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Jules Siegel

Jules Siegel

Posted: July 13, 2009 10:49 AM

Honduras Supreme Court: It Was "Common Knowledge" That Zelaya Was No Longer President UPDATE


"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all.

In his suave but deceptive Los Angeles Times article ("Honduras' non-coup," Jul. 10) on the current Honduras crisis, Miguel A. Estrada recommends reading the Constitution of Honduras and other relevant legal documents before pre-judging the situation.

I'm fluent in Spanish. Over the past several days, I've read the Supreme Court case documents, the Honduran constitution and pertinent parts of the Honduran penal code, the full text of laws regulating referendums and plebiscites and citizen participation in government, as well as news and opinion reports from Honduran, Latin American and Hispanic media. I also consulted experts in Latin American social and political issues.

I found that the legal and logical deficiencies were so obvious that no neutral observer could conclude that Manuel Zelaya received anything remotely resembling due process. Neither the Supreme Court nor Congress had the power to remove him from office, although -- interestingly enough -- it appears he could have been detained and tried for criminal conduct by a special tribunal made up of Supreme Court justices. As far as I can tell, the only immunity from prosecution under the constitution is for acts of war committed by military personnel. Instead, President Zelaya was deported in defiance of the Supreme Court's order to bring him before a court for arraignment.

First of all, President Zelaya did not, as Mr. Estrada claims, promote a referéndum, but an encuesta, a survey. Proposition 8 was a referendum, an electoral process supervised and tabulated by a legally constituted election authority. The opinion polls about it were surveys. The official title was "Encuesta de Opinión Pública Convocatoria Asamblea Nacional Consituyente (Survey of Public Opinion Convoking a National Constitutional Convention) and it was to be carried out by the National Institute of Statistics, not a legally authorized electoral body, using a survey form, not a ballot.

Mr. Estrada asserts, "It is also worth noting that only referendums approved by a two-thirds vote of the Honduran Congress may be put to the voters." Actually, the Constitution does not vest conducting referendums in the Congress, but regulating how they are carried out. The two-thirds vote applies to certain protected amendments that are "set in stone" and cannot be changed. President Zelaya had ample power to carry out the survey under the Citizen Participation Law of 2006. Five days before the survey was to be put before the people, Congress passed a law forbidding referendums and plebiscites (another electoral process) within 180 days of an election. The law did not mention encuestas. Furthermore, the constitution specifically protects freedom of research.

"Article 239 specifically states that any president who so much as proposes the permissibility of reelection 'shall cease forthwith' in his duties," Mr. Estrada writes. Curiously, Article 239 is nowhere mentioned in the Supreme Court papers. No one in all the discussions I've read so far has been able to come up with a single statement in which President Zelaya mentions continuing in office.

Mr. Estrada punts that issue by writing that "the only conceivable motive for such a convention would be to amend the un-amendable parts of the existing constitution." Actually, the Honduran constitution has been modified 165 times in 22 years since the last version was approved in 1982. UPDATE July 14, 2009 7:54 am: On Oct. 24, 1982 various congressmen lead by Roberto Micheletti himself tried to introduce legislation calling for a constitutional convention and called for the suspension of articles 373, 374 and 374 which forbid modifying clauses concerning reelection, changing the national borders and other issues that are "set in stone."

Extending presidential term limits could not even be brought up at the proposed constitutional convention, as the old constitution would still be in force. Moreover, President Zelaya would have long been out of office when the proposed convention were actually convoked, as his term ends in November. If the proposed referendum were written to exclude the articles that Mr. Estrada correctly points out cannot be changed, it would comply with the current constitution. It's really quite a reach to accuse him of acts that he did not propose nor can be shown to have contemplated.

Despite this, "everyone knew" turns out to be an argument the Supreme Court also used. On pages 80-81 of the Supreme Court dossier, without offering any constitutional reference, it stated that it was "common knowledge" that he was no longer president, thereby denying him the legal privileges he would have qualified for as a "highest official" accused of criminal conduct. Under Article 416 of the Honduras penal code, he would have been arraigned, tried and sentenced by magistrates drawn from the court itself, with ample protection for his various special legal rights.

