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Strange, Inconceivable Fire: Leviticus And Holocaust Remembrance Day

Posted: 04/17/2012 7:16 am

There are times when the weekly Torah portion dovetails neatly with contemporary life. There are other weeks when writing a reflection requires digging deep into the wells of creativity to find a resonant connection. And then there are the weeks when it is uncomfortably jarring to read the Torah portion in the context of a particular moment in our lives. For me, this is one of those weeks.

The Torah portion of Shemini (Leviticus 9:1-11:47) begins by instructing the priests -- Aaron and his sons -- on how to carry out animal sacrifices, specifically sin offerings and burnt offerings. The concept of sacrifices, not to mention the bloody details, is strange enough to our modern ears. But this week, as we prepare to commemorate Yom Ha'Shoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, on Thursday, it is almost sickening to read how "the flesh and the skin were consumed in fire" (Leviticus 9:11), and even more so to consider these words and acts something God would command.

Furthermore, in a linguistic application whose theological implications make me shudder, the word "holocaust" is derived from the Greek word for the Temple sacrifices, suggesting that the victims of the Nazis were burnt offerings to God.

The instructional narrative of this Torah portion is then interrupted by a disturbing story in which two of Aaron's sons, the young priests Nadav and Avihu, offer what the text calls esh zarah, usually translated as "strange fire" -- an offering not requested by God -- and are in turn themselves consumed by God's fire (Leviticus 10:1-2). In the aftermath of this tragedy, Moses warns Aaron and his two remaining sons to refrain from the outward signs of mourning, but reassures them that the rest of the community will mourn their kinsmen.

Though the story serves an obvious purpose in underscoring the tremendous power of the priests and the need for them to be precise in fulfilling their ritual duties, much is left unanswered. Were Nadav and Avihu righteous men but inexperienced priests who made one fatal mistake, or were they deviating from the priestly playbook in arrogance? Were they drunk, or were they so holy that they ascended to God in fiery ecstasy? Are we to mourn them, condemn them for their actions, or hold them in awe for their direct encounter with God? Generations of rabbinic commentators have argued these and other possibilities.

Rereading the story this year, two elements struck me. First, the mourning prohibition Moses requires of Aaron and his sons. How could Moses ask his brother and nephews to forego these mourning rituals? I picture this family holed up in the Mishkan, the portable Temple of the desert, afraid to move for fear of breaking down or of eliciting more dangerous fire, but filled to overflowing with rending grief. The text does not detail the mourning of the community beyond saying that they will cry (Leviticus 10:6), but I cannot imagine that even the loudest communal wailing could give appropriate voice to the personal grief of Aaron and his family.

In light of Yom Ha'Shoah, this scene reminds me of the history of uncertainty and discomfort around how to mourn publicly for the victims of the Nazis. Note, for example, that the original Israeli proposal for a commemoration pegged it to the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which began on April 19, 1943. It is, often, easier to speak of and mourn for those who resisted than those who seemingly did not. Ultimately, the Israeli date for Yom Ha'Shoah is determined in relationship to their Memorial Day and Independence Day, thereby rooting the political origin story of the State of Israel and its ongoing military struggles in the story of the Holocaust. Public mourning always has its context and its purposes, which may or may not relate to the personal needs of mourners.

I am also struck by the power of personal stories and of naming. The story of Nadav and Avihu is haunting not only because it is dramatic and unresolved, but also because the two victims are named and are the sons of Aaron and the nephews of Moses and Miriam, all characters we've come to know well by this point in the biblical narrative. How, I wonder, might we read this episode differently if the two young men consumed by fire were unnamed, of unknown lineage?

Of course, mourning for millions of lost lives is necessarily different than for two. Part of the challenge of Yom Ha'Shoah is the inconceivable vastness of the tragedy, which can be simultaneously overwhelming and distancing. How can one wrap one's mind around a number like 6 million? And how can one relate to the loss of each individual life, especially if one does not have a specific relative or story in mind?

