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Kathleen Reardon

Kathleen Reardon

Posted: October 21, 2008 09:59 PM

How About The Redistribution of Poverty?


If I were Senators Obama and Biden, I'd be asking out loud whether the American people really prefer the current redistribution of wealth to continue enveloping people who once owned part of the American dream.

Do the American people want more of the same, until the only people left standing are the very rich?

Do the American people want to continue feeding what can only be called greedism, just to avoid any faint scent or whiff of dreaded "socialism"?

Instead, isn't it time to recognize greedism for the despicable, addictive, soul-destroying monster that it is? Shouldn't wealth without compassion be despised, not prized?

We've been living the redistribution of wealth to our country's detriment. Look what it has given us. And yet John McCain and Sarah Palin are trying to set one part of the country against the other -- those with money against those without.

They are crafting a fiction that generosity is bad for all of us because it might require that the wealthiest give up something they've long accused the poor of refusing to relinquish - entitlements.

Americans don't fear socialism because it isn't going to happen. They don't fear the redistribution of wealth but the permanent distribution of poverty at their doorsteps. They fear the demise of fairness.

What happened to all of us carrying some burden so that none of us is deprived? "True Americans" are not the people who wear the right hats, as Sarah Palin has implied. They are people who want for their children and other people's children a fair shake, a leg up when needed, and a shot at the dream.


Dr. Reardon also blogs at bardscove.

If I were Senators Obama and Biden, I'd be asking out loud whether the American people really prefer the current redistribution of wealth to continue enveloping people who once owned part of the Ameri...
If I were Senators Obama and Biden, I'd be asking out loud whether the American people really prefer the current redistribution of wealth to continue enveloping people who once owned part of the Ameri...
 
 
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TexasDem0
USMC Vietnam combat vet
06:03 PM on 10/22/2008
Why not redistribute poverty to the CEOs who caused so much of it for other people?
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02:48 PM on 10/22/2008
Joe Klein wrote on 10/21/2008 "In fact, that was an enormous--and necessary--tax increase, but it tilted heavily against working Americans. Payroll taxes have been increased no fewer than seven times since Reagan was President and, so far as I know, never been cut--but large capital gains and marginal rate cuts, and all sorts of corporate loopholes, have been built into the tax system during that same period--a massive redistribution of wealth toward the wealthy."

Why is the ownership of America assets by the top 2% at more than 50% and growing - because the very rich know the net-sum-game is taxes and they have had the PAC's and Republican's helping them handsomely for the last eight years. Do not tax me or thee, but the man behind the tree.

Without a progressive tax system that taxes on ability to pay, rather than just increasing taxes to the lower income groups as Joe notes, this country will end up like Mexico. But, our citizens won't be able to escape to another country. Don't get me wrong, we need thousands for new millionaires, and our system can be changed to enable that. The big guys always take care of themselves, so don't cry too much of the other 98% of us can at least get back to 50% ownership.
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mjc
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01:13 PM on 10/22/2008
You know the old saw....'it takes money to make money'. That is why the rich and wealthy are in the driver's seat most of the time. Agree with robbie44, having no stocks or bonds, now only an occasional funding from a part time job and social security to deal with, living in a rented apartment, I really have very little to expect from a recession except perhaps a rent rise. The American dream of owning one's own home ended with a disastrous spell of rain. But still keep hoping for some windfall, or perhaps that those with 1% of the wealth paying most of the taxes in this country and making it possible for people like me to have just a tad more. Not redistributing poverty exactly but perhaps wealth. We have corporate socialism now; a little private socialism would be nice.
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LHoney
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01:11 PM on 10/22/2008
Maybe I'm stupid... I keep hearing McSame-as-Bush and Her say that Obama wants to "spread the wealth around". Who is he talking to?? We are in near DEPRESSION here, caused by 8 years of Republican rule that has redistributed everything the middle class owns into the hands of the rich. It really hasn't hit the fan yet but huge layoffs are coming. People are losing their homes. Anyone who reads a paper knows all of this. Who are these people that are booing at these rallies?? Does he really have a couple thousand millionaires sitting in those bleachers?? Who are these people?? I don't get it!
03:56 PM on 10/22/2008
that's like one of my pet peeves: Seeing a working man, dirty and tired looking from work, driving a beat up old car with a Republican sticker on the bumper. One knows he is a working man, probably not a high paying employee, blue collar type guy. why would he want to vote republican?
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04:24 PM on 10/22/2008
maybe he likes the idea of a small government, would like to see welfare eliminated, and believes in property rights that what's his is his and no one has the right to tell him what he can and can't do with it.
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11:17 AM on 10/22/2008
How much poverty should be redistributed? Should we all be scrapping to get by or should those of us who are smarter or better at our jobs be paid more or should we all be at the lowest common denominator? Instead of having a surgeon general we could have a handicap general just like in Kurt Vonnegut told us about in Harrison Bergeron. http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html wouldn't it be lovely to live in that Utopia?
01:51 PM on 10/22/2008
how about this rightwing, we take the 1% of the population that have 95% the wealth and adjust our policies so that they only have maybe 50% of all the wealth which leaves the other 45% to be earned by the middle class. These rich people are still incredibly wealthy but the middle class, which is the driver of the economy, doesn't get drug down into poverty. The economy would improve as it has in the past when these types of policies are enacted and EVERYONE gets richer; poor, middle class, and rich alike.
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03:23 PM on 10/22/2008
instead of calling it redistribution of wealth why don't we go for the much more accurate term "theft." If a private citizen were to go into their neighbors home and take their neighbors money because it was felt that he had too much, this would be called theft. When the government does it it is called government sponsored theft.

