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Is Pamela Geller Starting Judaism's Westboro Baptist Church? (VIDEO)

Posted: 03/04/11 11:12 AM ET

I always felt so badly for my Southern and American Baptist friends. They always looked so sheepish when we talked about the Westboro Baptist Church. Could it truly be that "Baptists" started a church which claimed "God Hates Fags" and protested at the funerals of American soldiers?

Today is my day to feel sheepish as an otherwise proud American Jew. I am not only embarrassed but outraged and outright humiliated that people calling themselves Jews would in any way be associated with -- much less co-sponsor -- such hurtful protests against a fundraiser being held by a Muslim community organization in California. The protesters, as depicted on video, chanted "go home," "why don't you go home and beat your wife" and "Muhammad was a pervert." Astoundingly, Jews -- and even a rabbi -- took part in protesting the gathering and were among the other, religiously diverse, voices of hate.

WATCH:

According to the Islamic Circle of North America, whose event fell victim to these outrageous voices of hate, Rabbi David Eliezrie of Chabad Yorba Linda and Pamela Geller, head of the infamous group "Stop the Islamization of America" were among those co-sponsoring the event.

While Rabbi David Eliezrie provides a different rendition of his involvement in the protests, Pamela Geller does not. In fact, it seems that she is working to build her career on the notion that Muslims are dangerous terrorists, singling them out much the way the Westboro Baptist Church blames gays for all of America's woes. Both unoriginal and unpersuasive, this view has landed her prime-time television spots and fame in a way that casts doubt on the wellbeing of American society.

Somehow, someway, she manages to relate her views to Judaism.

Take, for example, her interview last September with the New York Jewish Week in which she compares Islam and Judaism:

"It's not like Judaism, where you have these different levels of observance," Geller said. "Islam is Islam. ... There's no way you can be a devout Muslim and not support jihad."

Like the leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church, she calls out in a faux prophetic voice, warning others of the impending doom of America -- in this case due to the presence of Muslims rather than gays.

Geller also shrouds her Manichean worldview in religious terms and relates events in America and the Middle East in implausible ways. Among other claims (which she relates to Muslims) she suggests that there are no settlers in the West Bank ("Judea" and "Samaria") so much as Jews living on Jewish land. How she gets from "Islamization" of America to events in the West Bank, I do not know. Yet she makes the connection explicit and then harangues anyone who disagrees.

I love Israel -- I consider myself a Zionist -- but the West Bank is not a part of the state that I love. Yet, according to Pamela Geller, I would probably just be considered another "Kapo," as she already said of J Street and the National Jewish Democratic Council -- an analogy that would equate me to a Jewish accessory to the Nazis. Come protest my synagogue, Ms. Geller. (Or rather, stop protesting altogether!)

While Geller may not have the training to become a rabbi, she is creating an edifice of hate all unto her own and building a congregation of hate-filled followers online and in person. Not all, or even most of her followers are Jewish, but her motivations for creating the congregation may be inexplicably related to her religious affiliation. A prime mover in this fall's controversy over the "Ground Zero Mosque," which managed to spark venomous debates over the Park51 community center -- and its menacing plans for a gym, dining facility, prayer space and recreation area -- she is a Jewish voice for hate who, worse still, actively identifies her sense of urgency with her Jewish roots.

Muslim-Americans are overwhelmingly honest, hard-working, loving people and proud Americans: doctors, lawyers, taxi drivers, teachers, friends, family members, people we know and spend time with. But to Machiavellians with political agendas (sadly including those Jews who have not risen above the fray, as their religion would command), they are convenient targets for diatribes and campaigns.

We saw this happen in the unfounded debates over the use of private property in Lower Manhattan and the absurdly labeled "Ground Zero Mosque" (as though private property were up for debate -- this is America!).

We continue to see this happen as people falsely claim that Barack Obama is Muslim (and act as though it would be the end of the world if he were!).

We see this happen in Congressional hearings dedicated to investigating the supposed "radicalization" of Muslims, singling them out and setting them up for haranguing in the media.

This we see. But what I cannot see is why any of my coreligionists are joining in any numbers with the chorus of hate.

We, as Jews, comprise a religious community that knows what it is like to be on the outs, hated as new immigrants, hated for our religion. We are a community that loves equality and fairness -- one that marched with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and sent so many young people on Freedom Rides to desegregate interstate transportation that Greyhound Buses began to look like Jewish summer camps.

We are a community whose rabbinic sages have attributed the destruction of our two sacred Temples in Jerusalem to sinat chinam (acts of senseless hatred) within our community, and we know what it feels like to have our sanctuaries around the world burnt to the ground in the sinat chinam of others.

I can only pray that Pamela Geller's hatred, so egregiously carried out in association with the name of my religion, is recognized for the blasphemy that it is -- and do everything in my power to organize fellow Jews against her vitriol. Pamela Geller is a voice of hate who does not merit in any capacity use of the good name of Judaism. The institution she may seek to build is an embarrassment to the tradition she claims to be her own.