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In college, I participated each year in a communal exercise to grapple with both the hugeness of the Shoah and its individual impact. Each year on Yom Ha'Shoah, we organized volunteers to read the names of the victims, in the middle of campus, for 24 consecutive hours. During my sophomore year, I took the 3 a.m. shift, and stood in front of the library in the dark, chilly April night, reading names into the quiet emptiness. In the midst of this rhythm, I stopped suddenly, my stomach sinking, my breath catching. For there it was: my own name.

I have no idea who that Judith Rosenbaum was, where she was from, or how old she was when she died. Perhaps she was a relative, perhaps not. But I do know that reading her -- our -- name changed me. It brought me into the story in a new way.

Maybe that is the role of Nadav and Avihu, too. We never learn what really happened, just as I won't know the story of this other Judith Rosenbaum. But the possibilities left open by the absences in the biblical narrative make room for us to identify with them, or with Aaron and his family. And suddenly, in the midst of the litany of laws of priestly sacrifices, we might find ourselves confronted by a consuming fire.

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01:57 AM on 04/25/2012
It was an awesome that God allowed her to experience that. I think that there are no accidents in life, and it was for a reason. Had I been in her place, and it happened to me, I would have taken it as God telling me that I had been crucified with Christ.
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07:44 PM on 04/19/2012
When I was ten and living in Europe, my parents (Americans both) took me through southern Germany on a week long vacation. One of our stops was outside Munich at a town called Dachau, home of the infamous concentration camp.

I remember wandering through the camp and the now empty rows and rows of foundations where the prisoner huts used to be. The administration building was turned into a museum and featured plenty of photos of people being led to the gas, including children like myself.

I remember walking through the morgue, a big concrete room which the guide said was permanently crammed with corpses as ovens, located in the same room, could not keep up with the influx of the murdered. The room smelled of death, 30 years after the end of the war, and mental image and memory of the smell combined to make the deepest impression on my young mind.

After seeing that place, it seemed as if the childish behavior of others -- racism, prejudice, hatred -- made no sense. Experiencing that place set me apart from my peers, and I remain there today as I mourn the Shoah and its dead.
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11:04 AM on 04/19/2012
(continued)

Undoubtedly this mixed multitude indulged in detestable practices and were headed to a land where the practices were even more detestable, such as child sacrifice. This group needed and received explicit detailed instruction from God. They were told of the consequences, they had seen the consequences meted upon the Egyptian pharaoh and his people with the plagues. They saw how God had led them out of slavery and protected them. They agreed to follow the guidelines. The account as to the disobedience and subsequent consequences experienced by Aarons sons is what this account details. These commands were to be followed, and the priests as well as the other people were to follow the instructions laid out for them. Nadab and Abihu blatantly and wantonly disobeyed these instructions and for that were immediately punished by death. God gives life and God, as the only one with the right to do so, can take life away. He wants people to live, yet some choose, as did the sons, to completely turn away from the true God. These choose for themselves their own end.
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10:46 AM on 04/19/2012
God's commands always have a purpose. It is our job to understand this purpose, not to criticize it. God is love and he is equally powerful, just and wise, so it is up to us to discover the meaning. Atheists like to use every occurrence as a reason why they do not serve God, but we as believers seek to understand what it means to serve God and we find the meaning that the atheist may reject, which is their right, just as it is our duty to understand the God we love, the one who created us.

That being said, the timing of occurrences of Leviticus is important. The Israelites had left in the exodus from Egypt less than a year or so earlier. Moses wrote Leviticus after given explicit instructions by God as to how this newly formed nation, that was set apart for service of God, should be handled. Since the time of Abel, faithful men had been offering sacrifices to God, but this is the first time they were to receive explicit instructions by God as to sacrifice and offering.

