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Red Meat vs Chicken: An Argument Against The False Distinction

Posted: 04/14/09 11:00 AM ET

Nicholas Kristof's column on Wednesday discusses the recent work by animal activists on behalf of chickens and pigs, and the degree to which "animal rights are now firmly on the mainstream ethical agenda" in the United States, as they have been for some years in Europe. I am delighted to see from Mr. Kristof yet another thoughtful essay about a moral issue that is, until recently, not widely discussed, and even more pleased that in discussing the cruelties of modern intensive farms, he is focusing on birds.

You see, people often tell me that they've given up eating red meat out of concern for animals, the environment, or their health (or all three). Of course all efforts to make the world a kinder and less polluted place should be applauded. But here's the thing: cutting out red meat while still eating chicken doesn't address the whole problem.

Here's why: Both choices - beef and chicken - badly damage the environment, so choosing one or the other is sort of like the difference between driving a huge SUV and a Hummer. That's also why I'm a little baffled when some environmental organizations say that cutting out beef is advisable, but eating other meats is "relatively" ok. It's really not.

On the issue of global warming, all animal agriculture is a nightmare, relative to producing grains and beans. In a 400 page report from the United Nation's Food and Agricultural Organization, Livestock's Long Shadow, scientists conclude that the business of raising animals for food is responsible for about 18 percent of all warming--in fact meat causes about 40 percent more warming than all cars, trucks, and planes combined.

That is in part because turning animals into meat requires many stages of (energy intensive and polluting) production (i.e., transporting feed, animals, and meat; running feed mills, factory farms, and slaughterhouses; refrigerating carcasses during transport and in grocery stores--chickens are at least as energy consumptive as cattle for all these stages), compared to plant foods.

Environmental Defense calculated that if every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetarian foods instead, the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads. Imagine if we dropped all meat from our diets altogether.

And it's not just global warming, of course: In a story about chicken waste pollution, the New York Times reported in November that "[a]lthough the dairy and hog industry in states near the bay produce more pounds of manure, poultry waste has more than twice the concentration of pollutants per pound." I assume that's in part because poultry are given a lot more drugs than pigs and cattle--because they're kept in even worse conditions and thus require more drugs.

When you have the attorney general of a state like Oklahoma battling poultry producers over the industry "wreak[ing] havoc in the 1-million-acre Illinois River watershed, turning it into a murky, sludgy mess," it seems pretty clear (to me) that environmentalists might want to think again about putting that product into even a "relatively" favorable category.

So it makes more sense to cut down on meat altogether, in favor of a more plant based diet, rather than trying to sort out which meats are relatively better or worse. And we can do so in stages.

For example, after looking at the health and environmental problems associated with chicken, beef, and pork, New York Times food writer Mark Bittman (in his superb new book Food Matters) suggests eating exclusively plant-based foods until 6 p.m., and then eating whatever you want for dinner. I know people who have tried this sort of plan, and they find--quickly--that they're eating more and more vegetarian food, even during the times when they eat whatever they want. Writes Bittman, "By reducing the amount of meat we eat, we can grow and kill fewer animals. That means less environmental damage, including climate change; fewer antibiotics in the water and food supplies; fewer pesticides and herbicides; reduced cruelty; and so on. It also means better health for you."


Similarly, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Health leads the "Meatless Mondays" campaign, which is supported by 28 other public health schools. Their goal is to cut Americans' meat-consumption, in order to lessen our risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, and so on. And of course, they rightly impugn all meat, not just "red" meat.

Although he vigorously advocates vegetarianism, the much adored Buddhist monk and Zen master, Thich Nhat Hanh, writes in his latest book that "[i]f you're not able to entirely stop eating meat, you can still decide to make an effort to cut back. By cutting meat out of your diet ten or even five days a month, you will already be performing a miracle--a miracle that will help solve the problem of hunger in the developing world and dramatically reduce greenhouse gases."

These suggestions from Bittman, Johns Hopkins, and Thich Nhat Hanh strike me as much better half-measure alternatives to picking between various meats.

For those who want to do well by the environment, have more robust health, and consider the welfare of animals, the solution is not to just give up eating red meat, but rather lean away from eating animal products - chicken included - altogether.