Conveniently relieving themselves of these responsibilities, the justices ordered him to be arrest in secret and remanded him to a common criminal court to be tried on charges of treason, usurpation of powers, defiance of court orders and other crimes. The army then defied the Supreme Court order and hustled him off into exile, which was in itself a crime, one of the generals himself admitted later.

Mr. Estrada cynically dismisses President Zelaya's predicament as an immigration matter. More realistically, it's a political matter. Manuel Zelaya has been an incendiary figure in Honduran politics. He raised the minimum wage, allied himself with Hugo Chávez, and gave both the Honduran army and the Supreme Court the finger, clearly making himself a candidate for crucifixion. As far as I'm concerned, he was wrong to go ahead with the encuesta after being forbidden to do so by the Supreme Court, whether or not the court's decision made any sense. To me, it was like the Al Gore decision, illogical, political and without support in constitutional law -- but still a decision by the nation's highest legal authority.

I also feel that Hugo Chávez was also wrong to encourage Zelaya to rupture the status quo. The Obama administration may find it politically convenient to tolerate Chávez, but from a strategic point of view they can't accept his meddling in the internal politics of other nations and disrupting their social peace. Honduras may now be facing civil war. No matter who wins, the same people will still come out on top, just as they did in El Salvador. I think that incremental change would have been more effective.

Coup defenders argue that neither the OAS nor the nations of the world have any right to tell Honduras what to do about its internal affairs. The entire operation violated the terms of the membership of Honduras in the Organization of American States. The Honduran ruling class has been propped up for many years by foreign aid, much of it coordinated or dispensed by the OAS. Now, after having panhandled the world for decades to enrich themselves, they want to tell the OAS to shove it.

One of the most interesting conversations I had while doing my research was with John Dyson, Prof. Emeritus of Spanish and Portuguese, Indiana University, Bloomington, one of the experts who assisted me in untangling some of the most twisted Spanish legalese I have ever had the misfortune to try to comprehend.

At the end he wrote, "This whole thing reads like the first draft of a very bad plagiarism of a García Márquez story." I agreed, but felt only Jorge Luis Borges could have done it full literary justice. Lewis Carroll would have handled it perfectly.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all.

--From Through the Looking Glass

UPDATE July 16, 2009 7:24 am

Honduran prosecutor's house machine-gunned after he denounces coup on CNN

The family of Honduran public prosecutor Jari Dixon Herrera were attacked by police on Tuesday shortly after he made statements to CNN en Español and other international media in Washington denouncing the recent military coup in Honduras. Dixon"s mother"s house, located in the town of Talanga, was first shot at repeatedly by police agents with automatic weapons. The agents then broke the door of the house down and entered the residence, beat Dixon"s mother and arrested and took away his brother.

The attack against Jari Dixons family comes in the wake of the killing of two leaders of the United Democrat Party. On Saturday evening, hooded armed men stormed the house of Roger Bados of San Pedro Sula and shot and killed him in front of his family. That same night, Ramon Garcia was ambushed and killed in the street close to his home in Santa Barbara.

UPDATE July 17, 2009 12:06 PM

Madre de Jari Dixon descarta atentado
Jari Dixon's mother denies attack

In brief: She told La Prensa that police responded to a household violence call involving Dixon's son and daughter-in-law. I wrote to him about it and have not yet received an answer.

UPDATE: July 18, 2009 7:27 am

This will probably be my last update. I feel that's it's needed for the historical record, as this is one of the few articles on the web that offers a comprehensive view in English of the legal issues. In the comments, you'll note a question about why Zelaya would have gone to all this trouble if not to seek reelection. On further research, however, I found out that the reasons for calling a constituent assembly are far more serious than reelection (which can't be modified anyway). Zelaya was aiming at broadening democracy in Honduras by bringing into question issues of criminal prosecution, land tenure, military immunity and the relationship between the presidency and Congress, among others.

