More

Featuring fresh takes and real-time analysis from HuffPost's signature lineup of contributors
Kerry Trueman

Kerry Trueman

GET UPDATES FROM Kerry Trueman

Let's Ask Marion Nestle: Does Factory Farming Have a Future?

Posted: 04/13/11 09:10 AM ET

(With a click of her mouse, EatingLiberally's kat, aka Kerry Trueman, corners Dr. Marion Nestle, NYU professor of nutrition and author of Pet Food Politics, What to Eat and Food Politics:)

KAT: We talk a lot about the factory farms that provide most of our meat, poultry, eggs, and dairy products, but most Americans have no idea what really goes on inside a CAFO, or Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation.

You, however, saw a number of these fetid facilities firsthand when you served on the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production a couple of years ago. And industrial livestock production's role in degrading our environment, undermining our health, abusing animals and exploiting workers in the name of efficiency has been well-documented, most recently in Dan Imhoff's massive, and massively disturbing, coffee table book CAFO: The Tragedy of Industrial Animal Factories.

Given all the problems inherent in industrial livestock production, do you see a future for factory farming?

Dr. Nestle: I do not think factory farming is going away. Most people like meat and want to eat it, and do so the minute they get enough money to buy it.

I think a more realistic question is this: Can factory farming be done better? The interesting thing about the Pew Commission's investigations was that we were taken to factory farms where people were trying to do things right, or at least better. Even so, it was mind-boggling to see an egg facility that gave whole new meaning to the term "free range." And these eggs were organic, yet. The hens were not caged, but there were thousands of them all over each other. This place did a fabulous job of composting waste and the place did not smell bad. But it did not in any way resemble anyone's fantasy of chickens scratching around in the dirt.

Factory farming raises issues about its effects on the animals, the environment, the local communities, and food safety. As someone invested in public health and food safety, I care about all of those. The effects on the animals are obvious, and those will never go away no matter how well everything else is done.

But the everything else could be done much, much better. The first big issue is animal waste. It stinks. It's potentially dangerous. Most communities have laws that forbid this level of waste accumulation, but the laws are not enforced, often because the communities are poor and disenfranchised.

The second is antibiotics, particularly the use of antibiotic drugs as growth promoters. This selects for antibiotic-resistant bacteria and is, to say the least, not a good idea.

The factory farming system could be greatly improved by forcing the farms to manage waste and restricting use of antibiotics. This will not solve the fundamental problems, but it will help.

I'm hoping that more environmentally friendly meat production will expand, and factory farming will contract. That would be better for public health in the short and long run.

Manure runoff from barns
1 of 6
Fugitive Waste: Despite efforts to contain manure from CAFOs through infrastructure and nutrient management plans, the wastes often become "fugitive," washing into waterways and traveling airborne across communities. The result is what Brother David Andrews of Food and Water Watch has called a "fecal flood" in rural areas across America.

Humane Society of the United States/CAFO: The Tragedy of Industrial Animal Factories
Total comments: 137 | Post a Comment
1 of 6
Rate This Slide
Foul
Fabulous

  • 1

  • 2

  • 3

  • 4

  • 5

  • 6

  • 7

  • 8

  • 9

  • 10
Current Top 5 Slides
Users who voted on this slide
loading...

If you're in the NYC area, please join Eating Liberally and Kitchen Table Talks this Thursday, April 14th at NYU's Fales Library to hear Dr. Nestle, Dan Imhoff, and Pulitzer prize-winning New York Times investigative reporter Michael Moss address the question "What's the Matter with Mass-Produced Meat?" The discussion will be moderated by Paula Crossfield of Civil Eats. Event details here.

 

Follow Kerry Trueman on Twitter: www.twitter.com/kerrytrueman

(With a click of her mouse, EatingLiberally's kat, aka Kerry Trueman, corners Dr. Marion Nestle, NYU professor of nutrition and author of Pet Food Politics, What to Eat and Food Politics:) KAT: We ta...
(With a click of her mouse, EatingLiberally's kat, aka Kerry Trueman, corners Dr. Marion Nestle, NYU professor of nutrition and author of Pet Food Politics, What to Eat and Food Politics:) KAT: We ta...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 137
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Bloggers
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3  Next ›  Last »  (3 total)
12:14 PM on 04/17/2011
Do something about it: http://www.meatlessmonday.com
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Derek Lantin
Writer.
09:20 AM on 04/17/2011
Sir

In the UK, the factory farms exist because of the pricing structure of the large supermarket chains.

