Superdelegates and the Rules of the Game

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With the explosive news surrounding Reverend Jeremiah Wright this week, it is even more likely that the so-called superdelegates are going to have an important role in resolving the Democratic presidential nomination contest. The New York Times reported that one of these delegates in Washington State said the scandal "is beginning to reflect negatively on Senator Obama's campaign. I think he's handling it very well but I think it's almost impossible to make people feel comfortable about this." On the other hand, we have seen some superdelegates begin to speak in favor of Obama late this week, before the primaries are even over. Today, Joe Andrew, who served as the head of the DNC from 1999 to 2001, switched his support from Clinton to Obama saying that "I am convinced that the primary process has devolved to the point that it's now bad for the Democratic Party."

Some Democrats insist that these uncommitted delegates should vote for the person who wins the most pledged delegates. Otherwise, they say, the process would be unfair. "It would be a problem," warned House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, "for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided." Other observers go so far as to warn that if the superdelegates make a choice that contradicts the pledged delegate count, chaos will ensue at the convention.

But according to the rules set by the Democratic Party in the 1980s, Democratic activists and journalists should back away from such arguments in order to create an environment where uncommitted delegates can make an independent choice. The choice can be to vote for the candidate with the most delegates or to vote for the other candidate. The rules say that is up to them. These might not be the best rules for the party or for our democracy -- there are very good arguments supporting the critics of the superdelegate system -- but these are the rules that the Democratic National Committee officially established.

Democrats created this group of uncommitted delegates after some members of the party were frustrated by the contentious primary fight between President Jimmy Carter and Senator Edward Kennedy in 1980. Kennedy's supporters did not like Carter, and Democrats remained divided going into the general election. The devastating loss of Senator George McGovern to President Richard Nixon in the 1972 election had also created concerns among Democrats as to whether the party reforms of the 1970s, which weakened the power of party bosses, needed to be modified for the electoral health of the party. Moreover, the Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, Representative Gillis Long of Louisiana, lobbied for the change to give Congress a bigger role in the convention and thus avoid the gulf separating Congress and presidents who won through the post-reform nomination process. This had been a big problem when president Jimmy Carter clashed with a Democratic Congress that felt alienated from him.

Democrats established a commission in 1982 under Governor Jim Hunt of North Carolina to look into the issue. Hunt's commission designed a proposal that would authorize uncommitted Democrats to participate in the convention. The number they proposed was 30% of the delegates. The commission said they wanted to preserve the "traditional" role of the party which was a "mediating institution between citizens and government, as a guide to constituent and rational electoral choice, as a bond pulling the elements of government together for the achievement of positive purposes." The commission agreed that the party reforms of the 1970s had been beneficial by eliminating "secret caucuses, unpublicized procedures, closed slate-making, racial exclusions..." But they said, (the Democratic National Committee agreed in March 1982 without almost any debate), party leaders also should have some role in the selection of the presidential nominee.

Critics warned that this new system would create a class of unaccountable elites -- thus the term superdelegates which was introduced with derision. The proposal seemed like a throwback to the older era of smoke-filled convention halls that the 1970s reforms had intended to eliminate. In the end, Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro brokered a deal that lowered the number of uncommitted delegates to 14 percent. The delegates included members of Congress as well as state and local party officials. This group was expanded over the years to include members of the Democratic National Committee, Governors, distinguished party leaders and a few others. The percentage of uncommitted delegates has increased to about twenty percent.

So that's how we ended up in the current situation. The frustration regarding the uncommitted delegates is similar to the anger many of Clinton's supporters feel about the insistence of Howard Dean and the Democratic National Committee to stick by the decision to discount Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan because the states violated the national party's rules on scheduling. Supporters of this decision argue that Clinton and Obama agreed to these rules, and now must live with them.

If this is the case, and the rules of the primary system are to be rigidly followed, then all Democrats should be prepared to support and encourage superdelegates to reach whatever decision they think best for the party. It's difficult to know which way their votes would go, although recent polls suggest a large number of superdelegates might stick with Obama, despite the recent week's events.

