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Too Young For College? My Fight Against Reverse Age Discrimination

Posted: 08/29/11 04:14 PM ET

Being turned down from the college of my dreams was heartbreaking.

But it was even worse when I found out it happened because I was "too young" to learn.

I'm Kelsey Caetano-Anollés, and at 17 I'm the youngest graduate the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign has ever had. At 14, I was the youngest student ever admitted to the school, and I graduated this spring with a Bachelor's degree in Psychology. But when I applied to UIUC for graduate school, I was told I was "too young," "lacked experience" and was even told that I would be better suited to "go backpacking through Europe" than to continue my studies.

We hear a lot about age discrimination in the workplace and I agree that this is a serious issue. But I'm arguing that age discrimination cuts two ways, which is why I started a campaign on Change.org calling for more legal protection to make sure young people aren't denied schooling or opportunities because of their age.

This year, I applied to the the Graduate Program in Psychology at the University of Illinois in Urbana/Champaign. After I applied, a professor in the department explicitly mentioned to me that it would be best for me if I took a year or two off backpacking in Europe and apply again after my return, stating that I would not be taken on board as graduate student because of my young age.

When I responded to her that I had no plans to put my career on hold because of my age, she replied, "Age does matter here." After I received the unofficial news that I had not been accepted into the program, I requested a meeting with the admission director to inquire about the reasons I was not selected.

To my surprise, when I met with the admission director and I started the conversation talking about my studies at UIUC, the admission director interrupted stating that my application to the graduate program was hampered by my young age. My family and I were in disbelief when we heard that age could have played a role in the selection process.

My mother asked if young age in a student like me, who had received nothing but straight As in the last semesters of classes, should be considered an asset. The admission director responded with the question, "Why do you believe that young age should be considered positive for the application? To the contrary..."

I was in disbelief that the same situation could have happened to me twice. At 14, I had applied to UUIC's undergraduate program but was denied because of my age -- even with a perfect high school GPA and an almost perfect ACT. I worked with State Senator Michael Frerichs to pass Bill 263 -- reversing the minimum age requirement for college admissions -- which passed unanimously in the Senate and in the House with only one vote against it.

I'm 17, but I consider that a benefit, not a drawback, as I work to continue my education and someday be a clinical psychologist. I'm shocked that a respected university would deny a student on the basis of their birthdate, and hope that others will join me in my fight against reverse age discrimination.

 
 
 
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Jennifer Zirn
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11:57 PM on 09/10/2011
I've only read part of the comments, but for what I read there are only 15 slots for graduates. Well, if that is the case they should have stated that with the limited spaces available we decide to pass on selecting you because of "whatever". Siting her age as one of the problems, where as they see as a negative, is a slippy slope that shouldn't be trended on.
08:33 AM on 09/08/2011
While I am sympathetic to your plight, there is one aspect of a graduate student which must be taken into consideration. While I will try not too seem judgmental, as I have never met you, a graduate student must exhibit maturity both academically(as you have), socially, and physically. Perhaps the admissions officers were worried about a 17 year old girl living off of campus, or perhaps she was worried about you being alone and isolated because of your age. Another turn off for admissions officers could have potentially been the presence of your parents in the application process. Social independence is a highly regarded skill, which most undergraduates cannot master, and thus get into a lot of trouble when trying to function without the help of a guardian. A University makes its money off of both private funding from companies and the government, tuition, and graduate donations, given back after they have entered the workforce. Potentially the graduate program no longer sees you able to get a job as a 18-19 year old M.S. in Psychology. It is hard to imagine significant amounts of full grown adults going to such a young clinical psychologist. Wherever I work in the scientific job force, I am treated as a child; and rightly so. No matter my grades, no matter my perfect SAT score, I am still only 17.
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Ruth1966
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04:36 PM on 09/10/2011
"Another turn off for admissions officers could have potentiall­y been the presence of your parents in the applicatio­n process."

==Bobby, her mother only showed up *after* she had been denied admission, fora meeting with the admissions director to get an answer as to why she was turned down. And that was so she could have a witness in the room to counter the school's ever shifting reasoning.

as to it being political, that seems to be an understatement.

Congrats on your perfect sat score! You may be 17 but in my book , your are a scientist-not a child. Age is a number-nothing more.