A few things to remember:

* for animals the poultry industry is much worse than the beef or pork industries;
* for your health, it's a toss up at best;
* and for the environment, the poultry industry may not be quite as bad on global warming, but it's still bad, and it appears to be even worse in categories like water and air pollution.

For people who want help cutting back on meat or transitioning toward a vegetarian diet, please check out my previous post, "One Bite at a Time: A Beginners Guide to Conscious Eating."

 
 
 
Nicholas Kristof's column on Wednesday discusses the recent work by animal activists on behalf of chickens and pigs, and the degree to which "animal rights are now firmly on the mainstream ethical age...
Nicholas Kristof's column on Wednesday discusses the recent work by animal activists on behalf of chickens and pigs, and the degree to which "animal rights are now firmly on the mainstream ethical age...
 
 
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fiestyslug
I know it's misspelled. Thanks.
10:01 PM on 05/04/2009
We buy/eat only locally, free ranged beef and chicken, yes it costs more, but it forces us to eat less meat. We have banned feed lot meat of any variety, as obviously this type of "farming" is the worst for watersheds and the planet as well as the human body. Not to oversimplify too much, but eating locally and vegetarian as much as possible is the best. Grow a garden when you can, otherwise support your local farmers via farmer's markets, CSAs and or local buying grocery stores.
02:38 PM on 04/16/2009
Industrialized meat vs. organic locally raised meat = false comparison.
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fiestyslug
I know it's misspelled. Thanks.
10:11 PM on 05/04/2009
Agree!!!!
10:57 AM on 04/16/2009
Thanks so much Kathy for mentioning Meatless Monday! As you said we're a campaign of moderation; we don't expect (or request) that Americans will become vegetarians overnight, but even a small reduction in current rates of meat consumption can have tremendous benefits for your health and the environment.
Meat products contain saturated fat, which increases your risk of preventable illnesses like heart disease, diabetes, cancer and stroke. Cutting meat from your diet just one day a week reduces the amount of saturated fat you're eating by 15%.

You make a valid point as well that all meat production has a negative impact on the environment, not just red meat. Having meatless meals once in awhile is really the simplest thing anyone can do to reduce their carbon footprint. If every American skipped just one chicken meal a week the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than a half-million cars off U.S. roads.

So please consider having a Meatless Monday, for your health and for the planet. For more information and tips visit our website, www.MeatlessMonday.com. We also have a new video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpnKeYmR1NM
03:28 AM on 04/16/2009
If you are a meat eater and you want to stop eating meat, the best way to do it is to practice compassion towards all living creatures. You don't need to be a Zen master or a monk to practice compassion in fact you can also remove religion from the vegetarian equatrion. All living creatures feel. They feel fear and pain just like us. Of course, one of the good side effect of not eating meat is you also help to reduce global warming.
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MagicalPossibilities
Question everything...
06:35 PM on 04/15/2009
I don't think it is healthy or practical for most people to go vegan. Most people don't have a clue about nutrition and what constitutes a healthy diet.
Cutting back on meat consumption is a good middle ground.
11:51 PM on 04/15/2009
How about boycotting agribusiness by eating real food instead of food products?

Factory farming, be it plant or animal, is a problem because many Amercians think they have a right to eat whatever they want regardless of the season. Most produce consumed in the United States is grown in the arid state of California because few regions have the climate and/or the topography to support large-scale crop production. There is no way this can be sustainable.

For most of us who live in North America, a local (green) diet will mean eating some milk, meat and cheese for a few months every year.
10:50 PM on 05/04/2009
The main vegetarian substitutes for meat are legumes and grains. Legumes and grains are grown throughout the country and stored in dried form.
04:27 PM on 04/16/2009
Too true! but most people don't have a clue about nutrition even if they eat meat and dairy. We are the most overfed and undernourished nation because of this ignorance. Our education should include clear information about healthy diets, including vegetarian, vegan and omnivorous ones, so that people can make informed and healthy choices. I personally can't see going vegan, even without perfect nutrition info, as being nutritionally worse than eating the Standard American diet.
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04:21 PM on 04/15/2009
Industrial meat is gross. I only eat meat that I KILL myself.

