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Egyptians Wonder: Where Is the U.S.?

Posted: 02/03/11 12:40 AM ET

I just hung up the phone with an Egyptian friend and university colleague who is living in Cairo. Today, the situation in Egypt took a violent turn, as the thousands who have gathered in Tahrir Square to protest Mubarak were met with pro-Mubarak "thugs" and policemen on horses and camels. It is generally understood, in Egypt and abroad, that these "thugs" are in fact highly organized, plainclothes policemen who "held Mubarak's regime together in the dank corridors of the Interior Ministry," as Cameron Abadi writes in Foreign Policy. Andrea Groves, a graduate student at AUC who is currently in Jordan, has written about food, cash, and mobile phone top-up shortages, and that the areas surrounding Tahrir (Mohamed Mahmoud, Bab el-Louq) are desperately in need of medical supplies.

But the question on my friend's mind (who will be called SR at her request) -- the question she, a citizen of Egypt, asked me, an American -- is: Why is the US not taking a firm stand against Mubarak, calling for him to resign immediately, as the people have demanded? We discussed the political ramifications of such an act; it is obvious that the United States' main interest is in keeping Egypt's government stable, especially when the threat of the Muslim Brotherhood looms as Mubarak's primary opposition party.

"Yes," she said, "But no one in Egypt wants the Muslim Brotherhood. They're being used as a scapegoat to stir up fear -- and everyone knows this in Egypt. The 'threat of the Muslim Brotherhood' is like the 'threat of the boogeyman' today. We want peace, the people want rights, that is all, and most people know the Muslim Brotherhood is not good for the Egyptian people."

On the telephone, SR continued:

The only reason why Mubarak was able to organize, was able to send in these policemen to use violence, is because he has some tentative support from the United States -- or at least, he knows the United States will not call for his immediate resignation. He's holding on because he knows he can. Why won't they help us? Why won't they put more pressure on Mubarak to resign?


The truth is, nobody knows exactly what kind of exchange took place between Obama and Mubarak when they met briefly last week. We don't know what's being passed around behind closed doors, or what kinds of orders are being carried out. Conspiracy theories aside, however, SR was insistent that the anti-American sentiments in the streets are growing, mainly because the Egyptian people cannot understand why America, which stands for freedom and democracy in the eyes of many, would not support a people who want basic rights and freedom from a corrupt, totalitarian government.

"If the international community doesn't do something to support these 10,000 Egyptians now," SR said, "they will eventually have to deal with 80 million angry Egyptians, who, when Mubarak's regime does end, will see the United States and its allies as agents of Mubarak's corruption."

To put it simply, as violence and corruption begin to dominate the scene in Tahrir, more and more Egyptians are beginning to see the United States as not a political bystander, but rather as a nation that has supported Mubarak and is more than willing to turn a blind eye when his government uses violence towards peaceful protesters. Just as Mubarak's promise to "not run again" is not enough, it is also not enough for the United States merely to "condemn" the violence that is taking place as these words are being written.

"People are dying in the streets. I just don't understand. We continue to demand peace, basic human rights, a free government that we elect, and freedom from fear. Why is that so hard for the governments of the rest of the world to understand?"

Mubarak needs to step down and the United States and other countries need to call for his immediate resignation.

 
I just hung up the phone with an Egyptian friend and university colleague who is living in Cairo. Today, the situation in Egypt took a violent turn, as the thousands who have gathered in Tahrir Squar...
I just hung up the phone with an Egyptian friend and university colleague who is living in Cairo. Today, the situation in Egypt took a violent turn, as the thousands who have gathered in Tahrir Squar...
 
 
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:06 PM on 02/03/2011
gee, seems a bit of a problem here. 1. don't you hate the US? and 2. isn't part of the reason you dislike the US is because it tries to intervene too often in other nations' "personal" business? 3. and every time the US does try to "influence" affairs in other countries isn't it assumed to be for "US interests only"?

