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Lawrence Davidson says, "Keep your eye on the language: When South Africa assigned rights according to race they called it apartheid. When Israel assigns rights according to religion they call it the only democracy in the Middle East."

Lawrence Davidson is a professor at West Chester University in West Chester, Pennsylvania. His academic work is centered on the history of American foreign relations with the Middle East.

Throughout his career, Davidson has informed public discourse with his critique of American foreign policy in the Middle East and has embarked on this endeavor in a way that promotes citizen awareness. Davidson analysis has centered on the reality of American conduct in the Middle East and has performed this analysis in conjunction with an awareness of the propaganda that has permeated this debate for the past 65 years. Given this analysis and focus, Davidson has become an outspoken and unflinching critic of the U.S. alliance with Israel and the Zionists' treatment of the Palestinian people.

Davidson is the author of several books. His latest, published in 2009, is Foreign Policy, Inc.: Privatizing America's National Interest. This work locates the source of U.S. foreign policy formulation in the activity of powerful lobbies rather than in the White House or State Department.

Kathleen Wells: Talk to me about the significance of the events taking place now in Egypt i.e., the protest against Mubarak/the government. What will these events - the actual protests - mean for the region in general and Israel specifically?

Lawrence Davidson: The protests in Egypt, and Tunisia as well, are very significant because they show the people of the Middle East (and perhaps beyond) what is possible. That there is power in numbers - numbers that are organized and determined. It is not easy to bring these numbers into the streets. Indeed, people can go a very long time accepting oppression. But at some point action is possible. That is what the present situation demonstrates and it is significant.

For the region it means that no dictatorship is truly secure unless its army or police are willing to shoot down their own people, and even then they risk civil war. Governments are expected to provide economic security for their people. This is a real challenge for the regimes in the Middle East because, tied as most of them are to the world markets and Western banking institutions, they cannot actually solve their economic problems. The dictatorships try to get around this predicament by creating economic security for elite (usually a ruling class plus the military) and keep the rest of the population under control through force. But Tunisia and Egypt now show that that strategy is not foolproof. These dictators are increasingly in a bind.

For Israel, the present events are deeply disturbing. Israel's leadership, from the very beginning of the state, has believed that security is a function of alliances with the West and military force in the region. They have never sought any meaningful compromises with their neighbors. Their only "friends" in the region are dictators who cooperate with Israel because they fear it and because the Americans pay them to do so. This is not a good basis for long term security. Israel's strategy of security through the application of force is now being revealed as inadequate. The country is confronted with implacable enemies in the north - an increasingly well armed Hezbollah backed by Syria and Iran. If Mubarak falls and Egypt becomes a democracy, Israel's ability to control matters to its west will be seriously weakened. The situation in Gaza will slip from its control because a popular regime in Cairo will normalize its border with Gaza. The Israeli blockade will collapse. The entire scenario also points up the fragility of the monarchy in Jordon. Israel will begin to feel as if it is surrounded by enemies once more. Yet they are so ideologically blinded that they will fail to realize that their own policies helped make it so.

Kathleen Wells: Respond to statements made from Israeli spokespersons that the protest in Egypt demonstrates that Israel is the only stable government in the Middle East and that Israel is the only real example of democracy in the region.

Lawrence Davidson: Israel is a democracy in the same sense that, say, Alabama was a democracy prior to Civil Rights. Real democracy includes a realistic level of equity under the law for all citizens. That is completely lacking in Israel where 20 percent of the population (the Israeli Arabs) are systematically discriminated against. So when Israeli leaders claim that their country is a democracy, they are simply saying that the Israeli Arabs can cast a vote. But that vote will never be able to change the inherently discriminatory system. So the vote is meaningless. The game is rigged.

There are, of course, other democracies in the region which the Israelis and their supporters conveniently forget about. Turkey is a viable democracy, especially now that the Turkish military is no longer interfering in politics. Lebanon is, in fact, more democratic than it ever was before the outmoded sectarian system imposed by the French was destroyed by civil war (That is what it took to democratize Lebanon!). And even Palestine was a democratic place before the Israelis and Americans decided that having Hamas win a free and fair election was unacceptable. So the claim that Israel is the only real democracy in the region is incorrect.

As to stability, well perhaps Israel is too stable. There are definite signs that the country is flirting with fascism. The present Knesset is passing laws that could destroy much of the Israeli left. That is not the kind of stability that is healthy for a supposed democratic country.

