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Karen Finney

Karen Finney

Posted: November 10, 2009 01:28 PM

Stupak Amendment Threatens the Rights of Every American

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The members of Congress who voted in support of the Stupak amendment sent a message to America's women: after more than 200 years we are still not full citizens of the United States. Apparently members of Congress now believe that it is within their power to determine what legal medical procedures are acceptable. And under the health care plan passed over the weekend, American women should not count themselves among those who have full access to quality affordable health care, just partial access. But listen up fellas - you should be worried too because if they can do it to us they can do it to you.

The Republicans and Democrats who voted for the amendment have clearly decided that big government has a major role in controlling our personal health care decisions and Congress' ability to flat out deny access to a legal procedure. If you follow the logic of the Stupak amendment, a Congressional majority could also decide that under the plan tax payer dollars cannot be used to pay for the use of a defibrillator during a heart attack, only manual CPR. Or, that all surgery should have a local instead of general anesthesia, despite the consequences for the patient. As an American citizen I do not believe that the government should have a say in making determinations about what is appropriate for my or anyone else's health care as long as I'm following the law.

And once again, a group of mostly white men have decided to put additional burdens and increased difficulties of women - particularly low-income women. And this same group will of course not want to be responsible or offer assistance when that same woman is struggling to care for her children. Women already make less money than men - which means less money to pay for health care. We know that women statistically pay more for their health care than men. So less money for more expensive basic care. Now we are saying to women that the personal feelings of members of Congress can come before the legal rights of an American citizen.

Despite how you feel about a woman's right to make up her own mind about her health care, every American should see this for what it is: an attack on our personal freedom and liberty as guaranteed by the constitution. President Obama and Democrats in the Senate must stand up against this tyranny. The personal feelings of a group of Congressional members cannot be put ahead of the legal rights of American citizens. This is not just a woman's issue; it's an American issue.

 

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The members of Congress who voted in support of the Stupak amendment sent a message to America's women: after more than 200 years we are still not full citizens of the United States. Apparently memb...
The members of Congress who voted in support of the Stupak amendment sent a message to America's women: after more than 200 years we are still not full citizens of the United States. Apparently memb...
 
 
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lalilyman
12:39 PM on 01/26/2010
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08:38 AM on 11/15/2009
What you got wrong is that abortion is not a medical procedure. It is the taking of a life. The amendment does not control anyone's personal health care decisions: if women want an abortion they can pay for it with their own funds.
06:21 PM on 11/11/2009
Good argument and certainly it takes the high ground. But all these *men* understand is push back and exertion of power. If these men were open to your argument, then they would not have let this occur. This is going to lose the Party some support it takes for granted. I have no problem expressing my dissatisfaction, that's the way of democracy. * They* may have a problem with a voting block like myself abandoning the Party.

It's a human issue, sure. But now it's not one issue of access to medical care, anymore. It's now that we all see how little we are valued. That's something that cannot be undone, and perhaps it was a favor to a group lulled into complacency.
06:06 PM on 11/11/2009
A message to all woman who think abortion is about you and your body!!!

Throughout history "woman" has been the one who paid the price for man!

Man has never cared truly about woman, he just uses her for his own needs!

That being said, you think man cares about your abortion, he's the one that got you pregnant in the first place!!! 67% of all abortions preformed in the USA are preformed by men!! They don't care what your womb feels like!!

