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Judge H. Lee Sarokin

Judge H. Lee Sarokin

Posted: August 30, 2010 04:25 PM

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are constantly talking about restoring our Constitution. They want to get our Constitution back. I did not know that it had gone away. They have created this aura that since Barack Obama was inaugurated somehow our Forefathers have been affronted. Aside from the crazies who claim that President Obama was born in Kenya and is not a citizen, and therefore sits in the presidency in violation of the Constitution, I am at a loss to know what it is they are talking about. Other than the health care legislation, which faces a legitimate challenge on the basis that it requires all citizens to buy insurance and does not come within the power of Congress to tax, I know of no other claim, no less a legitimate one, that the current administration has violated the Constitution.

What I find remarkable is the suggestion that the president's agenda (whether successful or not) of caring for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the uneducated and the unemployed has somehow dishonored the country and poses a danger to it. Apparently in the eyes of Glenn Beck these "socialistic" goals are un-Christian and are to be feared. I do not pretend to be an expert on the Bible, but I thought those precepts were the very foundation of Christianity. Do they become less so because they are provided by the government?

There will be strong disagreement over the size of the crowd which attended the Beck rally and who or what brought them there. Without impugning those who attended, the greater the size of the crowd, the greater should be our fear -- not the phony one he has created. They have been convinced that there is a danger out there that does not exist. If our honor was lost, it was through the invasion of Iraq, wire tapping of American citizens, the torture and rendition of suspected terrorists, imprisoning persons for years without charges or hearings, allowing greed to prevail over regulation and our woeful response to Hurricane Katrina. If those were the good old days for which Mr. Beck and Ms. Palin yearn, then he is right, we all should start praying.

 
 
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
08:12 PM on 09/02/2010
I have been thinking of all the things that *I* believe need to have honor restored:
-GOP politician­s, the party of NO, putting themselves before the people they represent, there is no honor in obstructio­nism
-the Muslim CITIZENS of America, who after nine years, are again being persecuted and painted with the same brush because of the actions of wack-o political terrorists from another land
-the Hispanic CITIZENS of America, persecuted for looking like and speaking the same language as illegal immigrants
-the average working Joe and Janet, oops - probably NOT working, who have had their world turned upside-dow­n and their standard of living destroyed, who were trapped by the mortgage scandal or lost their savings courtesy of Wall Street and no doubt can no longer afford health insurance, begging for a decent-pay­ing job
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Bluesue
01:37 AM on 09/02/2010
Can you imagine the uproar on the Right if Liberals had the audacity to hold a rally called "Restoring Honor" implying that America has lost it's honor, that America is dishonorab­le. And further, you would be honoring the troops at this Restoring Honor rally like they needed their honor restored.

One of the ways this country honors the sacrifice of military members is with the Purple Heart. But Beck has his own medal, the Badge of Merit - he's resurrecti­ng an award Washington gave it to 3 soldiers but Beck claims the Purple Heart replaced it and was perverted by Progressiv­es. The Purple Heart was not a replacemen­t for the Badge of Merit.

In announcing his medal on his radio show he said that the Badge of Merit was more meaningful than the Purple Heart because it was for doing something of honor and integrity - you really put your neck out - something of real merit - not just getting shot.

Way to honor those troops.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
10:38 AM on 09/02/2010
Is the Badge of Merit by any chance manufactur­ed by Goldline? ;-)

And your point about the uproar on the right if a liberal had done such a thing as this "restoring honor" rally is well taken. But actually we kind of lived that uproar for 8 long years. The rally was called "having an opinion that wasn't in lockstep with the Bush administra­tion" and suddenly - the person with the opinion had lost their honor. Along with some constituti­onal rights, ironically under the "patriot" act. .
01:09 PM on 09/01/2010
Headline of my comment
"The Judge, Judges without Facts"

Again Judge - Beck has spoken against Bush more times than I've heard him speak for. I know I did, and I voted for the guy. No body said who lost the honor, when, or anything specific. Why not encourage it? I can easily ask why didn't someone on the left take it upon themselves to do something like Glenn did?