From "What Advocates Hoped to Change in the Honduran Constitution"

An interesting statement posted by Honduran indigenous groups, dated July 1, calls for the restoration of the Zelaya government. It includes as its last clause
Jamás claudicaremos a nuestra lucha histórica por una reforma a la constitución política de nuestra patria, en donde se reconozca el Estado multicultural y multilingüe en Honduras; los derechos particulares de nuestros pueblos; por una democracia participativa e incluyente; al consentimiento libre, previo e informado; al reconocimiento y defensa legitima de nuestros territorios y recursos naturales; a la libre determinación de nuestros pueblos; entre otros, así, como lo establecen diversos Tratados, Convenios y Declaraciones internacionales, principalmente el Convenio 169 de la OIT y la Declaración de la Naciones Unidas sobre Derechos de los Pueblos Indígenas.

We will never back down in our historic struggle for a reform of the political constitution of our country, in which will be recognized a multicultural and multilingual State in Honduras; the specific rights of our peoples; a participatory and inclusive democracy; free, prior and informed consent; the recognition and legitimate defense of our territories and natural resources; the free determination of our peoples; among others, as are established in numerous treaties, agreements, and international declarations, principally ILO Agreement 169 and the Declaration of the UN concerning the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

The points listed echo several made by Rodolfo Pastor Fasquelle in his editorial in El Tiempo discussing what proponents of constitutional reform saw as important potential outcomes.

ILO 169 of the UN concerns "indigenous and tribal peoples" and their rights. One of the more unexpected things happening in Honduras over the past 20 years has been the public visibility of such minority groups, and the increasing voice they have had in political action. ILO 169 challenges signatory countries, including Honduras, which ratified it March 28, 1995. ILO 169 calls for specific treatment to be accorded to indigenous peoples in recognition of their status as original inhabitants and as minorities whose cultures are often most threatened by nationalism and development. As Pastor Fasquelle pointed out, the present Honduran constitution does not conform with this and other similar international agreements.

Since all of these modifications can be carried out within the current constitution, they could not be used as evidence of some kind of crime on his part. In fact, there's really not much basis for any of the accusations of criminal acts. This was an entirely illegal military coup that was speciously legitimatized at what appears to have been gunpoint.

Jules Siegel's reporting and social criticism have appeared over the years in Playboy, Best American Short Stories, Library of America's Writing Los Angeles, and many other publications. He has lived and worked in Mexico since 1981, in Cancun since 1983.

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"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all. In his suave but deceptive Los Angeles Times article ("Honduras' non-coup," Jul. 10) on the current Honduras crisis, Migue...
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all. In his suave but deceptive Los Angeles Times article ("Honduras' non-coup," Jul. 10) on the current Honduras crisis, Migue...
 
 
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12:55 AM on 07/26/2009
As an aside, Arias and others have been floating the idea that Zelaya should stop doing, uhhhh, whatever it was that he "wasn't doing" if put back in office. If he wasn't guilty of it, why would they put that as a provision for his return? "No Your Honor, I am not a drug dealer, but if you let me out on the street, I promise I'll stop selling drugs".
04:53 PM on 07/23/2009
Could you give a link or reference to the dossier from the Supreme Court you mention please? (where you mention pages 80-81)
Thanks
08:20 PM on 07/15/2009
I never never, ever denied Zelaya's right to a trial. He is fully entitled to a trial. And I agree that the military was wrong to exile Zelaya instead of imprisoning him.

At the same time I condemn in strongest terms the egregious way Zelaya trampled on all aspects of Honduran law. You don't.
CNN June
""Sunday's referendum will not be stopped," Zelaya said at the entrance of the military
base. Moving the ballots prevented them from being voided or destroyed to comply with the court's ruling of the illegality of the vote.
Zelaya referred to the court as the "Supreme Court of Injustice" after their ruling."
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/25/honduras.general/index.html

Supreme Court Justice Rosalinda Cruz.:
“But as a sovereign and independent nation, we have the right to freely decide to remove a president who was violating our laws”

Cruz said the court issued a sealed arrest order for Zelaya on June 26, charging him with treason and abuse of power, among other offenses.

Zelaya had repeatedly breached the constitution by pushing ahead with a vote about rewriting the nation’s charter that the court ruled illegal, and which opponents contend would have paved the way for a prohibited second term. "
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Jules Siegel
08:21 AM on 07/16/2009
How do you feel about this?