You've been used!!!! This is only about one thing POPULATION CONTROL!!!! The global elite have been planning this for 50 years!!! You have been used as a vehicle to kill millions of children! Way to go!!! When I talk to liberal woman, they always use abortion a ugly and negative thing in life to rally around!! Wow, that's so brilliant of you all!
06:04 PM on 11/11/2009
We live in a society interpedently of each other. How we act (& eat!) has consequences on the rest of us regardless of gender. If a woman gets an unwanted pregnancy another person participated to that. This days, almost everybody is a victim of ADS (American Diet Syndrome). Shall the Congress legislate our diet so we can be a perfect society? For a country with so many scientific achievements, it’s a shame to have political “leaders” way bellow the demands of our time or any time for this matter!
Health Care is a human right that cannot be denied to any member of our society!
05:41 PM on 11/11/2009
Even if a billion people believe the lie that myth is truth that does not make myth into truth. Truth is not a popularity contest or a fashionable way of making up one's mind about the existence of one totality. Truth is a set of ideas about the existence of one totality that can be verified to be true by use of our senses and perceptions. I believe the American people would benefit greatly from a government that demonstrates greater respect for truth and logic.
05:57 PM on 11/11/2009
Myth is myth. Those who claim that myth is truth make themselves into liars. At the very least, religious organizations run by leaders who repeat the lie that myth is truth should be taxed just like any other entertainment industry business. Mendacity is not justified in the interests of crime prevention because mendacity is itself a crime and a source of crime. As such, an additional vice tax similar to those imposed on the sale of tobacco, alcohol, and gambling should be imposed on religious leaders who repeat the lie that myth is truth. They should also be required from time to time to make a disclaimer to the effect that the education and leadership provided is for entertainment purposes only. Just like telephone psychics are required to do.
06:10 PM on 11/11/2009
Lying is anti-social behavior. Why is the state in the business of rewarding mendacious behavior with tax exemptions and punishing honest behavior with taxes? Maybe an ancient alliance between the ruling class and the clergy is to blame for this backwards tax policy. The ruling class and the clergy have for more than five thousand years been partners in an effort to achieve and maintain authority, power, order and control over the states of our global culture. The ruling class buys influence over communities of faithful believers from religious leaders. Religious leaders enslave members to the will of the ruling class by making a fraudulent claim of an ability to know about the existence and will of a good one in Heaven at war with an evil one cast down to and ruling over Earth. Think about it.
03:53 PM on 11/11/2009
All this talk about healthcare and the government gives me a headache!!!! What ever happened to people working for a living and EARNING what they get? REALLY!!! I am self employed and have been all of my working life. I have had to pay for health insurance and have been taxed WAY too much, but guess what........I choose that over a government run healthcare or government run ANYTHING for that matter.
Has ANYONE seen the conditions of the other countries government run clinics and hospitals? Have you EVER been to a free clinic here in America? It takes FOREVER to be seen(try at least 6 weeks for an appointment) and the treatment is LESS than stellar. THAT is what we all have to look forward to with goverment in control!!!
I am a woman who DOES NOT BELIEVE we as a society should have to pay for some other womans lack of control. If you are big enough to lye down and make it, you are big enough to pay for it yourself! Don't make me have to pay for your poor choices.
06:54 PM on 11/11/2009
"Has ANYONE seen the conditions of the other countries government run clinics and hospitals? Have you EVER been to a free clinic here in America? It takes FOREVER to be seen(try at least 6 weeks for an appointment) ..."

Yes, I have. Had to have emergency surgery in another country with universal healthcare. I had top notch treatment, stayed in hospital longer to recuperate and it cost 1/4 of what it would have cost here. So I guess the answer to your question is yes, people have seen other countries quality health care systems despite you having not.
06:59 PM on 11/11/2009
---"I am a woman who DOES NOT BELIEVE we as a society should have to pay for some other womans lack of control. If you are big enough to lye down and make it,"


That is a ignorant an inaccurate description of intercourse. I believe a man had something to do with it also, but because you choose to blame women for all consequences like the men in Congress, you automatically disqualify yourself with lack of integrity.
03:21 PM on 11/11/2009
The way that the Stupak amendment is written, women will not be able to purchase insurance on exchanges using their own money to get coverage for post-miscarriage D&Cs. Hospitals in my area have refused to remove fetuses with no heartbeat that stopped developing at 3 months until 4 months later. This is what will happen with an amendment that has no exceptions to protect the health of the woman.
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DRaymond
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03:17 PM on 11/11/2009
Could we please cut down on the inflamatory rhetoric? I expect to hear this kind of The Sky is Falling kind of alarmism from Glen Beck.

I get it, the anti-abortion foes threw their weight around, threatened to scuttle the whole thing, got an ammendment, and are now crowing to their donors. So now the pro-abortion side has to make a big show to their donor base.

But the real tragedy, the real threat to women's (and men's) health would be if the whole bill were sunk and tens of thousands of people continue to die each year from lack of adaquate insurance...all over this trivial little item.