 

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I always felt so badly for my Southern and American Baptist friends. They always looked so sheepish when we talked about the Westboro Baptist Church. Could it truly be that "Baptists" started a church...
I always felt so badly for my Southern and American Baptist friends. They always looked so sheepish when we talked about the Westboro Baptist Church. Could it truly be that "Baptists" started a church...
 
 
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iam7545 r
01:56 AM on 03/13/2011
I am not sure I understand why you use Geller as any type of representative of Judaism. SHe is a secular Jew at best and just because she has a deep New YAWWWK accent that doesnt give her any real Jewish cred.

Additionally - if you were such a leraned Jew you would know that this article is a perfect example of Lashon Hara and makes it obvious why Jews are commanded to not participate in it.
12:06 PM on 03/08/2011
I am a Muslim and we are normally told that "zionist" is a dirty word. I just read this article and by God's grace, read words from a zionist, who I will now respect for the rest of my life.
02:57 PM on 03/08/2011
where in the koran does it state that zionist is a dirty word?

and if the author believes that the west bank is not a part of historical israel...he aint no zionist
02:56 AM on 03/09/2011
Because the Palestinians are Muslims, we are hurt when their homes are bulldozed and their land is stolen. We say we do not hate all jews, but we do not agree with "zionism..." I am paraphrasing...

Mr. Stanton says "I love Israel - I consider myself a zionist." I take his written and published words over yours. I think he may just know who he is, better than you do
10:41 PM on 03/07/2011
Is Pamela Geller a religious Jew in any sense of the word?
01:46 PM on 03/07/2011
i would suggest that readers of this piece go to youtube and type in malik ali, one of the invited speakers to the icna event.

this was the person the protest was organized against.

and please ask the following question....why would an event that is purported to be raising funds for homeless and womens shelters, invite such a hateful man to speak in front of them?

why did not one person who has commented on this event, thought to contact the rabbi before making judgements on what the protest was about?

and geller did not organize the event...
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Dorian Kunkel
11:41 AM on 03/07/2011
In my synagogue, whenever I hear anyone make comments about other races or religions, I tell them to say the sentence again and substitute the word Jew in there. At first they look at me like I'm nuts but then I remind them that everything they are saying has been said about us and they should be more aware.
I don't know how much difference I'm making, but at least I'm trying to remind them of where we stand in the world.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:23 PM on 03/08/2011
Fanned and faved! Well-said.
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iam7545 r
01:58 AM on 03/13/2011
Why? It is Muslims that outwardly preach the destruction of Israel and all Jews.

Would you fight and die for being a Jew?
06:57 AM on 03/07/2011
My apologies, I should have said "sponsor" rather than "endorse".

She clearly endorsed and promoted the protest on her blog, even if she did not "sponsor" it in the commercial sense.
06:53 AM on 03/07/2011
Geller may claim she didn't "endorse" the protests; but, she certainly promoted them. Readers can decide for themselves:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/02/action-alert-protest-islamic-terrorist-activists-speaking-isna-hatefest-in-yorba-linda.html
02:34 PM on 03/06/2011
I was born in Yorba Linda and moved to North Carolina when I was four. It's so incredibly surreal to see video of such hatred in my hometown; I can't imagine how I would have felt (being Muslim) if I were still living there. Even watching the video made my sister cry.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:25 PM on 03/08/2011
It's disgusting and unAmerican. I do not understand why hate has to be a big part of so many people's belief system. It really saddened me to see this. Fanned and faved.
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Joshua Stanton
02:00 PM on 03/06/2011
Pamela Geller provides her response to this article.

There is a CAIR propaganda video being circulated among the jihadi blogs and their knave enablers. Half a million views since yesterday. The Puff Ho is only too happy to pimp these lies by a Jewish "writer" (of course!) doing the dirty work of the Islamic supremacists. These Jewicidal traitors are a plague on our people. Khaybar, Khaybar ya yahud.......

In the opening of the video it says Pamela Geller was a sponsor of the protest -- I was no such thing. Yes, I ran it on my blog and supported a protest against terrorist sympathizers, but that video was cut to highlight bad behavior, which I don't encourage; nor do you see at my rallies. It is also important to remember that ICNA is not a benign charitable organization, but an Islamic supremacist group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. It explicitly calls for Sharia rule, which institutionalizes oppression of women and non-Muslims and denies the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience. This does not excuse people behaving obnoxiously toward ICNA members, but ICNA itself stands for a far greater repression and denial of human rights than that which is represented by a few insulting remarks....