Honduran prosecutor's house machine-gunned after he denounces coup on CNN

http://newsroom-l.net/newsroom/?p=907

The family of Honduran public prosecutor Jari Dixon Herrera were attacked by police on Tuesday shortly after he made statements to CNN en Español and other international media in Washington denouncing the recent military coup in Honduras. Dixon’s mother’s house, located in the town of Talanga, was first shot at repeatedly by police agents with automatic weapons. The agents then broke the door of the house down and entered the residence, beat Dixon’s mother and arrested and took away his brother.

The attack against Jari Dixons family comes in the wake of the killing of two leaders of the United Democrat Party. On Saturday evening, hooded armed men stormed the house of Roger Bados of San Pedro Sula and shot and killed him in front of his family. That same night, Ramon Garcia was ambushed and killed in the street close to his home in Santa Barbara.
07:03 PM on 07/25/2009
Different issue! Unless you can demonstrate that this was orchestrated by the supreme court or members of the congress, rather than unknown people doing bad things. There have also been a lot of ridiculous reports, later determined to be false, coming out of Honduras. Have you verified any of this in the past week or so?
01:27 AM on 07/15/2009
Zelaya defied courts, civil law, Constitution, his own party. the military and the Supreme court.
Zelaya went thru' extraordinary length to print illegal "surveys" forms in another country, tried to sneak them in the country and attempted to muscle said impounded opinion pols from a military base.
And all this furious action because he wanted to run an idle survey??!
I understand this is what Mr. Siegel's proposes. But this notion simply does not pass the test of rationality.
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Jules Siegel
07:36 PM on 07/15/2009
Supposition is not proof. He should have been put on trial, and if convicted, punished according to the terms of the law. You seem to think that's a mere detail. You have no respect for the very democracy that you propose to defend. You think that you're a realist. Stalin would have agreed with you heartily.
08:16 PM on 07/15/2009
Hmm, so in your view those who support the rule of law as per Supreme Court, elected Congress, Attorney General and elected Democratic Liberal party are Stalinists.
And those who support one man's attempt to get himself reelected are.... liberals(?!)
Wow. you're reaching for the very edge of rationality here.
06:40 PM on 07/14/2009
First of all, President Zelaya did not, as Mr. Estrada claims, promote a referéndum, but an encuesta, a survey."

Ah well, since it was called survey and not a referendum then it conforms with Honduran law. Right? Wrong of course.

"Encuesta de Opinión Pública Convocatoria Asamblea Nacional Constituyente’

This so called innocent survey calls for installment of National Constitutional Assembly.
This Assembly would be largely appointed by ex-Prez, of course. And meeting IMMEDIATELY following the elections.
Subject of said Assembly--- Economic reform? Nope. Raising taxes on the rich? Nope.
Extending Zelaya's President term? Bingo.
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Jules Siegel
09:46 PM on 07/14/2009
Please show me exactly where the opinion survey mentions reelection or term extensions. Hint. It doesn't. It asks if a fourth ballot box to consider a referendum on a national assembly should be installed in the November election. Yes. No. That's it. It has no legal effect of any kind.

It couldn't take place iimmediately following the election. There would be more steps to go through. It would probably take up to a year to organize. It could not even bring up presidential terms because the old constitution would still be in force and that is one of the clauses that are cannot be changed, along with presidential term limits, changing the borders and others.

Someone please come up with a new issue.
01:26 AM on 07/15/2009
That's right. No mention of re-election.
Only mention of voting on an constitutional assembly.
Assembled immediately following the election. Controlled by Zelaya. To vote in the Presidential extension. Solely on the strength of "an opinion poll."
Sneaky.
That's a lot of political power oomph for a survey don't you think?
06:28 PM on 07/14/2009
Anyone who believes this was a simple public opinion survey unrelated to the attempt to extend Zelaya's Presidential term should be automatically precluded from commenting on the subject.
06:26 PM on 07/14/2009
"Jose Manuel Zelaya Rosales, followed by hundreds of supporters, led a loud but peaceful protest to a military base in order to personally take possession of thousands of ballots to be used in a contested referendum Sunday."