Kathleen Wells: General Petraeus submitted written testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee last March which stated, "... enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the area of responsibility."

Is Israel an asset or a liability to the United States? And specifically address how the characterization of asset or liability relates to policy formation.

Lawrence Davidson: General Petraeus's recent observation that the ongoing Arab-Palestinian conflict works against U.S. interests in the Middle East was simply a statement of fact. The unspoken, but clearly understood, second part of this was it works against us because of our close identification with Israel. What is so remarkable is that a high-ranking U.S. general publicly made the connection.

In my estimation the U.S. really does not behave as if it has interests in the Middle East separate from those of Israel. This can be so because our access to the oil in the Persian Gulf has been successfully separated from the issue of Israel. And that is so because the Gulf Arabs chose not to use oil as a weapon to influence our policy. That leaves the field of Middle East interests (apart from oil) wide open to Zionist lobby pressure and manipulation. So the tail (Israel) is definitely wagging the dog (U.S.) in this regard.

So is Israel an asset or a liability? Well, it is an asset to most of the representatives and senators in the Congress who get so much money and electoral support from Zionist-oriented lobbies and their members. And it is a horrible liability to the U.S. as a country in that Israeli behavior supported by America generates sheer revulsion in millions of Arabs and Muslims. But, you know, as Tip O'Neil once observed, "All politics are local." And what the members of Congress and those running the political parties are into is winning elections here in America. Lobby money greases that process. That is more important to them than hatred in the Middle East - even if that hatred can be predicted to lead to on-going terrorist actions. That is the way our politics works.

 

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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
09:38 AM on 02/13/2011
"They have never sought any meaningful compromises with their neighbors. Their only "friends" in the region are dictators who cooperate with Israel because they fear it and because the Americans pay them to do so. This is not a good basis for long term security."

That's not a very nice thing to say about Turkey.
01:41 AM on 02/13/2011
"Follow Kathleen Wells, J.D. on Twitter"

No thanks
04:58 PM on 02/12/2011
Expect CHANGE!
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
08:27 AM on 02/12/2011
Wow the Huffington Post digs up yet another obscure academic for the purpose of bashing Israel. Yawn.
05:22 PM on 02/12/2011
Hmmm. The guy has a Phd and has authored or co-authored several histories of the Middle East. Certainly has more umph than the silly blogger Suissa.
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
12:34 AM on 02/13/2011
There are hundreds of people with those same credentials. But youre right, he's far more knowledgeable than that silly Kevin Coval.
05:59 AM on 02/12/2011
will try again

i would like professor davidson to please explain how a country that has an arab sitting on the supreme court, arabs in the knesset, arabs in all the major universities...is in any way comparable to apartheid south africa?
01:42 AM on 02/13/2011
You won't get an answer...
03:30 AM on 02/13/2011
After the American Civil War, token Blacks were elected to the legislature.

As for the Supreme Court in Israel-- decisions are routinely ignored, especially by the IDF.

So, Arabs may marry Jews, in Israel?
04:25 AM on 02/12/2011
dear professor davidson,

during apartheid south africa...how many blacks sat in their parliament? how many blacks sat on their supreme court? how many blacks attended their universities?

in israel, there are arabs in the knesset, an arab sitting on the supreme court, arabs in all the universities

tell me again how that is comparable to apartheid.

just goes to show that a phd today aint worth the paper it is written on
01:42 AM on 02/13/2011
Neither is a JD. I can get one of those online.
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
05:48 AM on 02/13/2011
You can be "a little bit apartheid" like you can be "a little bit pregnant."
04:15 AM on 02/12/2011
I agree to some extent with Turkey being called a democracy (though I typically think of Turkey as a part of Europe rather than the middle east), but Lebanon? Mr. Davidson says Israel fails to qualify as a democracy because while Arabs have a vote, they're discriminated against. Yet if an Israeli (or any Jew for that matter) entered Lebanon there's a strong chance they'd be slaughtered, kidnapped, or otherwise harmed--and you call that a democracy? If they're dead before they get a chance to vote for Hamas, does that count? At least in Israel the Arabs live in peace with no fear of bodily harm--which is more than many Arabs can say in their own countries. On top of all this, while it may appear heavy-handed provide limited rights to Arabs in Israel, one must recall that there is no place in the world where Jews are permitted complete freedom. Even in America there exists latent antisemitic beliefs. In order for Israel to remain a Jewish state--the sole haven for the Jewish people--it must maintain laws that ensure that Jews are free to be Jews. The Israelis themselves struggle daily with their conflicting identities: upholding (true) democratic values on one hand, while maintaining Israel as a state where Jews can live in peace on the other. There is no even-handed way to maintain the latter under the auspices of a true democracy, an unfortunate reality poorly characterized by Davidson's misguided views of Israel.
10:18 AM on 02/12/2011
You have to be really ignorant to think that "if an Israeli (or any Jew for that matter) entered Lebanon there's a strong chance they'd be slaughtere­d, kidnapped, or otherwise harmed". Jewish people living in Lebanon would be actually laughing at you...
03:31 AM on 02/13/2011
Jewish Americans vacation in Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt all the time. Even Saudi Arabia now allows Jews to enter the country.
03:57 PM on 02/12/2011
You are ignorant. There are Jews who live in Lebanon. The ones who get kidna.pped, or arrested are the ones who go there on assass.ination attempts or bombing whole neighb.orhoods.
08:25 PM on 02/12/2011
how many jews reside in lebanon? there hasnt been a census done since 32