St Paul said to his protege, St Timothy, who was facing similar issues,
"Let no man despise your youth"
That's still good advice today. May God bless you and your work!

http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/sermons/let-no-one-despise-you-for-your-youth
08:00 PM on 09/10/2011
I agree with Ruth.
Also...I have followed up her replies to the comments posted about this article. I am convinced her answers are provided based upon experience and consideration, rather than on ignorance and prejudice.
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Ruth1966
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10:40 PM on 09/10/2011
1st Timothy chap 4 verse 12-16:
"Let no man despise your youth...."

Discriminating against someone based upon the things about them which are unchangeable such as age, gender, race, is wrong-in fact, it is ungodly.
Shame on UIUC.
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07:03 AM on 09/06/2011
Kelsey, I, like you, began college at 14 and completed my degree at an unusually young age. I experienced the same kind of irrational discrimination until I became old enough people could not look at me and guess that I'd been advanced; and even then I found that if people discovered my unique history I could not count on them to be positive about it. Because graduate school is highly political in nature, I found it best to simply not mention my age, and to let my academic successes speak for themselves without mention of my age.

Its grossly unfair that people feel they have a right to judge you based solely on your age, but you're not going to change any bigoted minds until you have your graduate degree in hand. I wish you the best luck in your campaign, but strongly suggest you look elsewhere for graduate studies where professors' minds are perhaps more open.
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Ruth1966
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01:44 AM on 09/07/2011
ts grossly unfair that people feel they have a right to judge you based solely on your age, but you're not going to change any bigoted minds until you have your graduate degree in hand. I wish you the best luck in your campaign,"

==Thank you so much for your sense of fairness,
and positive comment. I totally agree with you.
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06:17 PM on 09/04/2011
I was prompted to this site by a comment posted in change.org, “The school has launched a letter writing campaign to respond to her (Kelsey) article”. I doubted at first. However, unfortunately when reading the last few comments posted here I may have to recognize I could be wrong. Any prestigious university such as UIUC should never be involved in any smear campaign such as this. Twocosmicfish has claimed already to be from UIUC. MBT187 has provided data information that only UIUC members has access to. Comments from these two parties alone show a very strong bias.
Also there is something very disturbing about the statements of these school representatives. The fact that that they both have stated in one-way or the other that, “If she still has the goal of a Ph.D. she probably burned a lot of bridges with this article”. Does this mean UIUC will retaliate if this student decides to apply in the future? Interesting…coming from representatives of the university that may have launched a campaign to discredit her allegations of discrimination.
06:36 PM on 09/04/2011
No, no letter writing campaign that I know of. I apologize for not mentioning this sooner, but I am a third-year graduate student in psychology at UIUC (I am not in the clinical division). I have no say whatsoever in the admissions process, and I am not a representative of the school in any capacity. I have nothing to do with admissions and my opinions bear no weight on who does/does not get accepted. Anything I say should be taken only as my opinion, and I don't represent UIUC or UIUC's feelings on the matter in any way. In fact, I haven't heard anything about this incident in any news outlet around here or around the Psych building at all.

Also, all of the "data" I presented is publicly available on the UIUC Psychology website; stats on the acceptance rate/admissions criteria can be found here: http://www.psychology.illinois.edu/graduate/apply/. Information about the honors students can be found under the Summer 2011 issue of Psych Times, here: http://www.psychology.illinois.edu/alumni/newsletter/.

I cannot stress this enough: UIUC has said nothing about this to anyone in the department. There is no smear campaign, and I am not a UIUC representative. I'm just a grad student who got annoyed with the way that UIUC was being maligned by people who don't seem to understand how the Ph.D. admission process works, that's all.
06:40 PM on 09/04/2011
Yes, I attend UIUC, as an engineering grad student. Just because I am a student does not mean I am an agent. I am not speaking at the request of or on behalf of the university, nor do I receive any funding from them for any reason. My comments are not meant in any way to be specific to this university - I have degrees from 2 other schools, and would expect similar results from them. This was posted in a forum for grad students of which I am an active member, and my comments would have been the same no matter which school was being discussed. As a suggestion, I would suggest looking at that forum (I posted a link earlier) and checking out the responses - you will find that comments similar to mine are coming from students of a variety of schools and disciplines.

