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Should We Force Our Kids to Major in Science or Engineering?

Posted: 04/16/2012 4:30 pm

My son, Zack, longs to be a rock star. With his parents' encouragement, he is majoring in the music industry and loving every second of his college life. Zack is well aware that he will most likely have to wait on tables as he pursues his dream, and he is fine with that. But Tom Friedman is not at all fine with it. Friedman, author, New York Times columnist, and three-time Pulitzer Prize winner, would much prefer Zack to major in science or engineering.

I like Friedman, I really do, but if I catch him on television one more time beseeching our nation's youth, as if they are all cut from a single cloth, to collectively strive for degrees in math and science, I am going to puke. Then I am going to send Mr. Friedman a thoughtful, well-crafted letter excoriating him for his failure to acknowledge that some people have neither the acumen nor the interest to pursue these fields of endeavor. I will be able to write this letter due to the excellent education I received in the liberal arts, the demise of which I believe will be catastrophic to our nation and damaging to the psyches of millions of students who will choose to follow the trends of the job market instead of their own bliss.

Mr. Friedman is hardly the only one bemoaning our country's paucity of young scientific innovators. He may simply be the most ubiquitous. Has he forgotten that our country's greatest innovation was the creation of our country, and that our founders looked to the works of John Locke and Voltaire in their quest to form a perfect democracy? Does anyone still read Voltaire?

An astronomy class in college almost killed me. I took the course to fulfill a science requirement and I spaced out through every lecture. I also developed a No-Doze habit from the all-nighters I had to pull because my tutor was only available from midnight to four a.m.. My brain, which so nimbly danced through courses in literature of the Victorian Age or family structure among the Kalahari hunter-gatherers, could simply not calculate light years or plot stars on a glass dome. In fact, stars have forever lost their romance for me.

President Obama and leaders of industry have challenged colleges and universities to graduate 10,000 more engineers a year and 100,000 new teachers with majors in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math). The goal is daunting. Studies have shown that nearly 40% of students who declare engineering and science majors eventually switch majors or fail to get a degree altogether. David E. Goldberg, an emeritus engineering professor at the University of Illinois, calls this "the math-science death march."

An article in the November education supplement to the New York Times lamented the dropout rate of STEM students. The article was titled Why Science Majors Change Their Mind, and was appropriately subtitled It's just so darn hard. Foraging for blame, the authors pointed fingers at several deterrents to the pursuit of a degree in STEM. The obstacles to success included the overwhelming competition between freshmen, the rigorous freshman classes, the preponderance of lecture-based rather than discussion-based classes and the proliferation of grade inflation in the humanities that acts as an incentive for students to leave programs with a more draconian grading system.

Conspicuously absent from their argument, however, is the idea that many of these students should probably not have been majoring in science to begin with, but had been encouraged by well-meaning parents or teachers to pursue a profession that will be sorely needed in our changing world. If students who like science and want to make it their livelihood can't cut it, how are the right-brained artistic souls among us supposed to cope?

I cannot argue against the fact that the world has changed. Ours is no longer a manufacturing or agricultural economy. We live in an information and technology-based society, and those who are comfortable working in those fields may have an edge. But I also can't help believing, (or is it hoping?) that the greatest achievements in any field result from thoughtful conversations across fields, and that thoughtful conversation is a byproduct of a liberal arts education.

A liberal arts education allows us to learn to think for ourselves. Armed with knowledge and experience in a variety of social contexts, we don't become mere receptacles of ideas and beliefs passed to us from parents or teachers. We are able to analyze and synthesize a broad range of information in order to formulate a core belief system that is uniquely our own and worth fighting for.

I am not naïve. I fully expect a barrage of comments from liberal arts graduates who are now earning $8/hour working in Walmart. I understand your frustration. The science and engineering majors seem to get all the jobs. But does this mean we should all be scientists? Today's music industry bears no resemblance to the once-lucrative business of creating and marketing albums. Albums are made in basements today. Marketing occurs on the Internet and no one buys CDs any more. But forcing my son into engineering would have been like forcing Niagara Falls to flow up! His is a passion that keeps his soul fed and gives his life purpose. I wouldn't think of denying him that. And selfishly, I don't want a depressed kid on my hands who is stuck in a field that doesn't suit him.

Not every engineer is Bill Gates. Some earn very modest salaries. And not every musician has to wait tables forever. Some support families and take vacations. Given the pace of technological and social change, who knows that the science one learns in college won't be outdated within a few years? Wouldn't it be advantageous to carry with you the skills to adapt and rethink?

Yes, America needs scientific innovators. But a civil society, the society that we aspire to be, cannot thrive without its writers and artists and social scientists and historians. And three-time Pulitzer prize-winning journalists.