The supermarket chains stipulate the prices that they are prepared to pay. Only the most efficient factory farms can manage to supply food at the prices stipulated.

The consumers are happy to enjoy the low prices, but they would probably be horrified if they knew the conditions under which the food was produced.

Derek Lantin. http://dereklantin.booksabuzz.com
photo
farmilyman
everything is illusion
07:55 AM on 04/16/2011
Factory farming is a stain on humanity.
12:42 AM on 04/15/2011
just don't eat meat.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
amber15
02:11 AM on 04/16/2011
F&F works for me
10:53 PM on 04/14/2011
China is planning to produce and install 80 million biogas digesters by 2020, which produce gas and electricity from faeces, or your run off. Is this too hard for America?
05:41 PM on 04/14/2011
The antibiotic thing really freaks me out. We need to seriously crack down on this before deadly strains develop resistance. This is a threat to public health.
photo
FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:30 AM on 04/16/2011
While I think antibiotics should only be used in livestock when it's needed to actually treat a disease, the vast majority of antibiotic abuse in the USA comes from doctors who write unnecessary prescriptions.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
amber15
02:07 AM on 04/16/2011
where do you get this stuff???

The MAJORITY of anti-biotic use is from CAFO"s!!

duh....Did you even look at the pictures off massive animals crammed together so tight they can barely breathe? Anti-biotics keep them from getting sick. YOU eat them and then YOU ingest it.
03:58 AM on 04/16/2011
My understanding (and, no, this is not from vegan websites) is that the reverse is true - the vast majority of antibiotic abuse is from giving subtherapeutic levels of antibiotics to livestock to allow them to survive the unnatural conditions of the feedlot and the factory farm. Please correct me with good information if I'm wrong.

Of course you're right that it shouldn't occur with humans, either. Physicians who know better will prescribe antibiotics to patients with the common cold in the absence of secondary infections, despite the fact that viruses do not respond to antibiotics, just to get patients like John Q. Ignorant to stop nagging them.
photo
Pandoras Folly
This Micro-bio is of legendary quality
03:05 PM on 04/14/2011
there is an episode of King Of the Hil were Hank gets tired of the big box meat market since its....well crap. He finds a local co op and joins it, brings home organic veggies and meat.
Bobby "Asks what is this?!?! it delicious!!"
Hank states "its a tomatoe son"
Peggy"This can't be a tomatoe it tastes good."
Hank" they said this is real food"
peggy"then what have we been eating?!?!"
05:41 PM on 04/14/2011
I love that episode! (and that show, period!)
photo
Pandoras Folly
This Micro-bio is of legendary quality
03:02 PM on 04/14/2011
Meh eventually we'll replace the factory farm system with Vat Grown meat. The first companies to use it will be the fast food chains and industrial food products. Later the quality will get better untill they are turning out cuts of meat from different "Animals" maybe even onese that don't exist, like Rack of Duck, Veal Breast, Chicken Chops, and Oyster steaks. If you want "Real Meat" you'll ether raise it yourself or go to meat shop to buy it and it will be very high quality.

oh on the plus side animal lovers will be able to won Kill Free leather that was grown in Vats.
photo
HUFFPOST BLOGGER
Andrew Gunther
02:25 PM on 04/14/2011
The question isn't "does it have a future" the question must be "Factory farming doesn't have a future, how can we feed the world in a way that doesn't leave our antibiotics useless, our river full of pesticides and nitrogen and our ozone layer depleted?"

The facts are simple industrial agriculture is by design a user of antibiotics, a polluter and a social destroyer. The system is broken and must be changed to walk in harmony with the planet rather than in spite of the planet. We must learn from the recent earth quakes we cannot dominate nature!!!!!
photo
HazelPethigFan
I don't know until I know
12:12 AM on 04/15/2011
social destroyer? That's a certainly a new one, Andrew.