For that matter, my comments about her burning bridges are not in any way limited to UIUC. While I suspect they will take umbrage at her decision to protest this through the media rather than through the school or courts (and who wouldn't), I do not see how they can retaliate against her without first admitting her, and why would they do so? Other schools, however, are going to be less likely to admit her if they see association with her as a potential risk to their images and legal liability (as it has been for UIUC).
04:25 PM on 09/04/2011
Also, what's this idea around here that UIUC "had no right" to "stand in her way," that it was "her right" to attend UIUC for graduate school? 600 people apply to the UIUC psych department every year for ~15 spots. Do you think they should somehow accommodate 585 extra people because they all have the right to attend? When I send a manuscript out for publication and it's rejected, should I sue the journal because it's "my right" to have my work published there?

Incidentally, I feel bad for Kelsey; someone should have advised her against this. If she still has the goal of a Ph.D., she probably burned a lot of bridges with this article. Any potential advisor familiar with her from this incident will immediately wonder, what will happen when her grant proposal is rejected? Or she fails quals? Or her manuscript is torn apart? Will she cry discrimination every time? All academics (even the successful ones) face rejection every day, and it's ROUGH. We're told on the first day that the hardest lesson of grad school is getting used to rejection; most advisors specifically look for applicants they think will be highly resilient, because staying on track after every new soul-crushing rejection is necessary *JUST TO MAKE IT THROUGH GRAD SCHOOL* (even if she doesn't ultimately want a career in academia!) If this is her reaction to ONE rejection from the ONLY school she applied to, no mentor will think she's a good investment.
03:52 PM on 09/04/2011
Many people don't understand how Ph.D. programs work (and yes, she must have applied for a Ph.D.; UIUC doesn't offer a terminal MA for clinical psych). Other programs (like law/medicine) accept hundreds of applicants, who take classes and then graduate after 3-4 years. Doctoral programs are VERY different. This year's incoming UIUC psych cohort has 7 clinical students. Last year's had TWO. This is because doctoral programs are designed to be like "research apprenticeships." You don't actually apply to a school; you apply to a specific advisor, who personally picks 1-2 applicants that he/she wants to "mentor." A successful application targets the specific professor with whom one wants to work, describes relevant research/clinical experience, demonstrates the ability to devise interesting projects, and shows the candidate's potential to be a reliable, mature "mini-protege" for the professor to groom as an academic successor. Professors can only invest in a few students, so they handpick the ones that fit their interests and mentoring style the best. It's incredibly subjective, and mostly based on "fit" and relevant experience. Kelsey mentioned nothing about her research background. I checked to see if she even wrote an undergrad thesis, which would demonstrate research experience and also would've been a good way for her to begin working with (and ingratiate herself to) a potential future advisor, if she was really serious about graduate school. 14 UIUC undergrads wrote Psychology theses last year. Kelsey wasn't one of them.
08:03 PM on 09/03/2011
Although some of us agree a 17 years old may not have the needed "life experience", we should agree that if Kelsey was seeking publicity she certainly got it. There is no such thing as bad publicity. All publicity is good publicity. For Kelsey this is her momentum and with the help of all of our comments things will be getting better. More than 300 comments have been posted in the HuffPost alone. Same comments have been posted also in other sites, totaling more than 1,000. In addition, comments seem to be repeating themselves. Nothing new can be added. We do not know much about Kelsey and this case. Everything is pure speculation.
I am sure that Kelsey and her family are hoping for this thread to continue for ever. Their phone probably is ringing off the hook with lawyers offering their services pro bono, especially those interested in cases with potential to become highly publicized, to spotlight their careers.
What is troubling is the public's fascination with the case. The need to make this girl an immature and unqualified teen for admission into a PhD program is how she is getting the help she needs. Our fascination have put criminals back on the street (OJ, Robert Blake, Casey Anthony).made unqualified politicians (Palin, Trump) possible presidential candidates, and now we are even helping children get into graduate programs. Lets keep on feeding the beasts. Perhaps we will be able to learn from our mistakes one day.
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Ruth1966
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11:31 PM on 09/03/2011
"What is troubling is the public's fascinatio­n with the case. The need to make this girl an immature and unqualifie­d teen for admission into a PhD program "

==I partially agree, except it's not so much the public, as it is
a gaggle of school apologists who have propelled this thread much farther
than it might otherwise have gone.

