Republican Nominee Most Threatened By Independent Presidential Candidate

Posted February 7, 2008 | 09:36 PM (EST)



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Now that the field of candidates has narrowed...could it expand again?

The Democrats are down to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Mitt Romney is gone. John McCain is the putative Republican candidate and is left battling Mike Huckabee, who would have to win just about every single primary left to gain enough delegates to win the nomination. But voters aren't necessarily ready to settle for these choices. Conservatives aren't happy with John McCain; the Democrats are so close in votes and delegates that some voters could still be swayed to vote for an independent. And most notable for the general election, a New York Times/CBS News poll last fall showed that 32% of voters nationwide describe themselves as independents. This means that almost one-third of the electorate, ineligible for their state primaries, have yet to cast a vote.

There are three plausible candidates who could run as independents:

Ron Paul Yes, Ron Paul is currently running on the Republican ticket. However, he has fewer delegates than Huckabee--if he won the rest of the primaries, he still wouldn't have enough to win the GOP nomination. But what has been Ron Paul's weakness in state primaries could be an asset in a national election. It's been well-documented that Paul has an extremely dedicated base of supporters who are organized and tech-savvy. They show up everywhere and have been able to raise funds at a rate that far outpaced some of his more famous rivals. But here's the problem: if he has, for example, twenty million supporters nationwide (again, this is just a hypothetical number), but only 6000 in a state that's holding a primary, he barely registers. However, if every one of his supporters can vote in a general election, then he can at least make an impact on the race.

Paul has generally said that he won't run as an independent or third party candidate, but in a December appearance on Meet the Press he left the door open a fraction. He has the money to run and the campaign infrastructure to do the work to get him on ballots across the nation, so it's certainly a possibility.

Mike Bloomberg The two-term New York City mayor keeps saying he's not planning on entering the race, but that doesn't mean the rumblings about his potential candidacy have quieted. A number of "Bloomberg for President" websites (draftbloomberg, uniteformike, Mike Bloomberg 2008) persist. Bloomberg appeals to Republicans who are more focused on fiscal conservatism than social conservatism, and to independents who are more pragmatic than ideological. A New York Daily News article on February 3rd gave the reasons why a Bloomberg run is less likely than ever, the most important being the rise of John McCain. But there's a long nine months before the election and a lot can happen; if McCain falters or anything else occurs to make the race more fluid, Bloomberg has the money and connections to jump in and put together a campaign quickly.

Ralph Nader In a January 31st interview with Democracy Now, Nader said that he had set up an exploratory committee and website to figure out whether he could put together enough volunteers in each state to run a campaign. Nader ran as an independent in 2004, but stated that if he decided to enter the race now, it would most likely be as the Green Party candidate (which is how he ran in 1996 and 2000). Nader, of course, appeals to the portions of the left who don't think the current candidates speak for them--environmentalists and populists, for examples.

A third party or independent candidate would have a noticeable effect on the race. On January 29th, the Rasmussen Reports released the results of a poll that showed 26% of American voters believed it likely that Bloomberg would enter the presidential race and 29% thought Ron Paul would eventually run as an independent. Of the voters surveyed, 15% said that they would vote for one of these candidates.

According to the survey, a Republican candidate would suffer the most from these independent entries. In a proposed McCain-Obama matchup, Obama led McCain by five points. When Bloomberg and Paul are added as options, Obama's lead increases to seven points, with Paul taking 11% of the vote and Bloomberg taking 5%. The poll was done with Romney still in the race and matched him with Clinton; in that case, the addition of Bloomberg and Paul increased Clinton's lead by 14 points. In all matchups, the inclusion of the two third-party candidates attracted 13% to 17% from the Republicans, but only 5% to 10% from the Democrats. Nader, who wasn't included in the poll, would most likely take votes from Democrats and independents.

So while it may seem as though the choices for president are locked in, there is still a chance that a wild card could enter and disrupt the race. And with many months left to go in this long campaign, there's plenty of time remaining for wildness.


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One thing for sure, McCain or Huckabee with their pro-war, pro-Bush policy stands - will NEVER win over any of us Ron Paul supporters.
We still want our constitution back, and we want out of Bush's wars!


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 02/10/2008

If John McCain does not manage to receive the 1,191 delegates necessary to win the republican nomination, the race turns into a brokered convention. At that point the delegates would decide the nominee. Delegates are not actually obligated to vote for any certain candidate, so any republican candidate still in the race would have a possibility of winning.

Ron Paul will stay in the republican race until a nominee is selected, and will not make a third party run if he is not the nominee. In making a third party run he would lose his congressional seat, and that would not be in his or anyone else's best interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/09/2008
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I'm still hoping all three run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/08/2008

surely, you could do a better job at explaining the delegate process from State to Convention.

Why do you think Huckabee and Paul are staying in the race?

BECAUSE IT ISN'T OVER BY A LONG SHOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 02/08/2008
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Pdubya -- Right you are! What sane Republican (and there might be a few) would vote for either the MadBomber or the Preacher? Oh yeh, just what's we need -- more war and a bigger Nanny State. As Yogi said, "It ain't over until its over" -- and it ain't over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 02/09/2008


Hello everyone,
By our very preliminary count from you reports it is looking like we have at least twice the delegates as the other candidates!!
For this day and until the count shows otherwise I want you to congratulate yourselves for WINNING Washington State for Ron Paul!!
I wish I could share every single story I have heard over the past few days and all the happy reports from Ron Paul enclaves in WA towns I have never even heard of!
Please know this¦the National Campaign is seeing these kind of successes all over the country¦Every day that goes by we have new supporters and new contributers. I can"t believe I am saying this¦I thought certainly I would sleep for 4 days once the 9th was over¦but I am already so excited to prepare for our County Conventions!! The next few weeks are going to be very important¦There were stories from almost every precinct about Huckabee and Romney voters changing their support to Ron Paul. Unfortunately some of the biggest threats to the Freedom Revolution can still come from within¦our own perceptions¦please read Ron"s letter again until you see the part that states he we are going to the National Convention! You know things have changed every day in this campaign with new information and new victories changing the course¦now we have given him Washington and made the road to the Minneapolis a lot more golden!!
I will update you all when we get more final results¦
You all did a wonderful job. Just wonderful.


Thank you for all you do!
Maureen McMahan Moore
Washington State Coordinator
Ron Paul 2008
425-345-4913

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/11/2008
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