The referendum at the center of the storm asks voters to place a measure on November's ballot that would allow the formation of a constitutional assembly that could modify the nation's charter to allow the president to run for another term.
Zelaya, whose four-year term ends in January 2010, cannot run for re-election.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/25/honduras.general/index.html
06:21 PM on 07/14/2009
re."President Zelaya did not, as Mr. Estrada claims, promote a referéndum, but an encuesta, a survey."
Ok, you can call it The Iliad for what I care.
But this expressly prohibited by Honduran constitution, common law, Attorney General, Cogress and most of Zelaya's own party.

Which part of the article Article 239 of Honduran Constitution you have trouble with?

"No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President.
Whoever violates this law or PROPOSES ITS REFORM, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will IMMEDIATELY cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years. "
I support Zelaya's leftist agenda but not his brazen attempt to sneak in his own President- for-Life agenda.
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09:01 AM on 07/14/2009
I've added an update: On Oct. 24, 1982 various congressmen lead by Roberto Micheletti himself tried to introduce legislation calling for a constitutional convention and called for the suspension of articles 373, 374 and 374 which forbid modifying clauses concerning reelection, changing the national borders and other issues that are "set in stone." See Micheletti intentó cambiar la Constitución hondureña en 1985
09:34 AM on 07/14/2009
Dude, you miss the point completely. Zelaya broke the law as president in an illegal power grab and did not have the support of his own party, did not have the support of the military, and was specifically ruled against by the supreme court. Forget your 1982 history, the Honduran law in 2009 was being flouted in an attempt to pull off a Venezuelan style dictatorship and the people of Honduras stopped it before it got out of control.

Ever thought of writing an article on why the Taliban deserve to take over Afghanistan?
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Jules Siegel
09:50 AM on 07/14/2009
You have the honor of being the last person I plan to respond to about totally discredited issues.

The people of Honduras stopped nothing because nothing was happening except being asked their opinion about the idea of holding referendum about a constitutional convention in the future. If Zelaya committed any illegal acts, he should have been brought before a court as the Supreme Court ordered and charged under Honduran law.

That's the legal point and there is no there is no other legal point to discuss. I addressed the political issues in my article. I'd suggest you read what I wrote.

That is all. Have a nice day, Internet viewers -- while you still can.
10:41 PM on 07/13/2009
Unlike Jules Siegel, I am not fluent in Spanish. So I can't pretend to be able to go in and read all the Honduran laws, as Siegel claims he has.

But what would Siegel say in response to Octavio Sánchez, a Honduran attorney and former Honduran gov't official? He wrote the following article on July 2, that would seem to disagree with Siegel's reading of Honduran law:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0702/p09s03-coop.html
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07:42 AM on 07/14/2009
It's what I called the telepathy argument -- prosecution by implication. He repeats all the claims that Zelaya just had to be seeking reelection even though there is absolutely no evidence that he was. The earliest the propesed constitutional convention could have taken place would have been about a year after the opinion survey. As I wrote in my article, continuismo couldn't even be raised at the convention because the old constitution would still be in force.

If you look through the negative comments so far they all add up to the same thing. Zelaya was a bad person and we didn't like him and therefore he was guilty of all these crimes. Fine. Prosecute him for the crimes in open court. Seems really simple to me.

Why not distribute the opinion survey and find out what the people of Honduras actually thought? Why not prosecute him under the nation's laws? I guess they didn't want to find out what the people thought and they didn't want to take any chances in court.

It all adds to something like everyone knows that Obamamessiah was born in Kenya and his birth certificate is fake and his name is really Barry Soetero therefore he's not President of the United States. I don't feel that I have to respond to any further to claims that have been very well-discredited and, frankly, don't make much sense, whether legal or logical. If there's another explanation other than "blah blah blah" let's have it.
07:17 PM on 07/25/2009
It appears that if the supreme court and congress get together and decide that he is guilty of seeking contuismo, he *is* guilty. Just as in a jury trial, it doesn't matter what you or I think, it matters what the *jury* says. It is their law to interpret, it is their duty to interpret Zelaya's actions. They did their job. Disagree all you like, but they are Hondurans, you and I are not. All your talk is just more "blah blah blah" to them. You weren't on the jury.
08:19 PM on 07/13/2009
Great work Jules Siegel. It's clear that the naysayers here, to your article are pushing an agenda or are heavily influenced by the propaganda they've been subjected to.

