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Do We Need to Talk About Weight to Bond With Other Women?

Posted: 09/07/11 01:22 PM ET

I went on a walking tour of Brooklyn the other day and one of the women on the tour turned out to have gone to grad school at the same place as me, and she had lived in the same neighborhood during.

"Remember Gray's Papaya?" she said. "Remember Koronet's pizza? I think I gained twenty pounds."

"Oh, I remember," I said. And we laughed.

We had a little moment of bonding. The way women do when they talk about how much weight they've gained.

I think most women bond over college this way. I have had the conversation hundreds of times, now.

"Remember freshman year? All I ate was ice cream."

"Me too. I ate ice cream three meals a day."

"I gained twenty pounds."

"Me too! I totally gained twenty pounds!"

We've all gained twenty pounds during some ill-advised period of ice cream and pizza eating. That's what being a woman is about.

Sort of. At least, that's what we can talk about when we have just met each other. And that's what we can talk about when we are getting to know each other. And that's what we can talk about even after we know each other well.

Is it bad? I'm not sure.

I catch myself saying, "Oh, freshman year, don't get me started," and I realize I'm just saying that because it's the thing to say, not because I was actually devastated by my weight gain freshman year, and not because I'm even thinking about it at that moment. But because it is the way I've learned to communicate with other women. And it's hard to imagine not communicating that way. It would feel awkward and a little ridiculous to interject with, "We are all beautiful, no matter what our weight!"

But for a second, sometimes, when women say to me, "You know how it goes," and laugh and point at their sides or their belly or their thighs ("Right to the thighs!"), I feel awkward, and I don't know what to say back. I want to say, "You look great!" Because it seems like that's the thing they're worried about, underneath the joking.

Maybe it's nothing, I tell myself. We're just joking. It's fine. Which might be perfectly true plenty of the time. But sometimes I think there might be something more serious, just under the surface.

I realize that when I say, "You look great, though," it is an empty response. Our reactions to our own bodies are too complicated and deeply personal and dramatic and tortured and habitual and ingrained to rehabilitate through a casual conversation.

And, overanalyzing as usual, I get the sense that we are each very alone as we say blithely in passing to each other, "Ugh, my stupid fat thighs" and "That was a bad year -- fifteen pounds ..." and "Well, I'll never be thin like her. Can't stop stuffing my face like a pig."

Because sometimes I catch myself saying, automatically, "Look at my ridiculous arms! How did they get that fat?"

And it's not just casual. It's because I think about my arms a lot. Too much. And when my friends say, "What? Your arms are fine!" I don't even hear them. I already know. I know the truth. And the horrible truth fits so neatly into the language of weight and women that I don't even have to disguise it. I can say some of the meanest things I think about myself, casually, in public. And it will sound normal.

Maybe there's something a little bit wrong with that.

Which is not to say I blame the woman on the walking tour of Brooklyn. I'm glad we bonded briefly over pizza. Although maybe I'd rather bond over how good pizza tastes.


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toolhe
12:11 AM on 09/27/2011
Hahaha, I thought this was funny. I don't talk about weight to bond with other women, but once I get to know you I will drop a "oh man I shouldn't be eating this, but I am and I don't care. let's do it big," while eating something unhealthy. My BMI is an apparently healthy 23.5. I'm not thin but I don't worry about weight.
01:09 PM on 09/25/2011
I've never done this with my female friends. Ever.
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nix28
Embracing honesty and its ugly step-sister, truth.
11:54 PM on 09/23/2011
I'm quite literally tired of women's obsession with weight. I've never had an issue with my weight, but I've spent my whole life dealing with the comments and jealousies of others because I've always been thin. Women comment on my size as if I don't know what I look like and assume that because I'm thin, it's ok. If it's not ok for me to walk up to a person and say, "You're so fat!" I really don't want anybody coming up to me saying, "You're so thin!!" It's just as stupid as telling me I'm Black, like I don't already know.

I really wish women could learn to love themselves and accept the way their bodies have changed. If women aren't happy with their weight, they should do something about it.