 
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04:12 PM on 04/19/2012
It's somewhat ironic that Friedman, who has become wealthy as a result of his writing skills (which far surpass his skills, such as they may be, at logical thinking), advises others to get a degree in a STEM subject when his own success, and wealth, have been achieved without such a degree.
11:27 AM on 04/18/2012
No, you shouldn't force your kids into STEM fields if that's not what they're interested in. I think you should, however, encourage your kids to go into a major with a potential career in mind. Both of my parents majored in music, and both wish they had majored in something else. Unless you're wealthy enough to have the luxury of living off of your parents until your "music career" takes off, major in something that you can do to make money in the future. That said, if your kids do enjoy math and science, encourage them to go into a STEM major--there's a huge job market for it right now.
09:39 AM on 04/18/2012
Making science interesting and fun and "the coolest thing ever" should be the focus of our science curricula from elementary school through college. Smaller, discussion and hands-on-experiment- based classes at all levels really do help to get science in the minds of students as a "creative" endeavor. The "creative" aspects of science are what keep real-world scientists in the game.
BTW - It is time for a good look at the natural sciences, which seem to have been abandoned by schools and the media as "cool". The Earth is our Mother, etc.
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09:25 AM on 04/18/2012
Before I entered college my engineering father urged me to think about having a "marketable" plan which planted the seed that graduate school was probably a necessity. I majored in American Studies and loved my classes. Now I'm a mom of a college student and there is no forcing a STEM major or any major for that matter. He picked.....American Studies. We have been talking about marketability. My Dad would be chuckling.
04:52 PM on 04/17/2012
You can't force it, but you can certainly let students know the job prospects - which tend to vary widely with the state of the economy and industry fortunes. Certainly, it appears that SEM students have to work a lot harder for lower grades than most liberal arts students.

When I was a teaching assistant for senior level Mechanical Engineering I was told to norm the grades to an average of a B-. By senior year we didn't have any F's, but we didn't have many A's either.

My daughter is heading for college next year and is planning on Engineering. She is prepared for it. She is in 10th grade and taking Calculus for college credit, IB Chemistry, IB Physics, AP Biology, and IB English and IB History. She does not find the math or sciences too challenging - but notes that there is too much memorization in the Biology class.
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03:52 PM on 04/17/2012
No, we shouldn't force them if they're not interested. But then we shouldn't complain when there isn't enough, for example, girls in STEM, due to lack of interest.
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03:21 PM on 04/17/2012
Good article.

As someone who spent a career in science, I can assure you that trying to push students into science or engineering is futile. You really have to like the field, and you won't succeed just because you think there may be good employment opportunities down the line. Example: right now, graduates in petroleum engineering and the geosciences are enjoying fabulous starting salaries. In the eighties, they were serving fast food.

People in their teens and twenties should choose majors that excite them and worry about making a living from them later. There is plenty of time to go back to school if you change your mind.
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12:12 PM on 04/17/2012
First, I read Voltaire in my college Great Books class and Locke in poli sci.

Second, we have way too many people going ito finance and not enough going into science and engineering. Now, if you can survive a college's finance program, you are smart enough to study science and engineering. The same is probably true of economics, if you want to become an economist and not a lawyer.

Both finance and economics require a lot of high level math.

The problem is that finance majors on Wall Street or working in corporate finance departments make a lot more money than scientists and engineers.

When I was in college, a friend of mine was planning to get a job in New York with a large brokerage firm. I asked why he wasn't going into management with Ford Motor, since his father worked at FoMoCo as a high-level executive.

He explained that you always got a bonus with a brokerage firm, unless you, your unit, and the company as a whole screwed up. And the bonuses on Wall Street were crazy big.

At FoMoCo, if Ford Europe had a miserable year, it could mean that no one got a bonus or decent salary increase. He didn't want his bonus being screwed up, because people elsewhere couldn't figure out how to make money.

So, you wonder why people who could create the next great drug or design the next great electronic device wind up crunching numbers for the next mega merger.
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12:11 PM on 04/17/2012
I teach Math and Engineering at a Junior College, and I agree with much of what the author has written; however, I would point out that many of these same students ought to consider options other than a four year college degree.

Lamentably, rigor has been excised from most Liberal Arts programs. Once upon a time, Math and Science were a major part of the Liberal Arts curricula--Three of the seven classical liberal arts were "STEM" subjects, and until the late 19th century, all Liberal Arts students could expect to take the same Calculus, Physics, and Chemistry courses as their peers in engineering school.