Whether we agree or disagree with the system created in 1982, this is how this game is played. Perhaps some delegates will decide to challenge those rules at the convention, as might very well happen with the Florida and Michigan delegations. That, of course, would be fair game. But unless the rules are changed, the uncommitted delegates of the party should have the opportunity to choose.

Julian E. Zelizer is a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. He is the co-editor of Rightward Bound: Making America Conservative in the 1970s (Harvard University Press). He is currently writing a history of national security politics since World War II that will be published by Basic Books.

 
 

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- S1m0n See Profile I'm a Fan of S1m0n permalink

The argument is utterly sound--superdelegates have a responsibility to vote for the best interests of the party, as they see it--but it is equally true that they must do so while considering the consequences of their vote on the party's grass roots. If they overturn the voters' will, they'd better have a damn good reason and be prepared to share it. If not--if they're voting for a crony, to repay an IOU, or because they've been promised a patronage cookie--then they will be betraying the trust they've been given.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/02/2008
- iLogos See Profile I'm a Fan of iLogos permalink

I agree with this absolutely. A super delegate should feel free to vote for whomever they wish. They also need to remember they are beholden to us. We gave them power and we can take it away. So let them vote... but with or against the person with the most pledged delegates we voters have given, I expect a detailed list of who voted, how they voted, and why they voted that way.

Then we as voters, no matter who you support and no matter how they did, will be able to make informed decisions about what changes we do or do not want to make in our Party and in it's leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 05/06/2008
- Opus007 See Profile I'm a Fan of Opus007 permalink

Once again the Clintons with their collossal egos are pursuing their power grab at the expense of the people. They know when this story breaks it is all over for Hillary.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

Yet they continue to go after money from the donors that can least afford it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 05/02/2008
- RButler See Profile I'm a Fan of RButler permalink

I've been posting a comment about the superdelegates not having to vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates dozens of time for months now and I'm glad you finally wrote this article to inform the Obama followers of the RULES. The supers might consider a lot of variables such as who is the more electable candidate. Who won in what states and if those states would help in November in the Electoral College. There is a ridiculous mix of caucuses and primaries and then there's Texas with both. A pledged delegate in California represents 1/10th the number of actual voters as a pledged delegate does in Idaho's caucus. As a CA voter, I don't like that but it's the rules. Since the 50 states do not have equal populations, the comments that Obama won more states is nonsense. California probably equals the population of a about a dozen small states combined. This isn't the Senate with 2 senators for each state, so don't give me that malarkey. This is the Democratic Party rules not the U.S. Constitution. Some of you mix them up.

Lastly, the supers should take the threat of the Obama followers of a riot at the convention into account and NOT let themselves be threatened by these folks. If they are, the future of the party will be really bad. You know, rewarding bad behavior and giving in to threats and all that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 05/02/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

You don't get it do you . The voters in this country want their votes to count they don't want a super-deligate deciding for them and they shouldn't even if the rules say they can vote for whoever they want .
To disenfranchize the majority rule believe me would cause a lot of problems for the party .It would be stealing the vote of all those people who voted for Obama and I think they know that . The super-deligates were suppose to be used to break a tie not to change the whole race when one candidate is leading by as many votes as Obama is and vote for the candidate that is behind in votes .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 05/04/2008
- foreffectivegovernment See Profile I'm a Fan of foreffectivegovernment permalink

