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Gitmo and Hypocrisy: Selectively Living by the Intentions of the Founders and the Bible

Posted: 01/18/2012 1:42 pm

Ten years after the opening of the prison at Guantanamo, I'm asking where are those religious right activists and tea partiers who want to return America to standards they think the Founders intended.

Proponent of "Christian American History" David Barton assumes the Founding Fathers had a single discernible intention that we can know today and that we are bound by today. He claims that they were referring to the "right to life" in the abortion debate when they sought to protect life, liberty and property. He has argued that the prohibition on quartering soldiers in the Third Amendment was recognition of the biblical "sanctity of the home." He says that the Founders settled the controversy over human origins in favor of creationism. He thinks the relative silence on God/religion in the Constitution is over-ridden by the Declaration of Independence (because it contains the phrase "inalienable rights endowed by the creator") and he thinks the First Amendment religion clauses apply only to Christians and Jews (and maybe, but probably not, Muslims). You can read what I have written about him here and here.

The tea partiers and the religious right follow Barton and insist that their understanding of the Constitution is the same as the Founders'. They invoke this as their source of legitimacy: "Return to the Constitution!" They cry.

Yet exactly half of those first 10 amendments in the Constitution, that we call the Bill of Rights, explicitly protect the rights of the accused. They limit searches and seizures by government; they prohibit incarceration without due process; they require a speedy trial by jury and the right to confront witnesses; and they prohibit excessive bail and cruel punishment.

There is little ambiguity about the revered Founders' views on these matters; these protections were, indeed, designed to limit the power of an over-reaching abusive government. And indeed, that they thought these rights were "inalienable" means that they are not just rights that American citizens have; they are rights human beings have. Yet the loudest proponents of limited government, those who would elevate the Founding Fathers to a level some might consider idolatry, do so only when it suits their interests.

Just as they drop their advocacy for limited government when it comes to subsidies and support for their preferred forms of family, the regulation of recreational use of substances they oppose, and government with guns sent all around the world, we hear no call from them to look to the intentions of the Founding Fathers on imprisoning people who have not been charged with crimes and have had no chance to defend themselves. On this they are absolutely silent about the Founders and limited government.

But it's not just the Founding Fathers who sought to protect the innocent from over-zealous prosecution, this principle is present even the "eye for an eye" books of the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. In Genesis (18:23-25) Abraham successfully challenged God on the injustice of punishing the innocent along with the guilty.

"Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[a] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing -- to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Its seems that Barton and his tribe only invoke the Bible when it suits their interests too. We could use a little more literalism on this one.

 
 
 

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unbeliever7
Progress is Good
02:12 PM on 01/23/2012
Gitmo is a dark room deep in the recesses of a serial killer's basement, away from the prying eyes of neighbors, police, etc. He or she has an obvious method in the madness, but lives in fear that anyone who helps in the killing and torture might have a change of heart and tell authorities. This fear is mitigated only by the knowledge that the message from any snitch would never reach anyone who would stop the vile processes. The perpetrator is comforted by the observed history that any witness has, #1-no voice; #2-no credibility against the all-powerful righteous serial killer, and #3-How many people really care, anyway?After all, the victims are "enemies of the U.S" and there are so many super bowls to watch, American Idols to adore, and Sunday Services to attend, there is little time nor inclination to reflect on voices which criticize this great country.
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Dave24
Without God, life is everything.
06:26 AM on 01/19/2012
We could use the writings and speeches of another Ingersoll:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/
11:53 PM on 01/18/2012
Isn't all philosophy interpreted selectively?
Satirist1
All 4 d best in the best of all possible worlds
08:03 PM on 01/18/2012
Fact:Indefinite Detention of foreign combatants is EXPLICITLY permitted by ALL international agreements-- including Geneva and Hague.
The Christian doctrine directly applicable to this situation is Jesus admonition:"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." Mathew 22:21
Religious leaders who presume to speak on areas of international law such as detention of foreign nationals are advised to meditate on the above Biblical passage. At length.
06:04 PM on 01/18/2012
You are being very disingenuous and your characterization of Barton's views is mendacious. It is completely consistent with the constitution and the Bible to hold enemy combatants that are not in the US at gitmo and try them with military tribunals rather than clog civilian courts with them. Not every person in every corner of the world in war and not in war has to be repatriated to the US to face trial, especially during a time of war.

Simply because you use military tribunals for enemy combatants who are not American citizens, does not mean that the innocent are not protected from "overzealous prosecution."

"Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[a] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?" Our history and the Bible are replete with examples in which a righteous action is taken even when it is know that some non-guilty people will be killed in times of war.
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Basselope
Member of the 1% and I support OWS!
06:20 PM on 01/18/2012
The very concept of holding potentially innocent in such a place is inconsistent with the bible.

but then anyone who ACTUALLY read the bible would understand that.
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Robert Kilbourne
05:56 PM on 01/18/2012
See nothing from what was expected. Dumping on the Tea Party is staple here, buy no argument on why Guantanamo is being brought up. What is the point her other than trying to say how bad the Tea Party is. No point in this article other than a waste of space.
03:23 PM on 01/18/2012
They are enemy combatives and we are at war last I checked...
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tracerhaha1
It's time to end the war on (some) drugs.
05:14 PM on 01/18/2012
The last time I looked at the constitution I must have missed the clause where it said the these rights only apply in times of peace.
03:41 AM on 01/19/2012
it's hiding in the imaginary clause that states our inalienable rights should extend to foreigners