Just like in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, personally, I feel we should STAY OUT of the affairs of other countries because if we get involved in your country we will be criticized out the wazoo (American vernacular) plus we will spend tons of OUR money "assisting" your country which we will never get back and whcih will most probably be used to cement your next "dictatorship" in power.
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SPQR1775
05:03 PM on 02/03/2011
Funny how so many want us to intervene...lol, I don't see too many Politicians of the GOP stripe joining the US military and for that matter 99% of Jewish Americans often tell Army Recruiters in the US that they will gladly fight in the Israeli Army before they join the US Military, and that is what I called shameful. Let the truth be told, why do Israel want Mubarak in office, because if Israel can maintain relations with a dictator or have dictators that propp up its shameful ways and attack on the Palestinians it get a cover. With new reality on the ground and an awakened Egyptian population and a Democratic one, Israel then becomes the issue in the Middle East for all to see. Maybe a new goverment in Egypt will also FORCED Israel goverment to WAKE UP and give PEACE AND SELF RULE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. CHANGE IS MOVING JUST LIKE A RIVER in the MIDDLE EAST. I LOVE IT....THE SANDS ARE SHIFTING RIGHT UNDER THEIR FEET....HOORAH FOR FUTURE V.P. HR CLINTON AND PRESIDENT OBAMA!
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intotheabyss
Imperialism is a form of insanity.
05:01 PM on 02/03/2011
Perhaps the reason Washington has had such a tepid response to the uprising in Egypt is because under the thin veneer of democracy, we are not all that different from the political structure in Egypt. Since 911 we have been under emergency law just like Egypt. Obama has renewed this law every year up to the present. It gives the executive broad powers over the rest of us.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/us-might-be-much-more-gilded-cage-than.html

Would he use these broad powers if the streets in this country filled up with people demanding that bank fraudsters be prosecuted? Especially after they crash the economy again? The idealistic young in Egypt have bought into the US marketing campaign and are now learning that what they were sold is a cheap imitation.
04:50 PM on 02/03/2011
The US is busy with it's own two-party dictatorship.
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imdesign
Expression is Everything.
04:43 PM on 02/03/2011
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
03:54 PM on 02/03/2011
But seriously, it is a tricky situation. Mubarak got a lot of money from USA, but he was a good servant. Who knows whether the new guy will be obedient...
04:12 PM on 02/03/2011
I am not a betting man, but on this horse I would be the farm that they will not.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:08 PM on 02/03/2011
we need to get out of the world power business and let the Egyptians handle this one on their own or else with the help of other Arab Muslim nations
03:48 PM on 02/03/2011
forget Egypt, lets pick on Iran again..
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:09 PM on 02/03/2011
forget the whole region. tremendous waste of money just to have minimal influence over dictators and greed heads.
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Holly Smoke
Humor is the best defense for absurdity.
03:30 PM on 02/03/2011
"If you got no oil, American not interested." Said the boss.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:09 PM on 02/03/2011
we got to get paid some way for all the $ we drop on these countries
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hieagle
03:17 PM on 02/03/2011
Yes... poverty is a big part of Egypt's problem, so's I suppose they should just roll over and starve to death...?!!!
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:10 PM on 02/03/2011
I am up for carpet bombing them with American junk food if it will get the next generation of jihadists hooked on Four Loko.
03:01 PM on 02/03/2011
The US has stated they want change NOW. What else can we do? Israel is our solid ally. It's like a divorce, always delicate to see who you side with. We are siding however on people's aspiration to freedom. It is the right thing to do, and is really all we can do at the moment. The fact that this is a grass roots uprising is the best scenario and the best chance to achieve some kind of democratic reform. The last thing we want, although we have stubbornly done it in the past, is to be seen as imposing a solution or a regime. It is up to the Egyptian people to do that.
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cassie reinara
02:39 PM on 02/03/2011
Sorry. We only bring Democracy to those countries we "forcibly invade" (see latest Republican legislation) You see how well things are working out in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Donald Fannin
01:57 PM on 02/03/2011
I think Obama and Clinton have made it clear they are for democracy and freedom. If you read any US newspaper or watch any TV it is clear that the American Press is siding with the anti-government demonstrators. (That is why they are being arrested. But this is Egypt. If freedom and democracy is to be won it must be won by Egyptians. If they want it's their blood that will have to purchase it. If they want it they should not worry about whether the US government is cheer leading the effort. Players win games not cheerleaders.
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vagabond78666
04:56 PM on 02/03/2011
I agree 100% What does the author of this article want,American troops on the ground? Several politician have called for him to step down.
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SPQR1775
05:06 PM on 02/03/2011
Agreed, CHANGE is not always easy, not always bloodless, but our founding fathers say that from time to time the goverment must be transformed by the blood and idea's of the people, paraphraseing. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE....POWER TO THE PEOPLE. The only way CHANGE ever happen is when the majority demands it, when they örganized and mobilized and BE THE CHANGE!" President OBAMA as candidate 2008, he is such a Messiah!
01:54 PM on 02/03/2011
Drive to work, listen to NPR , get into my cube, boot up computer, and stream Democracy Now.