"Democrats created this group of uncommitted delegates after some members of the party were frustrated by the contentious primary fight between President Jimmy Carter and Senator Edward Kennedy in 1980. Kennedy's supporters did not like Carter, and Democrats remained divided going into the general election. The devastating loss of Senator George McGovern to President Richard Nixon in the 1972 election had also created concerns among Democrats as to whether the party reforms of the 1970s, which weakened the power of party bosses, needed to be modified for the electoral health of the party."
Senator Edward Kennedy strikes again. Although Jimmy Carter had won by a 2-1 majority of pledged delegates, Senator Kennedy would not shake his hand, thus telling his supporters not to support President Carter. This lead to the election of Ronald Reagan with the help of the Reagan Democrats who were Kennedy supporters who would not vote for Jimmy Carter.
In this nomination race, Senator Kennedy is supporting Senator Obama to spite Bill Clinton, originally giving Senator Obama credibility as a viable candidate, and creating the same situation. Senator Edward (Teddy) Kennedy strikes again. Who has tried to destroy the Democratic Party, TWICE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 05/01/2008
- amblush617 See Profile I'm a Fan of amblush617 permalink

FINALLY!!! I Voice of reason ... I get so angry at my TV when I hear pundits & others say that the SUper Delegates needs to vote for Obama instead of Hillary ... They need to vote for the good of the party & country FIRST!! .. Who will be able to carry the election against McCain .. I feel Hillary is the best choice ...

And these people who demand that Hillary quit before all the people gets to vote is UnAmerican!! Let the process go forth .. let everyone vote & go to the convention in Denver. Yes, you will have some who won't vote if their Candidate isn't selected, there's always some out there who will do that, no matter what .. it's just this time .. the supporters of both are very vocal on line ... Screaming their opinions, instead of looking at the result ...

I find it odd, that on several blogs now, the BO supporters are talking about rioting if BO doesn't get it. This is not the voice of reason, but a mob mentality that's too scarey to imagine ... though, I don't have to imagine, I remember the riots of the 60's very well ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/01/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

Do the math ! There is no way other than stealing the vote that Hillary can match Obama's votes even if she does stay in till the end.
All the other candidates both Dems and Republicans dropped out when they knew the numbers weren't there for them to win all except for Hillary who still thinks she can sway the super-deligates to chose her and steal this election or for the DNC to seat Fla and Michigan and count their votes which she signed a statement not to count and Obama's name in Michigan wasn't on the ballot so that contest wasn't even a contested one giving her an unfair advantage .
Come on Hillary is tearing the party apart by staying in hoping to pull off a coup.
The longer this goes on the more damage this will have to the candidate that is nominated giving McCain the advantage. Is that what you Hillary supporters really want to see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 05/04/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

I'm sorry but you are all wrong in thinking Obama can't win McCain !
Republican's have been hoping Hillary will win because they know she doesn't have the majority of the voters behind her and she is not well liked in Washington. She is not at all the best candidate for the party and certainly not the best candidate for the nation.
My Republican sister has been trying so hard to turn me off on Obama and she is praising Hillary .This is a woman who hated Hillary and is voting for McCain .So what does that tell you about what the republican's think of Hillary as the nominee ? It tells me that the Republican's think McCain who is a weak candidate might be able to beat Hillary but they know he can't beat Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 05/04/2008
- jhink465 See Profile I'm a Fan of jhink465 permalink

This is how I see the calculus. The super delegates can vote how they like. If the theory is that they should vote for the candidate they think will win in November, they will need to factor in the voters wishes at the risk of having them sit it out if the supers don't vote the peoples choice. African Americans and the young vote have stated their views quite clearly on this and hoping they will "come around" come election day is a pipe dream. The supers thwarting the people's choice would not make for a winning candidate in November. So it seems clear to me that if they want a winning candidate in November, they will have to go with the people's choice like it or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 05/01/2008
- RButler See Profile I'm a Fan of RButler permalink

There have been polls showing that more Obama supporters would vote for Hillary if she's the nominee than Hillary supporters will vote for Obama. So, if those polls remain the same by the convention, it would seem to undercut your assertion since Hillary's supporters might stay home or vote for McCain and the supers should take that into account when deciding. Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 05/02/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

Name the polls ? Because that is not what I saw !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 05/04/2008
- RichLiberal See Profile I'm a Fan of RichLiberal permalink

There's another "rule" of the game that Pelosi and Dean have been constantly ignoring. That is the fact that the SuperDelegates can change their minds at any time up until they vote at the Convention. We have seen examples of this with long term Hillary supporter John Lewis being strong-armed by Jesse Jackson Jr to switch to Obama or face an opponent in fall election. We have seen it again today with Judas Joe Andrew of Indiana switching from Hillary to Obama on the eve of the Indiana primary. I wonder who promised what to this sleazeball.