Too many extremes in this argument. No meat is ridiculous. "Eat less meat," especially for some Americans is prudent.

It is possible to be a healthy vegan, however, you must take precaution to get enough protein. Beans are not enough. How many healthy vegan athletes are there? You need protein, and meat is the most efficient source.

Besides, I like bacon. I like steak. I love prosciutto. Meat tastes good.
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JeanRR
03:45 PM on 04/15/2009
Plants are living things. Plants have been shown to communicate with each other and to feel pain. No only that, plants are frequently consumed while still alive. Where is the outrage? Have we lost all sense of compassion?
04:23 PM on 04/15/2009
As a vegan I am tired of the argument. It is not that things are killed, things die and are killed everyday. It is that we grow most of our food for livestock and it is bad practice. Also, the way we raise our livestock it wrong and damaging. I believe it we did things better we would have healthier people, animals, and a better earth to live in. People need to shut it when it comes to that plant argument. It doesn't even make sense.
04:24 PM on 04/15/2009
what shall we eat? Rocks?
03:11 PM on 04/15/2009
Many cultures do not consume meat on the same level that Americans do and are very healthy. Eating meat is not necessary for a healthy, well-balanced diet. The high amount of meat consumption is adding to our obesity problems and lowering the average life expectancy. Soy causing cancer? How about all the chemicals pumped into the meat that you eat?
11:59 PM on 04/15/2009
Some cultures consume more meat and some cultures consume less, but there is no such thing as a primitive vegan culture.
04:41 PM on 04/16/2009
Yep, and we should totally halt our social, cultural and moral development at the level of primitive cultures. Why struggle to make the world more just and equitable? I think slavery was pretty universal, too. And if we go back far enough, I bet cannibalism was probably pretty common.
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TiredandPragmatic
And sometimes EnergeticandPartisan :)
12:17 PM on 04/15/2009
You cannot go fully vegetarian and be truly healthy. We are omnivores by nature. We need the proteins/amino acids provided by animal tissue, some of which cannot be provided by any means from plant protein sources. L-carnitine, an important amino acid for brain function, is only available from animal sources and supplementation (which is NOT an alternative - synthetic carnitine vs. natural.
12:46 PM on 04/15/2009
HA! What a joke! There are plant foods that are complete sources of all 9 essential amino acids. They include hemp, goji berries, and quinoa. If you eat a varied plant-based diet, protein and amino acids will NEVER BE AN ISSUE. Please do some more research on subject.
02:05 PM on 04/15/2009
I wouldn't know where to get "goji berries" or "quinoa" and I live in an affluent suburb. How are lower-income families in inner cities that often lack even a basic grocery store supposed to get all that stuff?

Elitist veggies always seem to assume that everyone has the time, money and education to seek out obscure foods like this. Most don't, and without knowing how to replace the nutrients most people get from meat, vegetarian diets can be very harmful.
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TiredandPragmatic
And sometimes EnergeticandPartisan :)
05:31 PM on 05/03/2009
Ok, yes, I can admit I was wrong about the L-carnitine. I am not sure what article I read, but I should've double checked it first before calling it out as fact. However, complete proteins are those which contain the right concentrations of the amino acids that humans cannot synthesize from other amino acids or nitrogenous sources. Plants do not necessarily contain the amino acids arranged for us into peptides that we cannot create ourselves from the same amino acids that are freebase. We should eat more vegetables, but we should still eat some meat, not completely abandon it because too much is bad. Guess what? Too much fructose is bad (high fructose corn syrup as one example), but it does come from fruit and some vegetables. Too much sucrose is bad, but it does come from sugar cane (a plant). Too much cellulose is bad because we cannot use it, it will only clean you out (and at some point, too clean and gassy...I know). Eating grapes in excess will give you diarrhea and multiple bananas will give you constipation. Too much avocado is excess fat, and too much soy is excess isoflavones (phyto-estrogens, and yes they are hormonal in humans). Too much of starchy veggies and grains is bad. Excess meat has a variety of health consequences, but excess of anything is bad. Moderate your diet, don't do extreme anything with your food.
09:08 AM on 05/07/2009
I suggest you read the China Study dear.
11:28 AM on 04/15/2009
We only buy chicken that is free range and drug free. NO soy in our house, it is a big allergen and that industry is as bad for theenvironment and our health as cattle feed lots. We do eat beans and luegumes often since meat is so expensive. We eat eggs everyday. Excellent source of animal protein. Human are omnivores and need to eat meat and vegetables. Vegetarians are not healthier than omnivores. The rates of cancer are the same. Less heart disease but that is also due to lower weight.
04:49 PM on 04/16/2009
I agree with you that soy is not a wonder food, and has become a serious allergen and environmental hazard.