They just cannot let it go, because they have
been embarrassed.

And as you intimated, they desperately want to discredit her.
and thats the kind of bullying that motivates me to defend her.==
12:08 AM on 09/04/2011
"they desperatel­y want to discredit her"

I did not read many of these messages since they seem to be all written by the same group of people. However, can it be possible that the school that denied admission to this young lady has in fact launched a letter writing campaign to discredit her article?
01:46 PM on 09/04/2011
I could just as easily surmise that you are bitter over your own bad experiences in or applying to grad school and are simply jumping on any bandwagon that makes colleges look bad. I would rather focus on the actual issue, but if that's not okay with you, let me know.

I am neither embarrassed nor do I want to discredit her. Rather, I find some of her actions well out of place for a serious applicant and that makes me question the objectivity of her personal and abbreviated version of what happened. I think her assumption that age discrimination kept her out of grad school is presumptive when top grad programs routinely reject 90+% of their applicants. Grad admissions is highly subjective, and GPA and GRE scores only account for one small part of the package. Most applicants will be rejected by a majority of programs to which they apply, and many will apply several years before getting acceptance to a good program.

Out of curiosity, what is your experience with grad school admissions Ruth?
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10:25 PM on 09/02/2011
To all the people saying that she should not have brought her parents to the meeting, please remember that she's a minor. She cannot enter into a contract without her parents' assent.The special circumstances of her youth mean that some things about the process will simply be different.

Also, part of being a clinical psychologist is doing actual field work. People respond differently to one so young, which would interfere with her ability to participate in the program. There's also the fact that people six to eight years older than her are *routinely* told that they lack the experience required for a graduate program.
10:09 AM on 09/03/2011
On your first point, I do not think this particular meeting is anything for which parental involvement would be required. While she almost certainly required parental involvement for some documents and other issues, her parents are not required to attend every meeting between her and her professors, even a meeting such as this. I entered college at 17, and the only involvement my parents had was in signing a few papers - I see no reason why the involvement of her parents would be any greater for the grad school application process.

On your second point (her age wrt field work), that is arguable - just as there are groups that would respond poorly to her age, there are no doubt other groups (teens) that might respond better! Of course, that means that her age might be an issue depending on the research of the professors she wanted to work with - if she wants to work with a professor focused on a population with age issues, then she has a problem.

On your last point, DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER! Racing through school gets you done faster but also means you often skip a lot of the extra stuff that really differentiates top graduates. She graduated at 17, but how competitive is her resume BEYOND her GPA? If the program is only taking 5-10% of the applicants, she better be stellar if she wants a spot.
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07:14 AM on 09/06/2011
Well, I followed a timeline similar to this author's, and my resume was impeccable. Extracurricular activities (and awards) in theater, music, and sports; years of volunteering at a local nursing home, student government, various student committees, honor societies (general and field-specific), and undergraduate research.

What she missed wasn't a full college experience (she took the full normal time to do this!) but likely middle school, where your resume really isn't very important for anything in your life past high school.

I, too, experienced discrimination at every step, but discovered that simply staying the course and exploring other possible schools made all the difference.
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01:46 PM on 09/03/2011
I was 14 when I joined Tulane University as an undergrad and my parents never showed up even once, nor were they ever requested...
12:23 AM on 09/02/2011
I agree with most of the comments below. As a graduate student myself, I know that experience in the field is much more valuable than good grades. For most programs, a few years of experience are required before you can even apply. I completed my years of experience while in undergrad because I had a job in my field while going to school. At 22, I was one of the youngest in my program. Many people started after 10 years of working in the field. Grad school is different than undergrad, and much different than high school.

Furthermore, your inability to see that you'd actually benefit from the field experience (gives you an opportunity to decide your research focus area, interests, etc.) shows that you are not ready for a graduate program- especially in clinical psychology.

Congratulations on being the "youngest person to do this, the youngest person to do that", but in life, there are some things where age is a factor and rightly so. Good luck in the future.
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01:47 PM on 09/03/2011
Ageist.
12:52 AM on 09/01/2011
All that was listed in the article was strait A's and a high ACT score. You need MUCH more than that to get into a top ranked clinical PhD program. Even if she had everything else (GRE, research experience, good match, ect) she still might not get in because so many outstanding applicants get turned down because there just isn't enough spots available.