As a new nation journeying toward a new land, Israel needed proper direction. The living standards and practices of Egypt would be fresh in their minds. False worship of gods, brother and sister marriages was what the Egyptians practiced. Now this group was headed towards Canaan, where even more degrading practices were performed. (Continued).
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11:19 AM on 04/19/2012
suebeedue criticizes the Egyptians for "brother and sister" marriages. Abram (who became Abraham) and Sarai (who became Sarah) were half-brother and half-sister. Cain married his sister after killing Abel. If such marriages were wrong for the Egyptians, they were equally so for the Israelites. There is not the slightest evidence that Moses wrote any of the first five books of the Bible. He was dead before the end of Deuteronomy.

"God is love," says suebeedue. Does he show it when he kills at least seven million people in Noah's flood? Perhaps he exhibits it when he has the Levites kill 3,000 of their fellow travelers. This occurred after Moses' brother, Aaron, made an idol. Aaron was not punished. God's angel kills 74,000 when King David takes an unauthorized census, and God kills 50,000 who peeked into the Ark of the Lord as it traveled back to its people. God repeatedly tells the Israelites to kill entire cities, including women and children: Jericho, Ai, Hazor, and the "towns of Midian."

There may be a loving God somewhere, but he is not in the Old Testament of the Bible.
01:09 PM on 04/19/2012
well said phal
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11:07 AM on 04/20/2012
This means that you believe in their god, their explanations for happenings and that he is a bad god. We humans are just animals. We don't think. What we religiously believe to be thinking and free will is really just chemico-electrical reactions. Noah spent over a hundred years giving out free tickets to his ark. No takers. Then again people aren't important in science. Just the species. Well, not even the species. Tough luck. A few million dead here or there. Not important. The Levites were the USDA and healthcare agencies of the time. Just like we kill cows to preserve the herd, these 3,000 people were probably affected by a disease by not following the scientific rules set down in Leviticus on avoiding infecteous diseases. Killing entire cities was common sense and common practice in those days. Today, we believe in vaccines. We believe that viruses adapt to vaccines via a religion called evolution. Doesn't happen that way. Viruses aren't alive. They can't think. They can't adapt. We just don't destroy them all. Virus are exactly like they were millions of years ago. Or so say scientists.
We judge civilizations from a thousand years ago according to the religions of today. At least the Hebrews wrote the good and the bad. Our own history is feel good fiction. Today we can't separate secular from religious. Everyone is religious, just most people Deny it.
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12:36 PM on 04/19/2012
your comments are a worthwhile read

just want to share/add 2 points of interest

1. some of these "rules" like in Leviticus need to be done a certain way on the physical side, so that the spiritual picture of the parable, hidden or spiritual intent, can be translated properly

as an example, the washings, a symbol of being cleaned up by the holy Spirit, John the Baptist did whole body submersion after repentance, while the Catholic side does infants and splash on water, that is not necessarily bad per se, and probably not cause Catholics to be consumed by fire from God, but as Jesus said, "you Scribes and Pharisees (religious folks) clean the outside of the cup and bowl, but the inside (spirit-character) is full of uncleanness; like greed, self-indulgence and wickedness, if you first clean the inside, then the outer (words and actions) would be clean ".....Matthew 23:25-28