NPR had a reporter look out his window to tell me what he sees, Democracy Now has Sharif Abdel
Kouddous, their Senior Producer, out on the front line interviewing people and broadcasting
their voices to me at great personal risk.

NPR mirrors Obama’s tepid response. Obama’s high minded rhetoric of Cairo in 2009 contrasts with his guarded and cautious approach now and creates a real sense of democratic dissonance.

We live in a Hypocracy(sic) Democracy….
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:12 PM on 02/03/2011
I'm not sure what you think we could or should do.

I doubt a dictator will repond to anything less than military force. You want to go there? again?

Hell No I wouldn't Go
08:09 PM on 02/03/2011
We are already there. We should look at what we have been doing there for the past 30 years.We provide between 1.5 and 2 billion in aid. We have a long history of supporting Mubarak. We have influence, diminishing by the hour though it may be, we should exert it on behalf of the people. Otherwise, it's all a lot of hypocrisy.
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CitizenZoe
01:47 PM on 02/03/2011
Do people in the Middle East really care about what the USA thinks? For the past decade and a half it doesn't appear that way - much of it probably well deserved. As far I can tell we have supported Mubarak for his tenure as Dictator (how democratic of us) and have concerns, legitimate, about the transfer of power. Just because you decided to have a revolution a week ago to over throw your government doesn't grant you immediate support from anyone. That is reality - people need to get educated on facts.

And do Americans care? Our own democratic process is diseased and borderline pathological. It almost feels hypocritical to be the standrad of democracy when lobbyists pull the strings and people like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck have become leaders.

In short - America has lost her integrity to lead the fight for freedom. Two wars, the rest of the world telling us how much we suc.k, a broken economy by our own hand, and a political system so disconnected from the people they are supposed to be representing - Yeah, sorry Egypt - we got our own issues. We may be joining you in the streets not too long from now.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
05:13 PM on 02/03/2011
I don't want to lead any fantasy "fight for freedom". I would just be happy if we could get our shizzle together and pull THIS country out of the toilet.
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01:40 PM on 02/03/2011
I can believe that Murburak will do anything to stay in power, including sending out groups of people (namely his supporters- what one's he's got left- and ex police, who basically got paid the equivalent of $8 to start strife), but what I CAN'T believe is how many people expect OUR President to do something about it!

What is he SUPPOSED to do? Go the Bush route, and interfere, in order to keep oil prices low? Bring the military into the fracas, and involve our economy & defense system in their business? Or perhaps maybe Obama should just declare a "war on terror" & go into Egypt full speed ahead! (lol)

I mean seriously people! President Obama is playing this cool, as well he should! This is NOT OUR FIGHT.

What we need to do is support the good Egyptian people over there through our voices, through our media (as best as we can) and by sending aid to the protesters if possible. THAT'S IT.

Anything else would be the equivalent of "taking sides", and getting involved... something I didn't most Liberals wanted our gov't doing anymore when it came to international affairs!

Or have our minds changed now that there's a Democrat in office?
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vagabond78666
04:58 PM on 02/03/2011
agreed