I think you are wrong about the "need" to eat meat. Being an omnivore doesn't indicate that we "need" to eat both meat and vegetable, but that we are able to eat them both, giving us a wide range of options to get the nutrients we need. If vegetable sources can provide all of the nutrients we need in sufficient quantity, then we don't need meat. It makes us kind of special, to have that choice of foods rather than being dependent on a narrow range options.
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Fein
Either everybody counts or nobody does.
11:27 AM on 04/15/2009
Back in the 60s and 70s, there were decent Vegetarian restaurants which offered an alternative as well as promotion for non meat related gourmet food. But, they largely died out.

Most of the gains of our little 'social revolution' of the 760's is now lost. It took the Republicans and AIDS
20 years to destroy the chanegs that the 60s wrought in our society.
10:59 AM on 04/15/2009
You simply are not up on the latest ag news.

Chickens are omnivorous and thus are being fed the scraps from beef slaughter operations (waste not, want not). In return, chicken "litter" including everything that falls through the bottom of the cage, such as dropped feed (chickens are really sloppy eaters), feathers, poop, blood, etc, are dried, ground and fed to cattle. Although cattle are technically not omnivores, they have seven stomachs and can digest practically anything and cattle really love the stuff. Thus, wastes released by the cattle and chicken processing are being dramatically reduced compared to the old days before the advent of these new "advances" in agricultural science.

It seems to me we should be able to solve another waste problem by feeding "soylent green" to chickens, cows and even pigs. Why not "close the loop" of protein production?

By the way, what's for lunch?
02:00 AM on 04/16/2009
Whoa, hold on a second. Cattle don't have seven stomachs. They have one four-chambered stomach.
05:35 PM on 04/16/2009
Oops.
10:39 AM on 04/15/2009
Humans do not need to eat animal protein for optimum health, we need to do quite the opposite. There are other low fat proteins such as beans that we can eat and not only does it help the environment, our health, and the animals, but our wallets too.
08:43 AM on 04/15/2009
why not just decide which of your children you want to eat tonight? what difference is there in one animal and another. what is the difference in your pet dog and a cow?? Nothing! that's what . it is a sin to eat an animal ....period! and no amount of religion or anything else will ever make it right or decent or moral.
11:28 AM on 04/15/2009
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08:41 PM on 04/14/2009
So basically I should stop eating meat so the "developing world" can continue to breed themselves into wall-to-wall kiddies?

I fail to see either the higher moral purpose or the environmental advantages of such a choice.

Of course, if you're trying to develop a market for long pig, that would probably do it.

(Save the righteous indignation - the gods of inevitable progressivism gave up on me long ago.)
02:09 PM on 04/15/2009
That argument doesn't hold much water. First of all, there's no connection between industrial animal farming and third-world population, and second, you have a larger carbon footprint than an entire African village.
11:58 AM on 05/05/2009
I want to disagree with you. I wish I had a good rebuttal. Archontruth is absolutely right, but it only slighly dulls your point. Some developing countries want to develop to have carbon footprints like ours. Once developing populations reach the fourth stage of development, they will probably level off their populations, but how huge will the population get before that happens? Our carbon footprints are 50 times some of those people, but it won't be that way in a few generations. It is sad that we feed so much of our crops to animals so we can eat them while their are people starving, but much of the world's starvation is political. I don't think our cutting back will help the world's poor unless we redirect our resources saved to feeding those people. Progressives should cut down on meat on principle, but you make a good point that we would have some tough sledding if we wanted to get people that think like you on board.