Regrettably I think the corporate and elite interests behind the coup are going to win the day. The US has been tardy in it's visible lack of clear condemnation, under the pretext of not interfering in the state affairs of Honduras. It has become clear that there was advance warning many days before the coup, to the US, who chose to do nothing about it. So much for the lofty words of President Obama during his recent visit to South America.
12:11 AM on 07/14/2009
Blah Blah Blah----corporate and elite interests. I hate to tell you this but his party did not support his power grab, the supreme court did not support this power grab and the people did not support his power grab----especially after he sent out his armed thugs to intimidate government agencies. Let him rot in Venezuela until Chavez is overthrown----then he can go to Cuba.
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07:16 PM on 07/18/2009
Armed thugs? You mean like a military that fires on the house of someone who used his freedom of speech rights to talk to the press, then assaulting and arresting his mother? The ones who shoot unarmed civilians? Are those the thugs you're talking about?

I have an easy solution for you: We'll let Honduras see to its own affairs. At the same time all military and other aid will cease, troops will be withdrawn (no more SF teams instructing the military), and any troops they want to send for training in the states THEY pay for. Freedom comes with a price. Are you willing to pay it?
06:37 PM on 07/13/2009
So, I just got back from Honduras last night, and I don't think this writer has a clue on what is happening in the country. This article is a smokescreen! One can question the legalities all they want, but when the President openly defies all other branches of government, what is a country to do? Had the Fourth Ballot Box been allowed to happen, it would have been disastrous. Zelaya would have manipulated the results to run for re-election no doubt, and a "free and fair" election would have been severly compromised. Iran anyone?

What about the 62 Million Lempiras that were found in Zelaya's office? Sure seemed legal to me....

So you can question the legalities and interpretations of the constitution all you want, but the fact of the matter, is Honduras should be applauded for standing up for their country and taking it back from a would be dictator. THIS is democracy at its FINEST! GO HONDURAS!!!
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Jules Siegel
09:57 PM on 07/13/2009
You can speculate all you want about what if and could be. I don't see how you can defend democracy by dumping due process overboard. It sounds to me that they didn't have a good enough case to prosecute, so they committed some crimes themselves to avoid having a trial. I wonder how you would feel if they pulled that on MIcheletti when his usefulness is over? You like the rule of law when it protects your interests, but not for your competition.
07:08 PM on 07/25/2009
How do you defend democracy by breaking the law and thumbing your nose at the highest court in the land? You use democracy in the false way all liberals do. There is no such thing as this theoretical democracy, it is representative democracy. Therefore, people are appointed or elected to make these determinations. These people told Zelaya he was breaking the law. He didn't back down. He should have been tried rather than evicted but it appears the military did him a favor. Now they should arrest him and try him since that seems to be what he wants.
11:07 AM on 07/14/2009
"What about the 62 Million Lempiras that were found in Zelaya's office? Sure seemed legal to me...."

Can you please provide a link for this?

And please link to something other than the two newspapers that all the coup supporters (Zatara, etc.) keep linking to. In five oligarchic family of owns the paper.

Do you believe the resignation letter was legitimate also?
05:59 PM on 07/13/2009
Thank you Jules. I basically knew the basic information but your details are very helpful in explaining to others more specifically. This is going to be ongoing as the new democracies in Central and South America are being attacked. I was appalled at Fareed Zakarias ignorant statement about Honduras on his Sunday morning show. We must continue to shine light on the truth.
05:51 PM on 07/13/2009
Everyone knew what Zelaya was doing (with the guidance of Chevez and the Castro Brothers). At the naming of the new supreme court members in January, the independent board suddenly found themselves being pressured by Zelaya supporters to name his own people to the supreme court---they had to have security remove the Zelaya defense minister from the meeting. Zelaya then illegally called a plebiscite on rewriting the constitution which is expressly illegal for him to do. When the attorney general announced he would enforce the law against Zelaya, 100 agitators descended on the attorney general's office with weapons threatening to "defend the country's second founding." Zelaya was in the process of an illegal power grab and nothing else. He was using the same tactics Chevez and insurgents in Bolivia used. He was stopped before he turned Honduras into a dictatorship------GO HONDURAS!