PM on 08/11/2011
I don't know about Missouri, but in the West grazing land doesn't support crops due to both topography and lack of water. And I never heard of any shortage of meat from my Grandfather grew up on an Ohio apple farm in the 188s and 1890s. I have a letter from his gradfather, serving in the Union Army worrying about the low price of dried apples and wondering if his family (he joined up leaving a wife and 4 children behind) would buy flour salt and sugar, things they didn't raise themselves.
06:13 PM on 08/11/2011
Your Grandfather may have had plenty of meat in the 1890's but things were definitely different during the 1930's. Meat became a luxury item.
07:49 PM on 08/11/2011
You ought to be outraged by someone other than elcerritan. Most grazing land CAN'T support tillable crops, the whole world isn't like Missouri.
08:25 PM on 08/11/2011
Come to Missouri, it might ease your grumpiness
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sunshine saguaro
for you, a thousand times over
04:11 PM on 08/11/2011
As a budding sociologist who has studied race relations, racism, sexism, and all other systems of oppression throughout history up until present day, I can't even express how utterly disgusted and horrified I am that you would have the gall to compare eating meat to slavery. My heart breaks for the millions of people who suffer racism and bigotry every day, and then have their plight compared to that of a chicken in a cage. I abhor all forms of suffering and don't deny that animals on factory farms suffer. But their condition is incomparable to that of human beings in oppressive systems. To be told, day in and day out, that you are worthless, ugly, and less than because of a characteristic that you cannot help, to be beaten and tortured for your skin color or belief system or sexual orientation, and to be treated as property and forced to live and work in utterly soul-crushing conditions inflicts a mental anguish that is far beyond the capacity of animals to feel or understand. And that, Josh, is far worse than any factory farm. The spiritual suffering we inflict on our human brothers and sisters is a terrible crime. I'm disgusted by the way animals are treated on factory farms-which is why I don't support them-but I'm not deluded enough to think that what they endure is equal to or worse than slavery. Apparently, Josh, that's something you'll never understand, which is a damn shame.
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joshtetrick
06:14 PM on 08/11/2011
Sunshine - Your empathy for those who have been exploited (and continue to be) speaks to the kind of principled person you are. And your moral stance against factory farming, and the food choice that follow from that, speak to how those principles integrate with your life.

I'm sorry the comparison bothered you. Entrenched belief systems, as you know, have a lot in common. And whether racism or patriarchy or bigotry, we can see how they are formed by society, and then seek to make the invisible forces that create those systems visible to everyone.

To compare the elements common to each of them is not equating all forms of human suffering with all forms of animal suffering. Thanks for reading. - J
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Daughter of Pan
02:28 PM on 08/12/2011
Why would you even post an article that could be perceived as racially insensitive? Do you not realize that people of African descent have been considered as less than human and little more than livestock? Do you not understand that comparing factory farms to slavery and Jim Crow in America or apartheid in South Africa can be considered racist? And then you add insult to injury, referring to the son and the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. as if they agree with this notion that the oppression of black people is comparable to the treatment of chickens in CAFOs.
02:11 PM on 08/11/2011
I don't know about everyone else, but I feel so fortunate to have a great literary masterpiece like this to read and comment on in an open and truthful way.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
02:41 PM on 08/11/2011
LOL!
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joshtetrick
03:18 PM on 08/11/2011
Awarded your first vegan badge. - Josh
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:07 AM on 08/11/2011
How about boycotting those foods that still use slave labor?

"Jose Alberto Paniagua, 24, was born disabled and voiceless with a gaze permanently haunted by a look of terror. Jose's father and mother both worked at a plantation which used Nemagon. In the ’70s and ’80s, the banana companies Dole, Del Monte and Chiquita used a carcinogenic pesticide, Nemagon, to protect their crops in Nicaragua. Today, the men and women who worked on those plantations suffer from incurable illnesses. Their children are deformed. The companies feign innocence."
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2096/

"In June this year the democratically elected President of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, was forced into exile at gunpoint, leaving a coup regime in his place. He was not a politician of radical left leanings but a ‘moderate reformist’. Nevertheless, the reforms he implemented, such as raising the minimum wage, had some serious opposition, not least from Chiquita Brands International."
http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/CommentAnalysis/CorporateWatch/chiquita.aspx

"In recent weeks, a wrongful death lawsuit was filed against Dole Food Company on behalf of 73 people---survivors of murdered trade unionists and campesinos throughout the region of Dole's Magdalena banana plantations in northern Colombia."
http://intercontinentalcry.org/demand-a-full-investigation-of-dole-food-company/
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Daughter of Pan
12:25 AM on 08/11/2011
Continued...

