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Joshua Stanton

Joshua Stanton

The Religious Must Stand Up for Atheists

Posted: 01/24/11 03:55 PM ET

The interfaith movement is beginning to rack up successes. While outbursts of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia (among other expressions of prejudice against religious communities) are nothing new, the growing and remarkably diverse chorus of voices trying to drown bigots out certainly is.

To take but one recent example, when the Park51 Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan was subjected to undue criticism this past summer, the groups that gathered behind closed doors to support its besmirched but beloved leaders included atheists, Jews, Christians, Muslims and more. It was heartening -- as were the rallies led by Religious Freedom USA and New York Neighbors for American Values, which drew thousands to the streets to support the rights of all religious communities to assemble on private property. You could feel the interfaith movement surging forward on its remarkable course.

But I am uncertain, if not outright skeptical, that members of the interfaith movement would equally protect non-religious communities that come under similar scrutiny. To take a personal (and rather confessional) example, when a friend was excluded from an interfaith peace-building initiative because of being non-religious, people told him they were sorry. But nobody refused to continue participating in the group. It just didn't seem like a reason to protest the decision or leave the group altogether.

I am among those guilty of not speaking up -- cowed by diffusion of responsibility and the glow of opportunity that the group provided. I am certain, based on the numerous stories my humanist and atheist friends have told me, that this was not an isolated occurrence, nor an unusually cowardly reaction on my part. Yet it is something for which I am still performing teshuvah -- answering as a Jew and human being for wrongdoing to my friend, in this case through wrongful inaction.

Why is it that when someone criticizes or excludes atheists, it feels like the interfaith movement forgets its identity, if only for a split second? Why is it that well-meaning interfaith leaders defy their identities and fail to speak out against those who threaten or undermine the status of the non-religious? Individually, we may comfort our friends, but by and large we are not sticking our necks out, writing op-eds, holding protests and publicly condemning those who single out the non-religious.

In part, I would suggest that members of the interfaith movement have not yet developed reflexes for protecting the non-religious. There is somewhat less of a history of hatred for atheists in the West (and even less education about the hatred that has been made manifest), so it does not always register in our minds when someone speaks ill of atheists in a way that it would if someone spoke similarly about people of a particular religious group.

But guilt for the repeated historical failure of Western countries to protect religious minorities is hardly an excuse for inaction in the present to protect the non-religious. It is time that we, most especially in the interfaith movement, recognize, denounce and speak out against anti-atheist bigotry.

Admittedly, many religious individuals feel intellectually and theologically challenged by atheists. But this challenge is one we must greet and learn from, rather than respond to with aggression, passive and active alike. If God is truly powerful, non-believers can hardly break our belief, much less the Divine we believe in. If God is loving, then why should we hate -- or ignore hatred directed towards others? If God is a Creator, how can we allow others to speak ill of the atheists and non-believers God gave life to? Non-belief is a reality for hundreds of millions of people around the world, and the religious can hardly condemn atheists without running into contradictions rendered by their faith.

If religious affiliation is a protected category in our laws, our minds and our actions, so too must non-affiliation and atheism. The interfaith movement must lead the way, and so too must its believing members. They -- we -- cannot allow this double-standard to persist.

 

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ZachsMind
head in clouds heart on sleeve foot in mouth
03:44 PM on 02/14/2011
To those who claim to be "spiritual but not religious" I put to you the same questions. Where's your evidence? Can you prove whatever it is you do believe? Or do you keep it vague simply to avoid having to prove your outrageous claim that spirituality does exist? Do you wish to allow for the outside possibility that there might be something more to reality than what we see, and that deep down you FEEL you know what that something is? Cuz you don't. Not any more than any of the rest of us. So quit moving the goal posts. There's no soul. There's no magic. There's no spirituality.
Accept reality on ITS terms, cuz I CAN guarantee you, reality will NOT accept yours.
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StevieRayB
Occupy the Future
07:31 PM on 01/26/2011
I completely understand what you are saying and agree. In fact, just last night in the SOTU by Pres Obama, he stated the following: "Our troops come from every corner of this country — they're black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American. They are Christian and Hindu, Jewish and Muslim. And, yes, we know that some of them are gay."