Please be specific, when has an increase on taxes or outright theft from people of high net worth ever improved the economy? If this plan made more money for everyone (as opposed to just giving money to people who don't pay taxes anyway) and this has been proven in the past why did we stop having it as a policy? At what point did we decide that the path we were currently on while generating income for everyone was no longer any good and we needed to go on a path that generated less income for everyone?
11:10 AM on 10/22/2008
i envy my poverty.
11:05 AM on 10/22/2008
I think some politicians legitimately fear 'Socialism' because when the figures who have been elected to tend the welfare of the people allow the efforts of decades to evaporate, and retirement, education, healthcare prospects all vanish or shrink drastically and the politicians still have theirs, the typical response historically is to execute the leaders as 'Enemies of the People', 'Economic-Sabatouers', etc.
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NotMcCain
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10:58 AM on 10/22/2008
True. 8 years of Bush have pushed many more people into poverty--and even more into relative poverty, where their money just doesn't go as far as it did 8 years ago.

I think this is the counter Biden (if he can stay on message) should use to McCain-Palin's ridiculous "wealth redistribution! socialist!" speech.

"Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?" The McCain policies will continue Bush's philosophy of BIG cuts for the richest 5%....cuts in capital gains tax (why does this get cheers?)....and big payouts to the oil companies.

He'll either weaken our economy further by INCREASING the deficit (despite promising a balanced budget in four years) or he's just lying.

Obama will cut taxes for 95% of the people and try to bring the deficit down by raising taxes on corporations and the top 5% of income earners.

'Nuff said.
11:39 AM on 10/22/2008
How do you cut the taxes of the 40% that don't pay Federal income taxes?
04:24 PM on 10/22/2008
build an economy so prosperous that they make so much money that they have to pay taxes on their income
10:48 AM on 10/22/2008
Trickle Down Theory is "welfare" for the rich.

Tax breaks and capital gain tax relief for the rich is "welfare" for the rich.
01:20 AM on 10/22/2008
Neither party recognizes the disparity of incomes and will do anything to stop it. Incomes are what have stagnated since the late 1970's except for those at the top. Not everyone is a rocket scientist intellectually either. You must have raises several percentage points above inflation at any job to get ahead unless you are brought in at the very top of a very high pay scale or range to start with, and even then you must still get above inflation raises to stay on top or else you just tread water. Just receiving raises that match or are below inflation is a loser's game. When half the wage earners in the US are making $31,000 and below, how is half the population getting ahead? You are only suppose to buy a home with 2 1/2 your income. How many homes where you live, that are in "safe" areas, are priced at $75,000 and below. This is why half the US population has no way of sharing in the American dream. The only way is with raises several percentage points above inflation each year. We need higher incomes. The tax rebates are just a scam for the real problem of stagnant wages the last 30 years for all but those at the top.
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01:11 AM on 10/22/2008
Listen, the GOP has overseen this MASSIVE redistribution of wealth FROM the poor and middle class to the rich and corporations.

They've been engaging in CORPORATE SOCIALISM.

Conversely, Obama/Biden could justifiably accuse McCain of wanting to spread the "F-bomb" -- Fascism.
11:47 AM on 10/22/2008
We'd all agree McCain is all about writing a blank check to the military,so yes they could.
12:30 AM on 10/22/2008
Unfortunately many people don't know their history or were never taught it.