Laypeople will read this and think what a tragedy it is for this girl, but anyone who knows anything about grad school will laugh.
05:45 PM on 09/03/2011
Pretty much. I am a PhD student in psychology and an aspiring professor. This is not really a place for a 17-year-old; it's also not just about grades and test scores, and the fact that she thinks it is and doesn't understand her professors' reasoning OR have a good counterargument for it shows her immaturity IMO.
02:58 PM on 09/04/2011
Agreed. Grad school isn't just about grades and test scores like high school and even college was. It is much more about becoming a competent professional in one's field which requires a host of experiences a 17 year old would probably not have. I'm also a PhD student and even though I just turned 22, I still feel like I have a lot of maturing to do.
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09:07 PM on 09/03/2011
I notice that the "neuron" in Mr Neuron is singular, and hence apropos.
01:35 PM on 09/04/2011
His comment seemed both coherent and sensible to me. Conversely, your reply seemed childish, insulting, and pointless.
10:28 PM on 08/31/2011
A clinical psychology degree is not a purely academic degree. Clinical training begins immediately in most graduate programs. Not only does she need to excel academically, but she needs to be able to handle the clinical work. For this, she does need a certain amount of maturity and experience. Being mature for a 17-year-old is not the same as having the maturity to be a decent therapist. I would never seek mental health treatment from a 17-year-old, even if under the supervision of a licensed clinician. And, if you want to be treated like an adult, don't bring your mom to fight your battles.
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04:40 PM on 08/31/2011
Emily Dickinson never left the United States and only left her native Amherst Massachusetts
twice to see doctors in nearby states. Without ever having gone "backpacking"
she accomplished far more than the pompous
apologists for this small minded university.

"I never saw a Moor --
I never saw the Sea --
Yet know I how the Heather looks
And what a Billow be.

I never spoke with God
Nor visited in Heaven --
Yet certain am I of the spot
As if the Chart were given --"

Emily Dickinson
12:58 PM on 09/01/2011
Emily Dickinson was not responsible for the mental and emotional state of other human beings and as far as I know did not apply to a graduate program in clinical psychology. That's a very poor straw man.
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01:59 PM on 09/03/2011
The very suggestion that anyone, without regard to profession, is or even could be "responsible for the mental and emotional state" of anohter human being is laughable and the height of hubris - at least on this particular topic. ... you MUST be a psychologist.

The mind is a funny thing; you never know what's going to go in or come out.
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10:56 PM on 09/03/2011
"Emily Dickinson was not responsibl­e for the mental and emotional state of other human beings "

==Pray tell, who is responsible for *yours*.??==
08:46 PM on 09/01/2011
Of course Emily Dickinson was great, no one disagrees with you :D. However, in this case, we have no evidence of age discrimination besides hurt words from a rejected applicant. As a matter of fact, any response by a university about the circumstances of a rejection is highly irregular and could easily have been fabricated entirely. I highly doubt UIUC would have rejected her if she had impressed them as an undergrad student... This kind of thing is golden fodder for admissions advertising bragging rights. I wish her the best and I hope she doesn't give up, but graduate school is really tough to get into--being gifted doesn't mean much because most applicants will be gifted and significant portion of even the perfect application is based on how well the adcom thinks the applicant will fit into the department.
03:15 PM on 08/31/2011
Speaking as a clinical psych student, the comments for not being admitted are valid. I wasn't accepted into my first 5 universities at 24 because I did lack experience - both research experience and counseling experience. It is remarkable that you have your BS in Psych at 17 and it is a great achievement. But it doesn't mean that any person is accepted into a clinical program. There are so many factors that indicate whether or not a student will enter clinical psychology. GRE scores, GPA, each are a factor, but so is matching rate to a mentor, experience that an individual brings to the school and a plethora of other factors.

So I ask, what research or life experiences does the applicant bring into the equation? What is the major area of focus? You have a bill to your name to reverse a decision regarding age of application to university. What of your psychological research experience? Any direct clinical experience?