But, the main point is that these two and others have shown is that a SuperDelegate's "commitment" is worth exactly ZERO, because if someone offers them a better deal tomorrow, they can switch again. Having broken their commitment once already, why not do it again.

The only thing that they can't switch is the vote they cast at the Convention. And, as the author of this article explains, no one can tell them how to vote.

So, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean are wasting their breath trying to get the SDs to "commit". They can't "commit" in any meaningful way. Who's to say they are not being pressured and will vote differently which is their right at the Convention.

This struggle cannot end before the Convention without someone breaking the rules, and if they do that they will permanently fracture the Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/01/2008
- charlesrfd2003 See Profile I'm a Fan of charlesrfd2003 permalink

I think the rules are fine. You need some way to make a decision that is final. The super delegates are usually elected officials. They are the party professionals. They want the strongest ticket that will pull the entire ticket from President through Congress down to the lowest elected local official. I expect and hope that these will broker peace between both camps that brought so many into the political process.

If you get to a convention where the decision is not decided on the first ballot, you really get a backroom deal. Still the backroom in that situation is better than the deals in so many countries where the generals and maybe the colonels in the army decide.

Too bad it cannot be decided cleanly. If you want to blame anybody, try the Republicans in Michigan and Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 05/01/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

I think the American people are smart enough to chose their own candidate . This whole thing of deligates and super-deligates should be done away with and let the people do the deciding since it is us who pay the taxes that run this country .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 05/04/2008
- CitizenHuff See Profile I'm a Fan of CitizenHuff permalink

SuperDelegates and the opportunity to throw away an election. It just seems that the Democratic Leaders have a desire to lose and so they do. Perhaps they are so philosophically inclined to believe that everyone should, and does, believe as they do that their points of view will prevail. They refuse to learn the lesson of 2000 and 2004. Good intentions do not always prevail.
It should be obvious that Obama will not win the Presidency. No matter how much we liberals want it in our hearts, the heartland of America will not elect a Black President. As I have written before, After the first Republican supporters Ads that, "He won 92% of the Black vote in Pennsylvania, 85% of the Black vote
in . . . etc., etc Are His values the same as your.You know John McCain's values are! Vote for John McCain, an American Hero!', or Ads to that effect. The "Swiftboat' misinformation machine is effective. Please don't tell me that the SuperDelegates should follow the popular vote if you don't count Florida and Michigan. Bush won the popular vote in 2004. Great decision, wasn't it?
Hillary Clinton can win the Presidency. Obama will not, even though he will get my vote if he is the Democratic candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 05/01/2008
- quest44 See Profile I'm a Fan of quest44 permalink

I should believe you why ?
Bush did not win the popular vote in 2004 the voting machines were rigged and the majority of us know it . Maybe you didn't read that memo !
The votes in Michigan and Florida were not counted because they broke the rules and while that wasn't the fault of the voters it still stands because the candidates agreed not to campaign in either state and Obama took his name off the ballot so unless you have a revote to count those votes as they stand would never be fair to Obama who didn't not only not campaign in Florida he didn't have the voter recognition that Hillary did from being first lady and in politic's longer than Obama and he didn't get the votes in Michigan because he wasn't on the ballot .Totally different than disenfranchizing voters whose states followed the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 05/04/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery permalink

My name is generaldelivery and I approved CitizenHuff's message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 05/01/2008
- britethere See Profile I'm a Fan of britethere permalink

Yeah Right. That's why the GOP Hacks are pimping for Hillary: In case you've missed it:Rush Limbah, Pat Buchanan, Coulter, Scarborough, Hannity, Scaithe, BillO, Fox News, Rove, Gingrich. They are ready and have been for years for Bosnia Billary.