Alas, he failed to mention that there are also "atheists."

Our country really does need to recognize that the "non-affiliated" are also an important group of people in this country. I'm guessing that there are more atheist citizens in this country than Hindu.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
02:03 AM on 01/28/2011
Yes, I believe that non-affiliated, including spiritual but not religious are > 16%, which is actually more than mormons, jews, and all the other non-christian religions combined.
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michelesda
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03:25 PM on 01/26/2011
Sorry, but this makes no sense. I am not at all sure that atheists need the religious or anybody else to stand up for them. I am even less sure why an atheist would want to go to an interfaith conference, and less sure still whether an atheist would belong there, much less be welcome there.
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DAE
01:34 AM on 01/29/2011
As an atheist I engage in many peace initiatives that involve religionists. Never had a problem and I enter such coalitions as an activist humanist. If I was ever challenged about my disbelief I would not slink away cowered and defeated but challenge the sincerity of those who refused to work with me and other like-minded people towards our mutual goals.
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michelesda
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02:22 AM on 01/29/2011
Sounds well-intended; I hope nothing I said was offensive.
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raker
07:58 PM on 01/25/2011
Kind sentiments are always heartening to read, but I don't get it. Atheists are not a religious minority. I know that to religious people it's practically an article of faith that atheism is a religion, but it is not. Atheism is a lack of belief in god, and presumably, a refraining from participatioin in religious rituals. Bravo for standing up for kindness to all people regardless of their religious beliefs, but let's be clear: atheism is not a religion.
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rolodex
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01:52 AM on 01/26/2011
In the view of the courts, relative to questions of religion (i.e. freedom of religion) atheism is considered a legitimate position, and thus has equal legal protection as if it were a religion.
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raker
08:38 AM on 01/26/2011
Yes, atheism is a position but it is not a religion. And obviously, it is immoral and unethical and should be illegal if it's not to discriminate against someone for lacking religious faith.
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Samir Selmanovic
04:47 PM on 01/25/2011
Josh,

Thank you for reminding us of the roots of our faiths. There is nothing to fear.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
03:09 PM on 01/25/2011
My problem is the opposite. I can't get the blasted Christians to stop trying to include me. The missionaries and witnesses are constantly showing up at the door. Someone is always praying for me even when I tell them to stop. My sister -in - law wants me to go to church at the family reunion. The last time I went with her, she slept while I had a panic attack. I told her I am not going to any stinking church but she just cannot accept the fact that I am a pagan. Is there some kind of repellant I can get like mosquito repellant?
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
04:57 PM on 01/25/2011
Honestly, just grow up. How does it harm you when people pray for you? It doesn't. Why can't you just tell your sister-in-law "no"? You can and you should if you feel that strongly about it. When missionaries show up on your doorstep, repeat after me, "I am not interested, thank you. Goodbye." Then close the door. I say this as a Christian, because I don't think that religious faith is something that can be forced on anyone. So find a source of courage within your own beliefs and stand up for yourself.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
06:09 PM on 01/25/2011
Nice judgmental sermon. Reminds me of why I don't go to church. I didn't say praying hurt me, I just find it insulting. Funny someone named dancing stu telling a 69 year old who has been married 47 years with two daughters and grandkids to grow up. LOL
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Dan Jighter
06:34 PM on 01/25/2011
I think you as a Christian have no idea what it is like as a non-Christian (atheist, agnostic, pagan, and others) to have a friend or relative ask you to go to church. You are simultaneously practicing your religious view while telling good people that you won't hang out with them. I've been in that situation on self ocassions and I always feel awful about it, like why didn't I just say yes and keep my mouth shut. No ill-will to those people, they meant well and they understood to only ask once. I also don't think you understand what it is like for someone to repeatedly as you to come to church as if they don't get that you are a non-Christian. I am sure Whirlpool has told his sister no repeatedly and she just doesn't get it.

With the missionaries, they shouldn't even come to my house and interrupt my dinner to begin with.