Destroying the ozone? So is there anything that farmers DON'T destroy?. Darn those air conditioned tractors with that ozone destroying freon...oh wait...city slicker cars outnumber tractors 100000 to 1. Nevermind.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
amber15
02:08 AM on 04/16/2011
your arrogance never ceases to amaze me......
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Adam Betz
O RLY??
01:02 PM on 04/14/2011
To comment on the popular opinion that "CAFOS are evil, small farms are good" mantra ...

I think its not entirely true that the CAFOs and non-organic farms are to blame. I do think its true that they are so interested in growing yield, as rapidly as they can, but you have to wonder why that is. The truth is, these large farms are responding to the market: demand for fresh food, especially meat, is very high in our country. Our population is accustomed to expecting a certain lifestyle and diet (one that includes a high percentage of animal protein), and these farms are having a hard enough time just meeting that demand. With our population growing, this demand is only going to increase in the future.

If you can support organic, sustainable, local farms to get your produce and meat, more power to you. If you also decide to go veg*n , also a good thing for promoting health for your body and the environment. I think the author had it right that these large farms, as bad as they have been in the past, are a necessity in our country - and that the answer lies in making them safer both on the environment, the animals, and our own health.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
amber15
02:08 AM on 04/16/2011
total bs.
12:00 PM on 04/14/2011
I highly recommend everyone take 2 hours out of their week and watch Food Inc. It is available on Netflix watch instant.This documentary will completely change the way you see food. It shows how honestly every bit of sustenance we intake is contaminated and over processed. It also shows how corporate farming is trying to push out small local organic farmers. After watching this film I truly was turned off by all food except locally grown produce. It's a game changer for sure.
OverseasVet
Stationed not deployed
02:14 PM on 04/14/2011
Corporate farmers don't care about local organic farmers. They certainly don't think long enough about them to scheme about puting them out of business. The corporate farmers put out a better product at a quarter of the price and the organic farm cannot compete. The whole concept of organic came about by small farmers trying to compete and find a niche to sell their product. They found that niche with the hypochondriacs who don't mind spending 4x the price for buggy lettuce.
03:37 PM on 04/14/2011
I would completely beg to differ. I think corporate farmers are really scared of these small local farmers. When you compare the terrible quality of food they are producing compared to an organic farmers amazing quality and standards it's a big difference. The food you get from a regular grocery store is terrible quality and has so many chemicals in them it's almost unbearable. That's why we are having such probalems with E.Coli and salmonella. Corp farmers wash their meat products in ammonia bleach baths to try and kill bacteria and it still doesn't work. They pump animals so full of antibiotics just so they can get them to slaughter weight faster. No wonder we have so many antibiotic resistent diseases like MRSA and CRKP. It's really a scary fact. I'm not a hypochondriac but I simply don't trust 5 companies is the entire US to produce all my food. There is no quality control.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
biskitdaddy
Sit down and eat your peas!
03:46 PM on 04/14/2011
All of the above works in the favor of the medical community and the pharmaceutical industry. They're going to have an overabundance of sick, lazy obese people to take care of (cha ching!).
10:45 AM on 04/14/2011
It won't change, not with the growth in population. We are going to have A LOT of people to feed.
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
11:21 AM on 04/14/2011
As long as a majority of people don't ask questions about where their food comes from and how it is produced, the factory farms will thrive.
OverseasVet
Stationed not deployed
02:16 PM on 04/14/2011
300 million people just in the US. It takes a dedicated commercial business to feed them.
photo
FlaviaDeLuce
books rule
01:46 PM on 04/15/2011
with what is going on in the environment, we don't have much long to go...
09:02 AM on 04/14/2011
...in t-bag nation...of course...NOTHING is more important to Americans than their all you can eat buffets....
05:39 PM on 04/14/2011
LOL...so true!! It's pathetic, really...
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
purenergy
07:44 AM on 04/14/2011
Is Marion Nestle anyway related the the Neslte food group?
03:23 PM on 04/14/2011
Not to my knowledge, no.
07:18 PM on 04/16/2011
Nope, her name is pronounced "Nes-Uhl," rather than "Nest-Lee."
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cadawa
02:41 AM on 04/14/2011
Let's hope this nightmarish, wasteful industry that disrespects the lives of both animals it rears and their customers doesn't have a futre.