There are so many things going on in the world that you can talk about; stop using weight as a go-to topic. When you refuse to have those conversations, people will stop trying to have those conversations with you.
09:33 AM on 09/25/2011
Try being 46 yrs old and just losing weight, it was easy when I was 25, not so easy now.

I don't really think women are that obsessed about your weight, just their own.
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nix28
Embracing honesty and its ugly step-sister, truth.
01:57 PM on 09/25/2011
Try being 28 yrs old and unable to keep on weight. Everybody always looks at weight from the overweight person's perspective, completing ignoring that there are people on the other end of the spectrum.

I never said that women were obsessed with my weight. They're just obsessed with their own weight to the extent that my weight becomes a problem for them that they feel the need to express their opinions about my weight to me. Telling me how thin I am is not going to change their weight, so there's no reason to address it.
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Computer Geek
Logician Atheist Lefty
09:08 PM on 09/22/2011
There are so many ways of looking at this and finding another angle to it. I guess I would say it's OK that they were talking about weight issues unless they have the Karen Carpenter syndrome. If so, they are death walking and need professional help. If they are average weight, then it is a socialization technique. If they are extremely obese and discussing weight in the ways described, then we are back to recommending that they see a professional before they go the Cass Elliot route. But those same concerns would apply to men as well.
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WalterRetlaw
08:51 PM on 09/22/2011
Before advances in medicine, women often died in childbirth. As a result of that, larger women (not necessarily obese, but not skinny either) were considered to be the paradigm of beauty, and were much more desired by men than skinny women were because they generally suffered fewer complications during pregnancy. In many developing nations, this is still the case; men prefer child-bearing hips to knobby knees and elbows. In that sense, modern society's infatuation with bone-thin supermodels is almost anti-evolutionary.
01:09 PM on 09/25/2011
It's a symbol of the fashion industry's obsession with delayed adolescence.
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07:54 PM on 09/22/2011
Nope. The author is wrong. I worked with a predominantly male white collar organization quite a few years (at least 20 years) and was very surprised at finding a group of about 10 men standing together talking about diets (just like women). I don't know why it surprised me so much, but obviously it would have surprised this author, too. They weren't talking about their "fat thighs", but diets in general. Men are conscientious of their weight just like women. It's just not as obvious unless you see it first hand. Male bonding? Maybe there's not such a big difference in the sexes?
deborahjoybrat
The more I know people, the more I love my cats
07:22 PM on 09/22/2011
I don't need to talk about my weight to bond with anyone.
06:05 PM on 09/22/2011
I don't talk about my weight with people, and I've never felt the slightest amount of bonding when someone tries to converse about it. Even when people say nice thing about my body, I find it unnecessary and often rude. Not to mention boring as hell.
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OtayPanky
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05:57 PM on 09/22/2011
Henry Jaglom did the definitive treatment of this bit of nuttiness in his 1990 move "Eating".

I don't think this is a female phenomenon generally. It is, I believe, specifically American. And it is apparently getting crazier out there every day, to borrow a line from The Nation's TV advertisement.
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05:03 PM on 09/22/2011
men and women are so different. glad i'm a male.
06:17 PM on 09/22/2011
As the saying goes:

"Men socialize by insulting each other, but they don't really mean it. Women socialize by complimenting each other, but they don't really mean it either."
09:15 PM on 09/22/2011
I liked that. Thanks
04:54 PM on 09/22/2011
Why are women continually portrayed as victims on this site? At what point do they take responsibility for themselves and say to heck with what society and other women think of me? It's always someone else's fault. You think men have these ridiculous conversations?
05:43 PM on 09/22/2011
Did you even read the article? Where is the victim portrayal, blame, not taking responsibility in this article?
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Over40
08:43 PM on 09/22/2011
Actually, I'm female and I think it's a stupid article too.
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shamumbo
04:41 PM on 09/22/2011
How about when the office anorexic tries to bully the other women into not eating certain foods or at certain lunch places? Weird ...
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gutenmorgen
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04:33 PM on 09/22/2011
My wife owns the original of a cartoon that shows a step-on scale, two feet, and the arrow pointing to the words "Oh God".
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brooklyncitizen
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04:31 PM on 09/22/2011
I can say some of the meanest things I think about myself, casually, in public. And it will sound normal.
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