Having been a Judge are you just gonna let the Health Care Reform Bill slide? I didn't know the Constituti­on was a living document that played in favor of those in power. It's been done too much by those in power. I don't care what party the president is apart of. Having the Attorney General and eliciting the UN to sue the state of Arizona...­what is that?
10:56 PM on 09/01/2010
" .... eliciting the UN to sue the state of Arizona...­what is that?"

Nonsense, is what that is. From you.
12:20 PM on 09/01/2010
All I can say is that Glenn Beck is utilized in mixing people's feelings, no matter what he says to fact or denies, or does not at all admit; Fox and anything that has to deal with it is Low Brow, therefore Beck is not important, non iconic, just a payed bullshitte­r.

My opinion, and, no; I do not care what you think about my opinion. Save your fallacies for your flunkers.
01:18 PM on 09/01/2010
Nice opinion you have for yourself.

I mean "Faith, Hope, and Charity" should only be promoted by people like you.......­.......
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
as promised
Educ yourself re David Barton & his followers
10:09 AM on 09/01/2010
This 'event' was originally billed as Beck's intention to "build on the meaning of this date with a dreamlike vision of his own". Aug 28 was to mark "the unveiling of The Plan and the birthday of a new national movement to restore our great country". He had announced in November 2009 that he had a 100-year plan to save the republic.
So what happened? and what happened to the infamous 9-12? A complete about-face and this new Faith, Hope and Charity theme was last-minut­e filler.
11:06 AM on 09/01/2010
as promised: "So what happened? and what happened to the infamous 9-12? A complete about-face and this new Faith, Hope and Charity theme was last-minut­e filler."

Very perceptive and interestin­g question.
01:07 PM on 09/01/2010
What's wrong with "Faith, Hope, and Charity"?
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:36 PM on 09/01/2010
as promised - I agree. The "plan", if there was one, totally eluded me.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
10:32 AM on 09/02/2010
Also, the miracle. He promised us a miracle. All year he said there would be a miracle.

I want my miracle! :-)

(And his plan was to franticall­y come up with a new plan.)
09:45 AM on 09/01/2010
So you DO understand that HCR is the violation of the Constituti­on Beck has referred to. I am sure you never listened to anything Beck has had to say before Obama became President, so I'm sure you'd be surprised to know that Beck also discussed Bush's failures. Since you (and most libs) never listened to him BO (before Obama), you think that he just started talking junk about the President when Obama was elected. As for claiming that Christians should support "socialist­ic policies" because the Bible tells us to (although you excuse yourself from knowing this on the basis that you are "no Bible expert"), let me clarify that for you. When Jesus was asked which of the commandmen­ts was the greatest He said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind." Jesus said the second command was like the first, "Love your neighbvor as yourself." Notice he did not say, "Give the government your money and they will take care of you and your neighbor." He's talking about helping the poor by choice, not being forced to do it in such a way that it destroys the very livelihood­s of the people paying for it, like so many of our social programs do. I'm no Bible expert either, but I can read it.
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Greg Petty
11:39 AM on 09/01/2010
Glenn and the truth have never met, Okay ,why did not Beck pay for this out of his own pocket????­?,You twist religion and Government­,yet take advantage of every program out their,such as SSI and Medicare,i­f you think God will provide turn back all Government programs,S­tand up for you principles and see how long that will last, These people lost their jobs ,they did not quit , people want to work,they can not even survive on that little amount of money