It isn't a matter of "just grow up". It is a matter of common courtesy of religious people to understand that not everyone shares their beliefs and to respect people accordingly. We shouldn't be asked to come to church (though if we get asked once, I'd let it go) and we shouldn't be bothered by missionaries.

The fact that you would respond to this by "just grow up" is intolerant. Really, you don't get it.
01:13 PM on 01/25/2011
Deists and Atheist need to > about the issue of Darwinian Evolution. Darwinism was a foundational doctrine of the Third Reich. Darwinism does explain micro-evolution, yet has no power to explain macro-evolution (species origin). Also the work "Decent of Man"" is an explicitly racist manifesto has Atheists have yet to renounce enmass. The quantum physicist Amit Goswami makes the convincing scientific case for Creative Evolution unifies Deism and evidence based science. The Deist community no longer need to fear the science of evolution because it, in fact, makes the case for DEOS' guidance of life on the planet. Even the "Human Chromosome #4 Fusion" fact that materialists so often cite is clearly explained by the quantum mechanics of creative evolution.

One the flip side, believers need to acknowledge the inherent incompatibility of theocracy and democracy. As explained by philosopher John Searle; when the law is based on religious doctrine, any criticism or opposition to Government becomes blasphemy. Thus a totalitarian dictatorship inevitably results. Thus we witnessed the Third Reich and Soviet Union. Only the our doctrine of > will keep up from suffering a similar fate.
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Dan Jighter
06:24 PM on 01/25/2011
Let's get clear that atheism is different from evolution. The "Decent of Man" was a book on biology, not a book on atheism. Thus atheists don't have to apologize for the "Decent of Man".

Evolution is just a scientific theory, not a political manifesto. The Third Reich was not based on science but on a misunderstand of science as some twisted, sick version of evolution. Moreover, if the Third Reich had been based on science, that would not invalidate the veracity of the science. Science is to be judged only on the evidence, not on the possibility that it may be unpleasant.

Regardless, evolution (including so-called macro-evolution) is back up by a large body of evidence. Please read Jerry Coyne's or Richard Dawkins' books outlining and explaining some of this evidence. Please go to a natural history museum (I personally have and the evidence is astounding).
12:54 PM on 01/25/2011
It'll NEVER happen. For proof all you need do is look at the commotion that an atheist bus ad caused in Texas. The religious immediately took offense - as though THEY had personally been targeted. They bitched, moaned, and generally acted like the children they are.

Keep up the good, though.

Peace
Chris
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rolodex
Now my micro-bio is not empty.
02:02 AM on 01/26/2011
The commotion that the religious caused over the bus ads was great. It raised the awareness of the bus ads tremendously and resulted it the desired message getting noticed by many more atheists than would otherwise have just seen them on the buses alone.

The whole point of the ads was to let other atheists in the area know that they are not alone and that there are many organized groups of like minded people in the area, and to help them get connected.

Thanks for the extra publicity.
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w84it
12:11 PM on 01/25/2011
I think there are a couple of things happening here. First, many religionists dismiss and exclude atheists, agnostics and non-believers. In their eyes, we are simply not part of the discussion or solution. Second, with the rising Humanist movement, I do believe there is some fear that atheists could openly suggest and implement real solutions to problematic social issues. If Humanist atheists and agnostics can solve social crisis like hunger, poverty or war...their movement will have value and meaning. To many religionists, that is a very worrisome prospect.

Atheists, agnostics and non-religious want to be a part of the discussion, part of the plan and part of the solution.
03:43 PM on 01/25/2011
Here, here!
09:58 AM on 01/25/2011
Excellent piece, and I thank you for writing it.
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
09:18 AM on 01/25/2011
As an atheist, I want to thank you for speaking out. I think a lot of people in the inter-faith movement are afraid that their ideas (beliefs) cannot hold up in the marketplace of ideas. Instead of revising their ideas, coming up with better ideas, and abandoning bad ideas, they choose to isolate humanists/atheists from the marketplace. The can't compete and they know it.
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Weirdo
"It's a Wall Street government"
10:05 AM on 01/25/2011
I think that's right. Atheists give voice to the doubts that lurk in all believers. It makes them very uncomfortable, for a variety of reasons. I think they see atheists as having the courage they don't have to face the doubts and inconsistencies and to admit religion's shortcomings. Then they see atheists living decent, meaningful lives and raising decent, happy kids, and a blow is struck against the false assertion that religion is required for these things. Atheists also don't have to live with the cognitive dissonance of thinking religion is a force for good in the world, but having ample reason to believe that religion is responsible for innumerable horrors. An atheist can do good in the world, without having to subscribe to, say, the hideous Catholic church.
07:17 AM on 01/25/2011
"If God is a Creator, how can we allow others to speak ill of the atheists and non-believers God gave life to?"