That aside if they take the nomination away from the candidates with the most States, Elected Delegates, Popular Vote, it would split the party in half and 40% of the base would stay home. 4 Clinton SD and a ton of operatives have switched from Clinton to Obama...none have gone to Clinton from Obama. In addition since March 5 Obama 84 Sd Hillary 10 lost 4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 05/01/2008
- RButler See Profile I'm a Fan of RButler permalink

Which is it everyone?

If the republicans want Hillary to win the nomination to run against her and bring out their base.

OR

Polls show that if Hillary loses the nomination, more of her supporters will stay home or vote for McCain than the reverse if Obama loses the nomination.

Is this 3 dimensional chess or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/02/2008
- wrabbitt See Profile I'm a Fan of wrabbitt permalink

would the real American candidate please stand up? HRC is not in this category. Her backbone has been missing for several years, and her sight must be failing to have missed bill cheating for 20 years, Her Health care plan is dictated by and for health care money, Obama is a new face in American politics he hasn't been trained in the two face form of government we are used to, Are people afraid he will fail so don't try it? In the last twenty years no promise made has been kept except the one about the giant sucking sound, remember? we were warned and did nothing, we have another chance to make a change for the better. don't miss this one we may be out of chances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 05/01/2008
- BatedBreath See Profile I'm a Fan of BatedBreath permalink

The Democratic Party primary process needs to be reconfigured from the beginning to the end. Supers should not be part of the process ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 05/01/2008
- dumboldman See Profile I'm a Fan of dumboldman permalink

Come on now! The Democratic Party has always been led by "Party Bosses". They selected Franklin, John, & Bill. When the people choose look who we got. Adlai, Mc, Mike, Jimmy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/02/2008
- britethere See Profile I'm a Fan of britethere permalink

Yeah sure, Just watch the streets in Denver.... and half the base stay home.
Why does sleaze and conflict always follow the Clintons?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 05/01/2008
- Bobrobert See Profile I'm a Fan of Bobrobert permalink

ROFLMAO Get real folks. There is this thing called power. Power is the end all to control all. The Dems want to be sure that they elect a candidate that will win. The only way to do that is to control the outcome of the race. You control the outcome of the race by giving 800 + people the ability to change the voters decision. If you don't believe that the 800 Dems with the controlling votes care about what the voters think and do - ask yourself why they are the supers. There is only one reason for supers - the only reason for supers is to change the outcome of the voters decision.

We have a no brainer here!!!

CHANGE the outcome of the voters decision to the CHOICE of the party elite = the only reason for the supers existance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/01/2008
- RButler See Profile I'm a Fan of RButler permalink

If it were to happen that either candidate met the 2024 threshold of pledged delegates then he/she would be the nominee and the supers would be irrelevant at that point. It would be over. But, the rules are that the supers don't have to vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates votes if he/she doesn't meet the 2024 threshold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 05/02/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin permalink

"But unless the rules are changed, the uncommitted delegates of the party should have the opportunity to choose."

"Should" has nothing to do with it. They DO have the opportunity to choose. They'll make their choice and live with the consequences. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 05/01/2008
- Hud53 See Profile I'm a Fan of Hud53 permalink

I feel so frustrated! Why don't you people focus on the fact that this is not merely an exercise in which side makes the most coldly logical argument on the history and funtioning of superdelegates. We MUST elect a Democrat in the Fall. Our country's future urgently depends upon it. We must do what is necessary to maximize that prospect. McCain would be a disaster.

I sympathize with Hillary having been shocked by the emergence of Obama, and her right to have fought back for the nomination. However, the time to withdraw has long since expired. Her conduct has become UNPATRIOTIC. She clearly thinks of herself way ahead of the good of the country, and the party. She wreaks of selfishness. Please, please, get out of the way so we can win in November and move on with change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 05/02/2008
- netgecko99 See Profile I'm a Fan of netgecko99 permalink

We can only hope that they choose to cast their vote to support the democratic majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 05/01/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin permalink

agreed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/01/2008