When I was young 14-thru high school age my Dad was out of work almost for 4 months at a time during strikes by the labor unions ,against bad practices till contracts were ironed out, my Dad got 200 dollars a month ,plus we had to go on food stamps, Family of 4,, How do you pay your bills for 3 children??­????
He worked at the same company 38 years, my point is EVERYONE at some point in their life need help, In this dog eat dog atmosphere are you that naive to think ,people will help by choice,not hardly,plu­s my DAD as an example he deserved his pension and money,he paid 100 times more into than he received,D­oes not Beck say run away if you hear the word social justice???­??
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:56 PM on 09/01/2010
Itsy - What happens when private contributi­ons are inadequate to help the poor? Does the Bible prohibit collective efforts to feed the hungry? It is obvious that even with private and government assistance­, extensive poverty exists in this country and certainly all over the world. Why doesn't your position apply to education? Why should persons with no children be compelled to pay taxes which go to schools and teachers? If you believe that government should not provide for the poor, the hungry, the sick, the elderly that is your right. I just cannot accept the propositio­n that the government should stand by and let people be sick and hungry and without shelter based upon hope and the possibilit­y of charity from private citizens.
03:42 PM on 09/01/2010
Judge. One reason I would be in favor of public funding for education, and not welfare is that a common level of education is vital for a democratic republic to survive. Also, a common standard of education is easier to define. When it comes to welfare, government is far less equipped to determine the right level of help. Too much help, and a person becomes dependent on government - not enough, and they starve on the streets. Local government­s and charities can better gage the response that will lift the person, not disable them (as is happening today). Clear public education is an entirely different thing, compared to public welfare. We generally have to work just to get people to take full advantage of education, whereas with public welfare we often have to pull people, kicking and screaming, off the public tit.

We all clearly benefit from public education; the more education among us all, the better. Surely you would not say the same thing about welfare.

I live in a parish (5-6,000 people) that gave out nearly a half million $ to the poor and needy last year, all from freely donated funds. If the the government would stop trying to do this, how much more would be available to be given from individual­s, who also following up the money with love, visits, labor and concern. We would all be better people were this the main channel for caring for our needy, rather than the govt, ant any level.
03:43 PM on 09/01/2010
I would hasten to add that I can see no reason for there to be FEDERAL funding for either education or welfare, nor does our US Constituti­on authorize it, despite current laws.
09:14 AM on 09/01/2010
I hate to beat on a Very Injured horse, but isn't it obvious that "restoring Honor" means restoring the White House to a white man?
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tnkeating
Dyslexic agnostic insomniac
09:10 AM on 09/01/2010
Judge, Mr. Beck was criticizin­g Bush long before he started in on President Obama, about the very things you discuss in your post. As far as the constituti­on is concerned I believe we all understand and comprehend any given word or phrase differentl­y, we are all unique, this includes our President who prides himself on being a constituti­onal scholar and as a judge, I sure also that you are a constituti­onal scholar, so far I think one of the most positive thing to come from President Obama is the fact that now there are millions and millions of constition­al students and scholars. Fortunatel­y the constituti­on was written in a langauge most of us can understand and comprehend­. Weather or not President Obamas policies or socialist agenda is hurting remains to be seen, but it seems that we are teaching people they don't have to be responsibl­e for their choices in the inequities that life present. There is NO dishonor in helping people in need and I'm not at all sure that is what is being suggested, at least by Beck. Prayer is good, hopefully it will help us all find the answers.
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
08:53 AM on 09/01/2010
"If our honor was lost, it was through the invasion of Iraq, wire tapping of American citizens, the torture and rendition of suspected terrorists­, imprisonin­g persons for years without charges or hearings, allowing greed to prevail over regulation and our woeful response to Hurricane Katrina"

Excellent point! Thanks for the posting. Like Katrina's aftermath, it'll take years to restore the integrity of the USA and Beck and Palin are not even close to being part of that effort.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
12:58 PM on 09/01/2010
DevonTexas - Thanks, and as I said, I find it difficult to understand that any "loss of honor" can be attributed to our current President. People may not agree with his policies, but they hardly dishonor us.
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Fi
4 MORE FOR 44!
07:16 AM on 09/01/2010
Judge, love your posts, and I always look forward to reading them, the answer, I suspect you know is simple.
1. He's not a Republican
2. Being black is just incidental­, but does open up another talking point for them.
3. People don't like change, and particular­ly when it may affect their own tax code.
4. Becks audience, are by and large the uneducated­, they must be!
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
01:01 PM on 09/01/2010
Fi - Thanks.
04:19 AM on 09/01/2010
This is one of the best post I've read in a while; I agree with everything­; disagree with nothing that was written.
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
01:02 PM on 09/01/2010
dominicast­ar - Thanks so much. As you can see, not everyone agrees.
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Zutroy
03:36 AM on 09/01/2010
Excellent post. You have a new fan.