2.. there are and have been people that claim to be servants of God (come near with their mouths) but their hearts are far from God, like Elijah and the false prophets, Jesus too, the public is presented with the choice (election time again) between the two opposing sides or ideology, and that it was or became apparent one side appeared more favored or blessed by God (no its not the republicans regardless of their boasting, they have been shamed by their losses ie women's rights, contraceptives/abortion, pornography, gambling etc)
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11:48 AM on 04/20/2012
(cont)...Today, the bottomline is the same as it was in the Dark Ages. The politicians define religion according to the best interests of their agenda. The religions forced on the people by the Roman/German politicians and the Arab Politicians were pretty much the same religion and totally different from the original religion. Both claimed that they loved Mary, Jesus was sinless and that Jesus would come on Judgement Day. You could save yourselves by doing the biding of the government. Today, the Democrats and Republicans are both Bible Thumpers, not bothering to open the book. What the Bible says is unimportant. What the Democrats and Republicans tell their "religious" followers that the Bible says is good rhetoric, though totally irrelevent. If you are now confused, religion and religious are two totally different words with totally different definitions. People religiously tell us they are not religious. The two largest religions in the US today are the Democrats and Republicans. They have prosthelytized everyone away from the We The People principle set down in the Constitution.
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09:18 AM on 04/19/2012
God said no to Human Sacrifice with the Binding of Issac
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11:20 AM on 04/19/2012
He then say "yes" when Jephthah offered his only daughter in "Judges."
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04:43 PM on 04/19/2012
A burnt offering was something given in its entirety, not just a part of it to be used by the one who was offering it in worship, as in a communion offering. In the case of Jephthah's daughter, the father did not physically sacrifice his daughter, but she was to remain a virgin for life and enjoyed the privilege of engaging in sacred service at the sanctuary. This was an offering to God of her whole self for her whole life, and she willingly gave herself in complete devotion to God in this way.
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12:02 PM on 04/19/2012
But unfortunately kept silent with the Judge who sacrificed his daughter.
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09:16 AM on 04/19/2012
Today is a Day to be VERY SCARED

It is Nisan 27-Yom HaShoa

The Day to remember the Holocaust.

A Day in which we shudder to realize that some of those who executed some of the worst attrocities known to Man are still walking this planet. It has not been that long.

And if you want to tell me that only those who thought up these atrocities are responsible and not the entire German People who executed them, I say, find yourself a very stupid Man to believe such a specious argument. The SS and death camps and trains etc, did not run themselves.

I saw these sub-humans every year from 1988-1997 when I went to Frankfurt for the Muisk Messe. I was seated at a very fine restaurant that used to be the home of composer Engelbert Humperdinck. My partner, our sales girl and myself, in our American Suits and the obviously Jewish faces of my partner and I seemed to disturb the other customers as they stared at us all might with looks on their faces that could only mean, what are these inferior beings doing here , inferior Judens that do not accept our total superiority . We are superior to ALL- including God
06:02 AM on 04/19/2012
Never knew but now know as it is written in the very beginning of the Book of Leviticus is mostly a Book filled with Laws for God's choosen bloodline of Priest who are the Tribe of Levi, why the book is called the Book of Levi/ticus-Leviticus. As far as holocust being mention it was the pagans who worshiped their deity, their pagan god Molech, who offered their own children and others a human sacrifice to their gods and Molech. Exactly what God told His Choosen People and all the Elders (priest) who served God -not to do was an abomination. Told also not to do that once they entered the Promise Land also or God would scatter them and He did. This Law of offering human sacriifice is not so with God at all and is what Leviticus 18:23 is all about. Pagans did this to their pagan gods.
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07:32 AM on 04/19/2012
Thank you for mentioning a context. Most of the people who comment here take nothing into context and they only see the violence of something. They hone in on this so that they will not have to do the right things in their own lives or be accountable to their maker. God only acts justly and righteously. Only God can read a heart. Only God knows whether a person deserves life or death. God does not torture people and those who die probably did not even feel much of the pain of their death, they died quickly. And because of their inhumanity, they probably deserved to die and not to live. Actually we all are in line to pay the price of sinning- which is death, but God in his undeserved (for us) kindness allows us to grow and change and hopefully be in line for life everlastingly.
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11:25 AM on 04/19/2012
suebeedue says that God does not torture people. Does she think that drowning all but eight people in the whole world did not involve torture to those caught in the flood? She actually defends the God of the Bible for killing without much pain and assumes that people died quickly. She cannot possibly know any such thing. The killing alone is enough to make this God a mass-killer and a serial-killer.
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06:21 PM on 04/18/2012
The Hebrews got their religious (Ten) Commandments in another Book. Leviticus is a secular rule book. If one looks at it with a scientific eye rather than a religious eye, it makes sense. They were actually far ahead of us in preventative medicine. Today, we just do crazy things to our bodies and believe that a healthcare insurance company will miraculously save our life for us. We even ignore the "Wash your hands..." signs in restrooms. The priests were the local USDA inspector and butcher. They got to dress up in fancy clothes. Jacob cursed the Levites with being priests because of the actions earlier with Levi and the sister thing.
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11:49 AM on 04/18/2012
What Ms Rosenbaum describes as "digging deep into the wells of creativity to find a resonant connection" between bronze age stories and actual reality, can easily be translated into "twisting your powers of reason into factory second pretzel shapes in order to continue to believe in nonsense."