Yes, trivial.

The Stupak ammendment does nothing regarding access to abortion. It has to do with how it is paid for, and in practical terms what it does regarding how it is paid for is essentially nothing.

What the Stupak ammendment says is that abortion coverage must be part of supplemental coverage outside of the exchange rather primary coverage inside the exchange. There will need to be at most maybe an extra page to sign, maybe even just a check box. You won't even have to deal with a second company.

But what about the financial barrier to access? Most companies will probabbly offer the abortion rider for free. Insurance companies see it as a cost savings compared to prenatal and maternity care. And when something will save them money they will make it easy and most likely free.
02:51 PM on 11/11/2009
Karen,,, abortion is still legal... What it is categorized correctly is elective, as is tattoos and body piercings and boob jobs..... must give you kudos though on pulling out the race and sexism card ( white males )
12:11 PM on 11/11/2009
Nice microcosm....now expand your point of view to the rest if the citizens and you may catch a glimpse of the motivation behind opposition to this or any other bill that "The Republicans and Democrats who voted for the amendment have clearly decided that big government has a major role in controlling our personal health care decisions and Congress' ability to flat out deny access to a legal procedure."

Maybe people CAN learn. I hold out hope for humanity...
11:47 AM on 11/11/2009
Gee Karen, I thought that health care wouldn't put the govt. between people and their doctors? I thought nobody would lose their coverage? I thought nobody would lose any rights or freedoms?

Thank you for admitting that the teabaggers were right.
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booksnmoreforyou
Progressive educator, activist for good government
11:38 AM on 11/11/2009
Back in the day, women toughed it out, had the baby, and gave it for adoption. I'd be dead otherwise.
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Sinick
05:02 PM on 11/10/2009
I too am sick to death over the life or death battle being waged in Congress over the health and well-being of the citizens of the USA.

I feel compelled to offer a little persective to this otherwise useful post:

You say: "As an American citizen I do not believe that the government should have a say in making determinations about what is appropriate for my or anyone else's healthcare as long as I'm following the law."

I say: "As an American citizen I do not believe that the INSURANCE COMPANIES should have a say in making determinations about what is appropriate for my or anyone else's healthcare as long as I'm following the law."

Keep in mind that the Government has no intentions of administering healthcare for profit.

Pick your poison.
11:36 AM on 11/11/2009
Karen was strictly talking about the Stupak abortion ammendment.....and she is right..no man is gonna tell me what I can and can not do with my body....no government is gonna tell me what I can and cannot do with my body..period.

I agree with insurance companies deciding what I need and dont need health care wise....but..abortion is an individual moral decision...the Stupak ammendment is not moral..was based on religion and it is an affront against all women...Seperation of church and state

Tis time we women fight back!!!!
09:09 AM on 11/12/2009
they didn't make it illegal. i believe it is a personal choice . but my question is how many reacting to the amendment are just as big advocates for birth control. no baby no abortion necessary.and my understanding abortions for pregnancies resulting from acts of violence and medical necessity are still covered.
i know several women who've had abortions. all elective and paid for out of pocket. and only one of them had more than one. the rest got reliable birth control that they practice religiously . or finally decided they were ready had their children then they or the father chosen to sterilization. to me when you say they take away your choice that means they made it illegal but that's not true. and is this the final bill. if not instead of articles like this write your senators and encourage others that feel the same to do the same.
12:14 PM on 11/11/2009
Don't buy insurance...no poison chosen. Businesses have a right to act in their interests according to existing laws, so save your comments about evil insurance companies
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02:53 PM on 11/10/2009
NEWSFLASH:
Congress didnt outlaw abortion. You can still get them. The same way you do now. The federal government just wont pay for them.

Only a 'progressive' would think they have the right to other people's money. ridiculous.
08:26 PM on 11/10/2009
You've been corrected a dozen times.

Do you even read the replies.

This is about PRIVATE pay insurance not being allowed to offer abortion services, not government dollars.
12:15 PM on 11/11/2009
It's about PRIVATE insurance SUBSIDIZED by federal government dollars. Try again.