I am really sorry it happened to you, because last year I was there too (not as young as you but still young and didn't have much to give a program). Work as an RA, work at a hospital for a year. Take some grad level courses out of bid. It helps because it contributes to your age shortcoming. Then reapply at 18 or even 19. A doctoral degree isn't something to be taken lightly and there has to be some emotional maturity as well as strict clinical experiences.
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02:00 PM on 09/03/2011
"But it doesn't mean that any person is accepted into a clinical program."

You apparently missed the detail where she was told point blank that the (or a primary) REASON was age.
12:42 PM on 08/31/2011
As a clinican scientist, I like quantifiable data...so let's look at the admissions data from last year for UIUC: 10 of 241 (4%) applicants offered admission. The median score included: GRE: 1380 (V:630, Q: 750), Psych GRE: 690, GPA: 3.87. These data are typically used to make the first cut from the applicant pool.

Research experience is vital. Most applicants have at least 2 years of experience in an established, granted funded, lab. They also typically have poster presentations, completed thesis, and possible a publication on their CV. If students do not have a strong research background and they cannot speak to their area of interest with sufficient insight, they will not make the next cut.

The last, and arguably most important aspect of a competitive applicant is the research match. What are the chances that Kelsey's research interest matches up well enough with the *available* mentors that are looking to take a student for the upcoming year? This is why applicants apply nationally.

At the end of the day, age has very little if anything to do with this case, but *applicable experience* has everything to do with it. If she does not have adequate research experience AND if her research interests do not closely align with one of the 3-4 professors looking to take a student, she has ZERO shot at even securing an interview.
11:09 PM on 08/31/2011
It sounds like you really know a lot about this program and perhaps you were even one of the people reviewing last years applications. However, the data of last year has nothing to do with the data of this year since apparently this kid applied this year and not the last.
Also, the girl was told by the university officials that age was the reason for her denial of admission. Her research interests, poster presentati­ons, completed thesis, and possible a publicatio­n on her CV, has nothing to do with the reasons of denial provided by the counselor.
12:15 AM on 09/01/2011
I'm a clinical psychologist who looked up the most recent available data for UIUC admissions (Every APA-acred Doctoral programs in Clinical/Counseling Psych must post their Educational Outcome Data on their website). If you compare the data I used to prior years, it hangs together rather well. This suggests competitiveness is relatively stable year to year, so it is fair to assume that the current cycle of applicants will be similar to applicants from prior years.

The rejected applicant is *claiming* the only reason she was rejected was her age, which I highly doubt. I have interviewed dozens of applicants for university and clinical internship training programs (not UIUC), and I have often recommended "more experience before re-applying" because the applicant is weak in one or more of the areas i noted above. Keep in mind that students often get rejected from programs because there was a *better* fit for the open spot, and not because the student was completely deficient across all areas. Multiple application cycles are common for study in this area.

The selection process for any decent program is rigorous, as your competition is the best of the best from undergraduate and graduate programs. Unlike HS--> Undergrad, grades really don't carry much weight outside of the 1st cut. Everyone is a 3.8+, top of their class, student gov't rep, etc.
05:48 PM on 09/03/2011
We are only hearing her side of the story; she is simply saying that they said it was age and not experience. And do you have any experience with graduate programs? They stay fairly consistent with their admissions from year to year unless they are making drastic curricular changes, so yes, the data of last year have everything to do with the data for this year. It's very likely that UIUC is going to hold their applicants to the same standard, and requiring at least 2 years of research experience and some presentations and independent study is characteristic of all top psychology PhD programs.
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08:34 AM on 08/31/2011
She should join the military, my daughter was working as a researcher at USAMRIID when she was 17. I bet she could get a perfect ASVAB score and be assigned to a hospital as an officer. Life does not get much more real than that.
05:50 PM on 09/03/2011
Was she working as a researcher, or was she working as a research assistant? There's a big difference between the two.

Also, officers don't take the ASVAB, and with only a BS in psychology, no service would place her in a hospital as a clinical psychologist officer in a hospital regardless of what her officer qualifying test scores were. You have to have a qualifying degree.
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08:38 PM on 09/03/2011
She started out as a research assistant, she is an epidemiologist now.

It doesn't matter, it is a start and it is real life experience unlike a year working at Starbucks.