Like a little mustard with that pretzel?
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06:33 PM on 04/18/2012
True, it is total nonsense that humans Believe they are creative or even have free will. We are just animals scientifically. Our thoughts and actions are just reactions to incoming stimuli compared against memory. This has been proved. We haven't evolved in 5200 years according to a NOVA program "The Iceman." We have no proof that aliens didn't deposit us all here 50 years ago with memories to match the situation. "I think, therefore I am," is egotistical guessing. Philosophers tell us we lie to ourselves. I kind of like the scientific theory that we are all computer-generated characters living in a virtual world programed by entities in a macroverse, who themselves are computer generated characters. When we invent the quantum computer, we will create a microverse. Although many people already have taken that first leap into the virtual world. Phones controlling people's lives was science fiction in the 60s. Today, it is reality.
06:48 AM on 04/19/2012
Our mind stores things like a computor does it not? Our conscience cannot lie can it? One can deceive many people, but the one person no one can ever deceive is oneself. Our Conscience will bare witness against us will it not? If one steals, ones own conscience tells us we have stolen, regardless if one gets away with it or not, ones own conscience can only speak the Truth? God is trying to teach us it is in our minds? In our foreheads (mind)? Not on our foreheads, but in our foreheads, our mind?
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11:29 AM on 04/19/2012
We are actually still evolving in some ways. People living at very high altitudes have evolved more capillaries, rather than blood with more hemoglobin. The former gets more blood to the cells that need it, and the latter can cause strokes and heart attacks.

You mention "The Iceman" story. It is one of the best ever on "NOVA."
10:19 AM on 04/18/2012
Has any one researched why Germany hated the Jews so much in the days comming up to their imprisonment? Go look it up. All of Europe know about it, it has nothing to do with them not believing in Jesus Christ.
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11:41 AM on 04/18/2012
Clearly you've invested some time here, care to tell the rest of the class?
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06:12 PM on 04/18/2012
The Jews at that time were portrayed like the 1% are today. The Germans had been under "punishment" by the "Evil" White Europeans for 15 years for WWI. They were living in abject poverty. Hitler promised them hope. Hitler promised them jobs, national healthcare and education. Hitler created the Aryan race to fight the White people who were subjugating them. The Germans were willing to accept any promises.
10:15 AM on 04/18/2012
Torture and cruelty is never the answer. So sad it happened to the Israelites in Egypt, to Christians by the Jews and Romans, and to Jews by the Germans.
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07:04 PM on 04/18/2012
Every one of us has ancestors that were torturers, slave masters and murderers. Every one of us has ancestors that were the tortured, slaves and victims.
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07:40 PM on 04/18/2012
Why is there no mention of Israelites in Egyptian writing?
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06:07 AM on 04/19/2012
The tribal name "Israel" is mentioned in the Merneptah stele, otherwise they are just lumped in with the other "Asiatics".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/foreignrelations/asiank.html

There are also pictures that show what the Asiatics looked like to Egyptians. They are notably pale and the men are bearded. I don't know if these will come out but here are some.

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And here is a story about the invention of the alphabet by Canaanites on an Egyptian model.

http://www.bib-arch.org/bar/article.asp?PubID=BSBA&Volume=36&Issue=02&ArticleID=06&Page=0
08:32 AM on 04/19/2012
there is only only mention in the 13th century BC . . on the so-called Israeli stela of Merenptah . . . son of Ramesses II . . . . otherwise it is from the mid late 7th century BC . . . roughly 26th dynasty . . . . because there was nothing much to write about . . . you won't find much from before that . . . in other sources either . . isrrael was not a major player in the Ancient Near East . . . nor was Judah . . both were short;-lived vassal states . . . a great book to read is The Bible Unearthed Finkelstein and Silberman . . . . the OT was written sometime in the mid-late 7th century BC . . . there was no Moses, there was no exodus . . . there was no Arbraham . . . these are myths . . . .
08:19 PM on 04/17/2012
It seems that many people carry recessive genes for various forms of schizophrenia, which allows them to HEAR VOICES, and SEE GODS, DEMONS, or GHOSTS.