"Dole Philippines Workers in Tough Fight as US Company Uses Military Force Vs Union"
http://bulatlat.com/main/tag/dole-philippines/

"At six in the morning, five children from 11 to 17 years old, huddle in a circle at one side of the Soyapa Farms packing shed. They flatten out and recycle the sheets of plastic which are inserted between banana bunches as they grow, to keep them apart. Children get 2 centavos for each sheet they save, making sometimes as much as 50 pesos a day "
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/philippines-banana-sub-contractors-for-dole-foods-hire-child-labor/

Not that we have to travel to the Philippines or Honduras to find slave labor. We can find it here in the USA.
"In the chilling words of Douglas Molloy, chief assistant United States attorney in Fort Myers, South Florida's tomato fields are "ground zero for modern-day slavery." Molloy is not talking about virtual slavery, or near slavery, or slaverylike conditions, but real slavery. In the last 15 years, Florida law enforcement officials have freed more than 1,000 men and women who had been held and forced to work against their will in the fields of Florida, and that represents only the tip of the iceberg. Most instances of slavery go unreported. Workers were "sold" to crew bosses to pay off bogus debts."
http://www.gilttaste.com/stories/572-Barry+Estabrook+Tomatoland
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Daughter of Pan
12:38 AM on 08/11/2011
All things considered, if Martin Luther King Jr. was alive today I don't think he'd be too concerned about the plight of cattle, chickens and pigs.
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GODSWILLFIRST
Truth is always the strongest argument.~Sophocles
01:39 AM on 08/11/2011
FaunaAndFlora,

Nothing should ever stop us from helping all those in need of protection - human or otherwise - esp. if we have the power to help. If you are personally involved in helping victims of slave labor and have petitions, I'll gladly sign them. I'm for human rights and animal rights. The point is, it's better to do something progressive, no matter how small, than nothing at all. In the long run, it favors everyone.

Quite frankly, Martin Luther King taught non-violence; the message was clear. He was a man of great integrity. If he were alive today, he would take the side of a victim every single time.

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin Luther King Jr.
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joshtetrick
01:48 AM on 08/11/2011
Kindess is not a zero-sum game, Fauna. We can fight for justice and eat w/awareness all at the same time.
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JohnCochtosten
06:36 PM on 08/10/2011
"It were much better that a sentient being should never have existed, than that it should have existed only to endure unmitigated misery." - Percy Bysshe Shelley
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joshtetrick
08:40 PM on 08/10/2011
Amen to that my friend. - J
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
01:07 AM on 08/11/2011
Do you think the animals at this place are leading lives of unmitigated misery?
http://clarksummitfarm.com/

How about these cows?
http://mcclellandsdairy.com/PhotoGallery.htm
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
11:19 PM on 08/10/2011
What about those that are NOT confined to factory farms?
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JohnCochtosten
11:47 PM on 08/10/2011
Considering Shelley passed away in the first part of the 19th century, I think he would be talking about those very animals.
09:57 PM on 08/11/2011
your distorted reasoning is a slap in the face to farmers everywhere
12:32 AM on 08/10/2011
I'm Vegan for the animals, my health, and the environment. This is a great article. I've been at least vegetarian for seven years and in my experience many people who eat meat don't know about many of the negative effects of meat. I do believe that people are becoming more aware, but many people would rather not know the truth. The meat and dairy industry are eminently worse on the environment than coal and oil (which aren't good either). Those who eat meat often aren't aware that the amount of land it takes to feed one meat eater can feed up to fourteen or more Vegans/Vegetarians. Animals are mass produced, abused, injected with hormones and chemicals, and don't live any life worth living. The devestation the meat industry has on the animals, environment, and the preventable diseases linked to eating meat need more observation. I personally believe that all oppression is linked. Slavery and murder by another species is still slavery and murder. Cows cry when they're being slaughtered and try to fight back. Actually I think most animals cry when they're being abused, tortured, and killed. Turkeys on factory farms can no longer reproduce on their own. Tubes have to be used to get sperm from male turkeys and the female Turkeys are sexually inseminated. As a Feminist I will say that this is as much of a Feminist Issue as fighting for equality among genders.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
01:10 AM on 08/10/2011
You are so woefully ill-informed I don't know where to begin. Let me limit myself to just a couple of points. First, your observation that the amount of land it takes to feed one meat eater can feed up to fourteen or more Vegans/Veg­etarians reflects a profound ignorance of agriculture. Are you not aware that some land (in fact MOST of the ag land in the U.S. as well in the world at large) is actually unsuitable for growing crops of any kind and can ONLY be used for grazing? So if that land weren't used for grazing it certainly wouldn't be supporting fourteen vegans/vegetarains - or even one. Regardless of what your veg*n propaganda websites tell you, all agricultural land is NOT fungible, and the fact that you don't know that means you are hardly in any position to talk patronizingly about what "many people who eat meat don't know." And "Turkeys are sexually inseminate­d"? Um ... what? The fact that you view artificial insemination of farm animals as a feminist issue is an insult to feminists everywhere. It's really on a par with Josh's comparing meat-eating with racism. You two seem to be on the same wavelength (but if I were you, I wouldn't brag about that).