During the Great Depression most people were out of work. They were hungry. There were soup lines. The phrase, "Buddy can you spare a dime?" was popular.

However, nobody in those days considered help from the government as wrong. If anything, it was welcomed. During this election season, this would be called, "socialism."

However, when politicians think of socialism, they try to make it out to be communism. Nothing can be further from the truth, unless of course, you think England, Canada, Norway, Sweden & Denmark are communistic countries. Each of these countries are well known democracies.

What has capitalism brought us? Greed & applied Darwinism! Darwinism equates to "the survival of the fittest!" Compassion doesn't play a part. Those that are the strongest survive at the extinction of the rest of humanity. If this is what America is about, then we deserve to die with the dinasour. We are then nothing more than dogs in heat looking to satisfy our carnal desires.

If this nation were left to capitalists, the ultra rich would say as Scrooge did in a "Christmas Carol" by Charles Dickens, "Let the surplus population wither & die so that we will have more for the rest of us."

McCain/Palin can't have it both ways. You can't say less greed but I am going to give more tax breaks to the weathiest companies, while forgetting about the cause of the middle class.
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Pdubya
10:33 AM on 10/22/2008
you're right. some haven't studied history. hoover did a lot to try and correct the bubble bursting. it was his efforts to thwart a market correction (making rich guys lose money) that started the Great Depression. FDR did even more....it worked for a while. But we were still on a gold standard and we were a production based economy. In 1971 we left that and went totally fiat. This is the grand bubble that was created by Federal Reserve tinkering.

Hoover apologized in his memoirs for helping create the Federal Reserve. FDR just took the framework and exploded it.

History does repeat itself. But now, we are a debt/consumer based society and our money is not backed by anything except trust (cough, was).

I am less fearful of a Greater Depression than I am of the potential solution that will be proposed.

Think we'll have more liberties and rights and sovereignty?

Think again.
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LHoney
REINSTATE GLASS STEAGALL!!!
12:54 PM on 10/22/2008
And then on top of that pretend to be "Christian" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:31 PM on 10/21/2008
What is it to be rich? It seems that almost everyone defines it as the possession of material goods. That is how we have programmed the middle class and the poor. The middle class and the poor, unfortunately, bought into this and went out and tried to borrow their way into prosperity. They didn't listen to the voice of their parents who got what they owned by saving and paying cash. The word now is, "You don't wave to wait with an interest rate this low." This is absolutely preposterous. We need to reeducate our children as to what wealth is and how they can obtain it. The rich are not taking the American dream away from us! We are throwing it away to Visa, Mastercard, Discover, Citibank, Bank of America, etc. I drive a Saturn VUE with 180K miles on it, with one mismatched rim on it and a cracked windshield, but I make a very good living. I could afford something much nicer, but this is paid for, totally and completely. When someone asks me if I want a new car I reply, "Why?" This one runs and is paid for! But, American culture tells me that it is my patriotic duty to support the economy. We need to serisouly rethink our perception of wealth and how one gets it. C. Krueger
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Pdubya
10:34 AM on 10/22/2008
Its not what you make but what you keep.

Its not what you want but how little you need.
10:52 PM on 10/21/2008
By the McCain-Palin definition, John McCain is a socialist. He voted for the $750 Billion bailout package.

He knows how the tax structure of the United States works - the more you make - the more they take.

John McCain also vote for the 2008 Economic Stimulus Package whereby people in the U.S. who make less than $90,000 got a "stimulus" check and those over $90,000 didn't get a dime. Isn't that a redistribution of wealth? Isn't that his definition of socialism?

H.R. 5140: Economic Stimulus Act of 2008: To provide economic stimulus through recovery rebates to individuals, incentives for business investment, and an increase in conforming and FHA loan limits. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5140
10:43 PM on 10/21/2008
If I read it right, the Anchorage Daily News of Sept. 19, 2008 talked about Palin's biggest tax increae for Alaska and using the money to give to Alaskans $1200 more than they already get. Isn't that socialism? Why isn't that reported and questioned? Why is redistribution of wealth OK for Alaskans but not for others? I would like her to respond to that. I would want $1200 extra. Isn't that what the feds are doing with the incentive package? Just because you call it something else ---incentives --doesn't change what it is.
10:45 AM on 10/22/2008
Absolutely, this is good analogy. But, who do we really believe is going to report it? They just let McCain keep saying it like it makes sense.