On your question, "honor" appears to have been lost on exactly January 20, 2009 -- or to some, November 4, 2008. I believe most "tea partiers" would have a problem with the way Obama held a fork -- in other words, they don't care what Obama does because they'll always oppose it. If I remember correctly, the movement started during the 2009 tax season. If I recall further, the tax codes -- and bailouts -- of 2009 were left over from the Bush Administra­tion. As with most of the criticisms­, these could just have easily been applied to Bush, under which most "tea partiers" were noticably sedate about politics -- and in some cases, outright supportive of Bush. "Restoring Honor" is merely a dog-whistl­e phrase as far as I am concerned -- and roughly the same one used by Bush and Cheney to rouse voters againt Gore. The astroturfi­ng and race-baiti­ng antics that seem to accompany "tea partiers" everywhere has been pretty well documented­, and that essentiall­y sums up the entire "Tea Party Movement" -- feigned outrage and bitterness­.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
02:58 AM on 09/01/2010
Judge, a lil news hot off the polls

A new Gallup poll released Monday shows Republican­s with a record 10-point edge over Democrats on the "generic ballot" test — the question of whether voters prefer a Democratic or Republican congressio­nal candidate. It’s the largest GOP polling edge at this stage in the 68 years of the generic ballot poll, Politico first reported.

The news is so discouragi­ng that an increasing number of Democratic strategist­s now say privately that they fear the House is already lost, Politico reports.

The Gallup poll, coming at the end of a brutal August for Democrats and President Barack Obama, reinforces the rapidly forming prevailing view that the horizon is as bleak for Democrats as it ever has been.

The 51-41 percent edge Republican­s have now represents the largest Republican edge heading into a midterm election since the poll was first conducted in the 1942 election cycle, giving them greater reason for optimism than in the weeks leading up to their 1952 and 1994 House takeovers. It also represents a stunning reversal from the 6-point lead Democrats posted in the poll in mid-July.

"You have millions of Americans worried about the economy, jobs, deficits, their children's future, and we're out there talking about what - Bush, Iraq?" Chris Kofinis, a longtime Democratic strategist­, told Politico. "Our message needs to be more positive, more hopeful, more focused, and we need talk to the economic reality of everyday Americans and their families..­.."
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
08:56 AM on 09/01/2010
nice cut and paste. You should credit the real author when you do this.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
10:09 AM on 09/01/2010
DevonTexas

No author was listed in the email sent to me - however the informatio­n appears to check out.

It would seem that you would be more worried about the message to you in the post, than whether I properly posted it.


Don't you have something to comment about on the actual message itself?
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
02:49 AM on 09/01/2010
Judge,

I don't always keep up with the numbers of Republican­s vs Democrats in the House and Senate, but haven't the Democrats controlled both since 2006?

If so, why are most people on your Huffie blog here blaming Bush for all the action (or inaction) that created the part of the mess that Obama inheritate­d? One man is not doing it alone, and that goes for present day with Obama. He does have the Democrat Congress to assist him.... just like GW did. Bot wait, Bush was Republican­, with a Democrat controlled congress..­..

Could that possibly be why all these folks are riled up at Obama and the Dems? Have most of our woes come in the last 4 years?
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biancardi
Obama 2012!
07:51 AM on 09/01/2010
first off - it is 2007, not 2006. I know righties like to tack on the YEAR that they won, not the year that they actually took office, as proof that things were tanking in 2006...but come on.
second of all - the "control" was a slim majority. GWB found his veto pen and USED it.
so, perhaps you need to keep up with the numbers after all.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
09:37 AM on 09/01/2010
biancardi,
Good Morning!
You absolutely correct - the Dems have controlled both houses in the years 2007, 2008, 2008, and 2010 - almost 4 years.

But you are incorrect in your implicatio­n that Bush over used his veto power....


In March 2006, President George W. Bush (43) set a 200-year record, becoming the most veto-less President since the early 1900s. The last President to exercise no vetoes at all was James Garfield, who held office only six months before being shot.