For more, read: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/03/cair-video-islamic-supremacists-lies-and-the-leftists-who-carry-their-water.html
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Gonzo36
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03:33 PM on 03/06/2011
Joshua- obviously that woman is full of hate and vitriol. But how can you label this protest as 'Jewish'? The Chabad Rabbi explained the video wasnt of the same protest as the one he spoke at, and now Pamela is also saying she wasnt involved in this as well. It seems to me you took the 'word' of a propaganda video and didnt dig into the 'truth' of anyone involved. Is it disgusting that those people are shouting horrible things at the Muslim people just trying to go about their business. But it is also false to label these people as 'Jewish' or any other religious group without some better 'facts' to back up your assessment.
01:35 PM on 03/07/2011
geller was not only not an organizer of the protest, she has no clue what it was about

the protest was organized against the two speakers the icna had invited to the event.
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Eric Mann
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01:28 PM on 03/06/2011
These people are shandas for the goyim! I would call on all socially progressive Jews to denounce them as being anti-representative of the Jewish ideal.
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Gonzo36
Pro-awesome!
12:14 PM on 03/06/2011
Wait. Im confused. I watched the full video, and I didnt see one yarmulke, one star of David, one black hat, or any other 'Jewish' symbol. So what exactly made this a 'Jewish' protest?
02:58 PM on 03/06/2011
are you saying that only jews with yarmulkes are real jews? that's astoundingly small minded.
jews are jews in a variety of different appearances, so don't limit who they can be.
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Gonzo36
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03:28 PM on 03/06/2011
Really? Thats what you got out of my statement?

The author states this is a Jewish protest, and yet there is nothing Jewish about it. He could have just as easily called it a 'Republican' protest, due to the fact at least three of the people on the video are labeled 'Republican' or a 'white' protest due to the fact most of the people I saw protesting were white. But he didnt. He called it a Jewish protest and as far as I can tell, there is nothing that defines these people as 'Jewish'.
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Talab
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11:24 AM on 03/06/2011
Would this be the square in front of the Westboro Synagogue in Jeruselem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgkit0gLgAU
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Ioan Lightoller
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06:28 PM on 03/08/2011
F&F Don't give Geller any ideas! She and the proprietor of the "Bare Naked Islam" website can come up with more than enough hate and narrow-mindedness all by themselves.
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RockyMissouri
'You must be carefully taught to hate'...
11:17 AM on 03/06/2011
Geller is as much a terrorist as any, and harms us all by her hatespeech. She brings negative attention to herself and does not progress our dialogue with one another.
12:56 PM on 03/07/2011
Hyperbole. Terrorism is the commission of an illegal, violent act in order to cause terror.
05:10 PM on 03/05/2011
If this article is any indication of Mr. Stanton's ability to conduct dialogue, interfaith or otherwise, he is definitely in need of some instruction to say the least.

In the first place he appears satisfied to accept false claims about people based on statements by their opponents. "According to the Islamic Circle of North America, whose event fell victim to these outrageous voices of hate, Rabbi David Eliezrie of Chabad Yorba Linda and Pamela Geller, head of the infamous group "Stop the Islamization of America" were among those co-sponsoring the event."

Besides being too irresponsible to check his facts, Mr. Stanton falsely attacks Ms. Geller's character as well that of her readers. I've been reading her blog, Atlasshrugs.com, since 7/10 and I do not hate all Muslims or suspect them all of being terrorists. What I have learned is that Islam is more than a religion, it has a political agenda, and pious Muslims are required to perform jihad, both internal and external. Jihad is why we were attacked on 9-11. Islam is not the same as Judaism or Christianity and it is very wise to become more informed about Sharia and what Islam really teaches.

Geller does not represent all Jews, she is not a hater; she is a lover and defender of freedom of speech and human rights, the US, its Constitution, and also the State of Israel.
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01:46 AM on 03/06/2011
laughable....

the vast majority of Muslim's I've met, from Arabs to blacks, are
actually quite modest and moderate.....I think the jihad claim
can be taken in several ways, it obviously is not
something the average Muslim is interested in,
just as most of us can not or will not follow
every detail of our religions.....

Speaking of Judaism, please explain how it
not only justifies those early days when it's
people attacked Peaceful villages and not
just pushed them out, but killed all of them,
EVEN children.....and this supposedly
was ok'd by a rational God....?????
If I misunderstood, please enlighten us.

At least Christianity does not have ANY violence
in it's teachings.....as flawed as many Christians are
in going against that obviously.

And obviously many in the anti-Muslim crowd are
extremely hateful ......Fox nuts for sure !
hfpf
Wake up World.
03:09 AM on 03/06/2011
What?????

At least Christiani­ty does not have ANY violence
in it's teachings.­....as flawed as many Christians are
in going against that obviously.

You obviously skipped over the chapter on the CRUSADES in your high school history book.
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Talab
I tot i taw a putty tat
10:49 AM on 03/06/2011
Lets see the crusades , the hundred years war in europe , the spanish inquisition and the invasion of North and South America from europe (Looking for religous freedom ?....RIGHT)
02:31 PM on 03/06/2011
hahahaha.... Maybe you should ask an actual Muslim about Islam. Strangely, I have a feeling they could do a better job telling you about what their own beliefs are.

Geller's blog is propoganda, nothing more. EVERY one of her blog postings is baseless, full of dozens of fallacies and misconceptions about Muslim beliefs, and full of hatred.
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MajorKong
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02:47 PM on 03/05/2011
"It's not like Judaism, where you have these different levels of observance"

I guess all the Turks I drank beer with over in Incirlik never got that memo.