Then, there is the EGO, apparently another facet on our DNA strands, that cannot accept the fact of the end of the electro-chemical thoughts that occur in a live mammalian, human brain.

Combine the two, and you have RELIGION, in it various forms, all over the world. Apparently, it is hard wired in to our DNA makeup?
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06:51 PM on 04/17/2012
Blogger: The instructional narrative of this Torah portion is then interrupted by a disturbing story in which two of Aaron's sons, the young priests Nadav and Avihu, offer what the text calls esh zarah, usually translated as "strange fire" -- an offering not requested by God -- and are in turn themselves consumed by God's fire (Leviticus 10:1-2).

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This reminds me of the time I drove all the kids down to Disney World for a vacation. It was a LONG ride, and they kept getting restless and fighting in the back seat. No matter how many times I yelled at them they just wouldn't stop, and frankly it got on my nerves.

Finally, while we're going down I-95 at the speed limiy, I reach back, grab one of them, drag him into the front seat, open the driver side door, and toss him out.

I have to say, it worked amazingly well. The remaining kids were totally quiet and obedient - not just for the rest of the trip, but for the entire vacation.
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06:47 PM on 04/18/2012
Nothing new. That has been the way of the world since "time began" (actually, we created time. It doesn't exist). We are free to do with our property whatever we wish. The Jews were free to stone their sons before they became human at puberty. Greeks inspected babies. Those not perfect were left lying on the ground. Today in the US, humans not yet born can freely be killed. Most tribes had coming of age rituals to prove that they were human. Slaves, being property of someone, can be killed at any time. There are as many slaves bought and sold in the US today as any time in the past. I suspect they are killed when no longer useful.
11:16 AM on 04/19/2012
Did you pick him up on the way home?
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05:23 PM on 04/17/2012
Anyone looking for logic in the story of Moses, Aaron, and Miriam is going to be disappointed. Moses is allowed to see the promised land, but not to enter it because he struck a rock three times. The first time was all right, but striking another rock twice, instead of talking to it, gets him ostracized. This is after God tells Moses to take his rod and talk to the rock - a bit of a mixed message.

Aaron is stopped from even seeing the promised land because of what Moses did in striking the rock. Aaron is not punished for making a golden calf that caused 3,000 people to be killed by the Levites early in the forty-year trip. Miriam and Aaron both speak against the Ethiopian wife of Moses, but only Miriam gets leprosy for those words. Aaron begs Moses to intercede with God, so Miriam waits only a week for a cure from the disease.

This whole story sounds like it comes from someone on hallucinogens.
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06:51 PM on 04/18/2012
Then Moses, Aaron and Miriam are punished by being sent to "paradise." Paradise, a place where there is no want or need. No reason to work or buy A/Cs.
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11:48 AM on 04/19/2012
Dear WESmith:

I think the Bible says that each of the three dies, and then the Israelites move on after the proper period of mourning. I don't recall that any afterlife is even mentioned for any one of the three. The Old Testament is not big on what occurs after death. People just "lie with their fathers." The paradise you describe does sound fairly boring. If it is correct, who wants an eternity of mellowness?
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02:51 PM on 04/17/2012
God shows himself yet again to be an unsympathetic character. He kills the two priests, says he will kill their families if the families show signs of mourning, and then requires that the remaining folks have a feast with that unsought offering. Many people might find this onerous after watching their two relatives get charbroiled by a loving God.
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12:07 PM on 04/19/2012
Sounds like a story or 2 I've read about Caligula.