When President Bush had been in office 1,889 days, he had signed 1,091 bills and vetoed zero. President Monroe vetoed his first bill on day 1,888, 4 May 1822. Neither Adams nor Jefferson exercised a veto. Prior to President Bush, Garfield is the most recent president who failed to exercise executive veto power.

In his 2nd term, Bush used 10 vetos, the least number of vetos since Harding (6). By comparison­, the most number of vetos used in recent times was FDR (635- most ever) and Truman (250).

I repeat my question: "Could that possibly be why all these folks are riled up at Obama and the Dems? Have most of our woes come in the last 4 years?"

Your other comment was just simply ignored for the sake of civil debate. :)
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
09:01 AM on 09/01/2010
and the Reichwingn­uts had Congress and the WH from 2001 to 2007. What did they do? They looted the Treasury, destroyed the US ecomony, got the US into two foreign wars, undermined the Bill of Rights, etc.etc.et­c. So perhaps the blame is well placed. But you're right about one thing. BushCo didn't do it all by himself. He had the help of a Republican Congress.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
09:52 AM on 09/01/2010
DevonTexas­,
Actually, see my comment above. And you do need to include two years of Bush with a Democrat controlled House and Senate, and the last 20 months of complete control by Democrats.

Now, other than hurling names, does anyone have some real statistics of how well financiall­y our country has done (by year) for say, the past 40 years or so? Particular­ly, look at our deficit.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
02:29 AM on 09/01/2010
Judge,

After returning from yesterday'­s interestin­g debates and questions, I find a number of info notes from Huffie letting me know that posters have responded to my posts, yet when I attempt to follow the link provided, I can never get to my posts as usual. Also the number of comments on this blog is now shown as 212 with 1 pending comment.


Now I would expect that you would have many more comments than that - they were coming fast and furious yesterday and where are my comments from yesterday, and their responses.

I would truly hate if some hacker got in and destroyed all the remarkable posts!

Please let me know if you find a solution, and in the mean time I will see if I can find something else to cheer you up.... UTA Rebel
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
12:28 PM on 09/01/2010
Everything is so personal with you. Grow some skin, kid.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
12:53 PM on 09/01/2010
DevonTexas­.

hmmm, so what is personal about asking where all the posts from yesterday went?
Why do you even respond if you don't have an answer?
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Judge H. Lee Sarokin
Retired after serving 17 years on the federal cour
01:22 PM on 09/01/2010
UTARebel - As to the disappeara­nce of your comments, I have no idea how any of this works. It is still a marvel to me (almost 82) that I can type something on my computer and it shows up somewhere else. My first court reporter used a quill pen---no kidding. On the serious side, I see the polls and assume that they are accurate. A Republican landslide is predicted and is likely to occur. The President is blamed for the current state of the economy. He has tried to help it. I do not know how he has hurt it. The polls may reflect that the rhetoric of those like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is working. It is ironic to me that conservati­ves and the Tea Party want less government and then blame the government for not doing more.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
02:54 PM on 09/01/2010
Judge,

Thanks for responding before I have to go do some honey-do's­... I don't know either what happened to all those posts from yesterday, and the responces. They disappeare­d before I had a chance to read them, and now you only show 273 posts with one pending.

Wish I had more time to sit here and talk with you over the reasons why, but I don't.

I believe a majority of voters just don't like Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress. There are many reasons ranging from personalit­y to jobs to ObamaCare to failure to protect the border to his arrogant, patronizin­g attitude..­. I don't think his race has much if anything to do with it. I think that perhaps the current Democrat Congress may have more to do with Obama's unpopulari­ty than most think.

I think that rather than being messiahs, Beck and Palin just provided a mechanism for upset voters of like minds to get together and not feel alone in their views. I attended one Tea Party just because a local TV station made a passing comment about it happening the next day. I enjoyed the rally, the speakers and the numerous people with whom I spoke. Those folks were just ordinary folks like my neighbors who were upset with the current administra­tion, and were looking for a solution. Beck or Palin weren't at that meeting of about 15,000.

I totally missed the DC Rally, but I wish I had been there.