a handful?
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Mike Mansfield
12:42 AM on 02/12/2011
As usual, Kathleen provides us with an excellent interview with an excellent subject. I always look forward to reading her work.
12:04 AM on 02/12/2011
most excellent interview and analysis. thank u for having the courage to step outside of msm propaganda and talk about the middle east in honest and realistic terms. hope to hear more from professor davidson.
11:32 PM on 02/11/2011
This is a great event. A change in goverment by a grass roots amalgam of every day people.Lets hope the current of change continues in the region.
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Vlady
Better Late
11:03 PM on 02/11/2011
Inadvertently made an error in the first word. Here is the correct version

Thank you Kathleen Wells and Professor Lawrence Davidson for your unwaiverin­g, steadfast support of Israel, the only real US friend and ally in the ME
12:16 AM on 02/12/2011
This is a joke, right? Israel steals American secrets and sells them to those we don't want to have them. Israel commits atrocities daily against the Palestinians, steals their land, destroys their water resources, compels Palestinians to leave homes they have built and lived in for many years while the police escort Jewish terrorists to enter and live in their homes. Israeli occupation and extermination forces entered late at night the home of a 62 year old Palestinian while he was in his bed sleeping and beat him until his brains literally fell out of his head. The pictures of his bed had blood all over. His wife was terrified and a young child was terrorized. This is one of thousands of vile crimes committed by Israel, not at all a democracy as Professor Davidson, himself Jewish, has stated.
05:56 AM on 02/12/2011
your hyperbole not withstanding...the 62 year old man was shot to death...a case of mistaken identity....because that same man had no problem with a wanted terrorist sleeping a floor below him

never mind that here in the states, police forces make errors all the time during arrests...yet no one calls for the delegitimization of the entire united states of america

water rights and borders are all to be negotiated in accordance with 242...which the arabs initially turned down...but now way around their heads as a flag.

and if someone resides in an illegal home...who cares how long they resided there?

btw....the idf tears down illegally built homes made by the jewish israelis all the time.
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Mike Mansfield
12:43 AM on 02/12/2011
Kathleen is likely glad she's not going to be hanked, Vlady.
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Vlady
Better Late
10:59 PM on 02/11/2011
hank you Kathleen Wells and Professor Lawrence Davidson for your unwaivering, steadfast support of Israel, the only real US friend and ally in the ME
08:37 PM on 02/11/2011
I wish that we could read the entire interview. Professor Davidson, so far, is providing important commentary on what the world should know, especially on this historic day when the Egyptians have, through peaceful means, compelled their dictator, Mubarak, to step down. During the past two days, Israel has completely destroyed two factories in Gaza, a wood factory and a medicine factory, one of which was new. But the US media hides much of what Israel does. Let's have more analyses by experts such as Professor Davidson..
08:50 AM on 02/13/2011
Nothing encourages peace like promiscuously bombing the neighbors.
07:35 PM on 02/11/2011
Interesting interview, thanks for posting it. I'll have to check this writer out.

"Israel is a democracy in the same sense that, say, Alabama was a democracy prior to Civil Rights. Real democracy includes a realistic level of equity under the law for all citizens."

Perfect point.
07:15 PM on 02/11/2011
This piece is so one sided it's tough to even comment on... Prof. Davidson, in regards to Israel, have you ever said anything that wasn't negative about it? I'm not saying everything Israel does is "right" however, you make it seem as though everything they do is "wrong". As an educator, you should be ashamed for not representing both sides of the equation.