Long gone are the days when Liberal Arts programs produced rounded individuals who were adaptable to the changing world around them, so the only tangible result of a modern Liberal Arts degree often is a mountain of student debt. Many students would have been better-off entering a more practical vocation while pursuing their love of music, the fine arts, literature, or the humanities on the side.
10:00 AM on 04/17/2012
I agree that alot of people change majors because the humanities are so much easier. I'm studying engineering and it is very difficult. For engineering majors here, a grade of a C+ is good, and anything in the B range is great. A's are almost unheard of, while the english majors I know are disappointed when they don't get A's. Engineering majors at my college joking refer to the humanities as not being real majors because they are so easy. The humanities in our collective opinions are not real majors because the humanities majors always have free time to lounge around the quad, play games, and whatnot. While, the engineers are always busy running between classes, in meetings for engineering projects, and doing homework until after midnight most nights. Due to the workloads we engineers take, a good night's sleep is a luxury and we live on caffeine.
09:50 AM on 04/17/2012
I'm one of those evil, brainwashed, intellectually handicapped engineers of which you speak. But, hey, I know what "paucity" and "ubiquitous" mean, and I have even read Voltaire. (Just kidding, though I really have read Voltaire...) I understand your point. However, you perpetuate a lot of stereotypes. Only liberal arts folks can write or carry on meaningful conversations. All STEM students are merely receptacles for ideas passed on from parents and teachers. Really? My engineering education was not at all the draconian and soul sucking experience you may think it was. It taught us alot about the facts of physics, math and chemistry. It taught us even more about how to think critically, how to look at what is and see what could be. Yes, it was hard. Really hard. But that, in itself, was part of the education. My life since university has been full, very well rounded, with fabulous experiences in science, business, travel, music, family and community. I am not exceptional - lots of science types are perfectly normal, literate and sociable people. Now, I understand your point was that a liberal arts education is valuable, and a STEM education isn't for everyone. Understood and agreed. However, it's no where near as black and white as you paint it. Maybe that's part of the problem. If a parent or trusted teacher represents one choice as completely wise and virtuous, and the other choice as completely foolish and evil, we only create polarization where it doesn't belong.
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10:42 AM on 04/17/2012
I don't remember saying that science majors are evil or intellectually handicapped. I know many engineers, my brother included, who are well versed in all areas of the liberal arts. My intent was not to stereotype. I was talking about people who try to MAJOR in science when they are ill-equipped to do so. I could never have become an engineer...not without a Herculean effort involving tutors, drugs, and God knows what else. And, if I could have managed to eke out a degree in STEM, I would have spent at least 40 hours a week miserable and incompetent. You are right. It is not black and white. I am responding to those who suggest that there is only one way to succeed in life, by majoring in science and then working in that field, and I apologize if I miscommunicated that.
01:40 PM on 04/17/2012
My attempt at sarcasm - sorry. But you did say the greatest achievements in any field result from thoughtful conversations across fields, and that thoughtful conversation is a byproduct of a liberal arts education. You also said liberal arts teaches one to think for oneself. That does kind of imply that those benefits are missing from a technical education, and I take exception to that. I really do agree with you that there are many aspects to and types of education and one size does not fit all. Just pointing out that the stereotypes associated with STEM aren't always true, anymore than the stereotypes associated with liberal arts. We all need to be careful about perpetuating them.
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07:38 AM on 04/18/2012
I suggest that you actually take the time to learn what job opportunities are available for STEM graduates. You do realize that STEM graduates work in the buisness field as managers (and not necessarily managers of other STEMs),financial planners, traders, fund managers, sales, operations, logistics, transportation and a host of other jobs. Your blog is very self serving as it tries to justify your families liberal arts major. Suggestion, you should try to write a more objective blog.
09:27 AM on 04/17/2012
Typo. Second sentence should read why everyone *shouldn't* go into math and science
09:21 AM on 04/17/2012
I support both sides of this argument.

Why everyone should go into math and science: 10 years ago when I was in high school, everyone was telling my entire class to be a teacher. Be a teacher and you will have a great job with stability. Fast forward 10 years: There are too many teachers. There are not enough jobs and their pay is dwindling with every new budget. When you force everyone into a market, there will be too much supply and not enough demand.

We need more people in the sciences: If we want to attempt to keep our first world status, nothing is more important than helping kids reach their potential. Employers in engineering cannot find enough job applications that are qualified from the US. As a result, they are looking for applicants elsewhere. I saw a documentary recently about this and it said 60% of those jobs will be given to people out of this country. We need to keep those jobs in this country if we want to have an economy. Those fields are growing and we are lacking.

We need more scientists but art and liberal sciences are important. Look at a tv or a magazine ad for example. For every national ad you have a creative team of 100's of people working on just 30 seconds. We need commercial photographers, artistic directors, and graphic designers. There is projected growth in those fields as more and more ads will be streaming over the internet.
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09:06 AM on 04/17/2012
By all means, keep him/her out of the sciences, medicine, engineering and the technical fields. That way, they can live in your basement and go to OWS gatherings until they're in their late 40's.
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09:04 AM on 04/17/2012
'Does anyone still read Voltaire?'

I read an English translation of 'Candide' once. Does that count? I even tried reading the orginal French, but my French wasn't (and still isn't) good enough.