All animal agriculture is NOT factory farming, and all animals raised for food are NOT tortured and abused. Capice?
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joshtetrick
05:36 AM on 08/10/2011
The primary feed crop for animal agriculture is corn, both in the US and globally. Take that land, cultivate it w/edible high-quality veg and we're all a bit better off.
11:51 AM on 08/11/2011
The animals that people consume, in order to grow as expediantly as they do, must first consume a lot vegetables. Animals in factory farms unfortunately don't really have the opportunity to graze. The reason it takes so much land to feed meat eaters is because of all the land it takes to hold the animals and the food that is grown for the animals to consume (often animals are forced to eat more than they naturally would eat). I got this information from many books on environmentalism, from college classes on environmental engineering, and on intense research. If you'd like a list of references I can offer you tons--most of which aren't even from veg books. In the future it is best not to assume that people simply google things without doing further research. I'm personally too fascinated with logic, reasoning, and science to claim truths without indubitable evidence. The assumption that you make about me not knowing about land not always being fungible is a bit drastic. I grew up spending my time gardening and know that not all land is suitable for crops.
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joshtetrick
05:33 AM on 08/10/2011
Whitney - I really appreciate your heart -- and your truth. Thanks so much for taking the time to read, and comment. - Josh
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Daughter of Pan
12:23 AM on 08/10/2011
Wow... I'm stunned. This is so wrong.
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joshtetrick
01:16 PM on 08/10/2011
Stunned. Outraged. Horrified. This discussion can get pretty dramatic, huh?
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
02:57 PM on 08/10/2011
Your standard M.O. is to write emotionally manipulative articles and you're surprised that people react emotionally? So disingenuous.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
02:58 PM on 08/10/2011
Wasn't that your INTENTION when you wrote the article?
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
05:19 PM on 08/11/2011
I agree. The topic is an important and sensitive one, and it is here presented in a fairly inflammatory and insensitive way.
11:43 PM on 08/09/2011
Wow. This is such a timely and thought provoking article, I can't believe you don't also have it posted over in HP's new Black Voices section.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
01:10 AM on 08/10/2011
Heh.
01:25 AM on 08/10/2011
Now that is funny klbrz :)
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Karl Wilder
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05:41 PM on 08/09/2011
For many of us it is a thinking belief system. Many of us have thought about meat and whether or not we want to eat it. We know and consider where it comes from and with full knowledge and thought choose to eat it. To assume an unthinking belief system is quite wrong. I eat some meat, I do not eat factory farmed meat. I eat meat from farmers I know. And no it is 'not a start' it is a thoughtful choice. My primary meat source is often anchovies and I am okay with those anchovies dying for me.
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joshtetrick
05:41 AM on 08/10/2011
The vast majority of Americans don't know mother pigs (90+ percent of them) live their lives in crates so small that they can't turn out. Most Americans don't know the majority of eggs they purchase from the grocery store were laid by 7-10 hens packed body-to-body in a cage... that they'll never feel the sun, or feel the soil. Americans have a strong set of values. Values of integrity and compassion. - J
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
12:03 PM on 08/10/2011
Why don't you focus on eliminating factory farms, then, instead of demonizing ALL animal agriculture?
03:35 PM on 08/10/2011
Gestation crates have actually been outlawed in a number of states. You might want to get a little more current on your stats. Of course gestation crates are bad, and no sane person likes to see an animal kept in conditions like that, but your arguments against factory farming would be more persuasive if you didn't resort to exaggerations.
03:52 AM on 08/12/2011
Finally,an intelligent person!! I love that you have thought about things. Thinking about how things really are and educated yourself does not mean that you must then turn 100% vegan. Just by being conscious of what you eat,finding the lowest impact to the environment,at the very least,and recognizing where you food actually comes from is the #1 thing missing from the Western way of living. Most people would rather just keep their head in the sand than think. Even as a vegan,I applaud you for making your choices and caring enough to think things through. Even when the outcome is to still eat meat-you're light-years ahead of most. I'm not preaching for people to stop eating animals,just asking to think about what you're eating and to care.
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
12:23 PM on 08/12/2011
You appear to hold the charming and utterly unsubstantiated notion that eating vegan is always more environmentally friendly than eating meat. There may well be vegan diets that are more environmentally friendly than omnivorous or even carnivorous diets, but making simplistic assumptions about environmental impact is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Modern monocrop agriculture takes as its starting point that the grower should essentially obliterate all life that currently exists in the area in order to use that entire ecosystem's resources for whatever privileged crop the grower is growing.* Pasturing does not require first annihilating the existing ecosystem before it can begin. So if I eat only pastured animals and you eat only monocropped vegetables, it's fairly likely that your diet results in more animal deaths and environmental destruction than mine does.

*Edited last sentence to make it clearer, then added following.