Who you assume the fairy godfather gave life to!

So, non-believers, all of a sudden, need someone to stick up for them? Why? Could it be that the author, and many others, feel that it is their duty, in some way, to protect us! Laughable!
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Dan Jighter
04:19 AM on 01/25/2011
The vibe I get from this article is that the interfaith community seems rather insulated, like its in its own bubble. Apparently successes include interfaith meetings behind closed doors. To be fair, interfaith groups have also rallied on the Islamophobia in Lower Manhattan. But then again others have protested too and there is still a lot of Islamophobia, on the Lower Mahattan issue and elsewhere. Also, apparently the great intolerance against atheists is an atheist being excluded from an interfaith group (not that this itself isn't a serious matter).

My point is, this has to do with more than just the interfaith movement. Truly standing up for atheists includes visible activism on church-state separation. There should be rallies over "under God" in the Pledge and the Illinois Silent School Prayer. It should include publicly standing up for atheists when they get bashed for a billboard saying "Good without God? Join the club." The article didn't mention any serious activism along these lines.
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dancingstu
Christian, liberal lawyer
05:04 PM on 01/25/2011
The article didn't need to mention activism along those lines. Do your own homework, friend, and you'll find it.
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Dan Jighter
06:15 PM on 01/25/2011
Why should I have to do homework to find out all the wonderful things the interfaith movement is doing? If the interfaith movement is such a success, I should know what interfaith is accomplishing by just watching the news or getting informed about issues like church-state separation. Whatever the interfaith movement is doing, it is not remotely enough to successfully take on Islamophobia, anti-atheist bigotry, or violations of church-state separation. Interfaith certainly hasn't made a dent in the portion of the US population that still supports "under God" being in the Pledge.

The interfaith movement has something that atheist organizations don't, they have people of multiple faiths. They have a better opportunity of mobilizing people of multiple faiths into supporting atheists on their various issues. Unfortunately, I hear far more about Rob Sherman or the FFRF or Richard Dawkins doing atheist activism than interfaith doing substantial activism on behalf of atheists.

This gets back to what I was saying about the interfaith movement seeming insulated. It seems like if the interfaith movement knows it did something, they call it an accomplishment. They don't realize that outside of the interfaith movement, their activism goes unnoticed and problems like Islamophobia that they supposedly accomplished something on are still big problems.

I don't need to do homework. The interfaith movement needs to do a better job at activism.
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03:27 AM on 01/25/2011
Atheists have the uncompromising support of Pastafarians.

We share so many things; reverence of Pirates, noodles, meatballs, a Heaven that has a beer volcano (plus the unmentionable factory) and of course the advantage of The Truth.
12:21 PM on 01/25/2011
I don’t usually poke around this section. I’m glad I did today, laughing out loud!
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MyNameIsKarsten
...sounds like Chewbacca when he yawns.
05:02 PM on 01/25/2011
Ramen, brother. Let us prey!
09:29 PM on 01/24/2011
So Interfaith groups must stand up for the right of atheists to.....avoid criticism?
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DakkonA
www.DisentangledReality.com
10:14 PM on 01/24/2011
No. To exist and to not be thought of as morally corrupt because their moral code doesn't come from on high.
01:33 AM on 01/25/2011
And religious groups have an obligation to make sure this doesn't happen.....why exactly? Being thought of as "morally corrupt" isn't exactly an infringement on anyone's rights. No one is entitled to be liked. If atheists have an image problem then maybe they should do something on their own to change it.
12:35 AM on 01/25/2011
How about to avoid hypocrisy.