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Reconciling Science and Religion: How Did These Great Minds Do It?

Posted: 07/ 6/2010 3:00 am

In the beginning, I sought out people with an overt passion to reconcile science and religion in their discipline and in their person. Sir John Polkinghorne is one of the most prominent of these globally--a Cambridge quantum physicist who also became a Cambridge theologian in midlife and has written eloquently about finding both science and religion necessary to interpret the "rich, varied and surprising way the world actually is." I found his approach revelatory as I was cautiously finding my own way back to religion after Berlin. As a physicist, Polkinghorne sees a universe that is "supple" and "subtle"--a mix of determinism and of freedom--and this informs his imagination about the nature of God, what happens when we die, and what happens when he prays.

But as the years progressed I've been equally intrigued, and driven to new places in my own thinking, by scientists like the theoretical physicist and novelist Janna Levin. She is exploring the shape and finitude of the universe. She is fascinated by mathematical insights into how we can know what is real and true and how free we really might be. She is not a religious person in any sense, but her scientific inquiry is philosophically and spiritually evocative, rich in the raw materials of theology. Albert Einstein was more like Janna Levin than John Polkinghorne. His famous quip that "God does not play dice with the universe" is often wrongly imagined as a statement of faith, when in fact it was a clever barb tossed in a strictly scientific argument. Focusing as he did on the evolution of stars and galaxies and on intangible substances of light, time, and gravity, Einstein seemed to present little to offend religion. But as much as or more than Darwin's natural laws of evolution, Einstein's laws of physics could not tolerate a meddling divine hand.

Einstein approached science itself with a religious awe, as the physicist Freeman Dyson tells us. Yet as a young colleague of Einstein at Princeton, Dyson saw him become more philosophical as he grew older, leaving behind a rich body of reflection on the "mind" and "superior spirit" behind the cosmos. And as the astrophysicist Paul Davies describes in these pages, modern imaginations have yet to catch up to the potential spiritual implications of the way Einstein reframed our understanding of space and time. Einstein's dismissal of a "personal God" might have struck some in his time as heretical, but his self-described "cosmic religious sense" is intriguingly resonant with twenty-first century sensibilities. There has simply been too little space in our public life up to now to hear such echoes.

Here, as in so many other realms of life, a wider lens of perspective can make all the difference. For example, it is important to see--though this basic fact is rarely invoked alongside global characterizations of the "religion versus science" scenario--that only in Christianity were defining battle lines drawn after the Enlightenment between the forms of knowledge that religion and science pursue. Those battle lines galvanize a few of the traditions of Christianity and others inconsistently or not at all. The first presiding bishop of the U. S. Episcopal Church to be elected in this century is a marine biologist by training. The scientist who presided over the Human Genome Project that first mapped human DNA is an evangelical Christian.

Antiscience perspectives are even more marginal in the sweep of the world's great religious and spiritual traditions. There are few strident Jewish voices in the science-centered "moral values" debates of American culture of recent memory, from abortion to stem-cell research. And there are theological, not merely cultural, reasons for this. Religious virtues of "justice" and "healing" weigh heavily in discerning the manifold implications of "the sanctity of life." Islamic theology similarly offers a distinctive approach to issues such as evolution and the moral status of the fetus, hence the lack of famously strident Muslim antiscience voices. The physicist V. V. Raman describes in these pages how Hinduism's overarching regard for beauty and the arts has helped it avoid a point-counterpoint between the different forms of knowledge that science and religion convey. Hinduism's offspring, Buddhism, is in a class of its own. Einstein liked to imagine Buddhism as the religion of the future, capable of embracing the best of scientific and spiritual approaches to life. In recent decades, Buddhist spiritual technologies of mindfulness and meditation have presented themselves with transforming effect in Western lives and Western medicine.

As we bring this debate closer to the ground, in fact, and expose it to the plain light of the everyday, the suggestion that science and religion are incompatible makes no sense at all. In the vast middle of modern Western culture, scientific and religious insights coexist and intertwine for the most part peaceably. We encounter and respond to the fruits of science in our doctors' offices; through experiences of birth, illness, and death; in the ever-evolving technology at the center of ordinary life. Opinion polls promote hyperbole and false dichotomies. Ask Americans to choose between God and Darwin and they'll opt for God. But generations of Christian Americans have also grown up learning about evolution in scientific textbooks and about a God behind creation in the biblical book of Genesis-and intuitively reconciling them, instinctively imagining that both might simultaneously be true.

As both John Polkinghorne and the Darwin biographer James Moore describe in these pages, Genesis is in fact a compelling example of how treating sacred text seriously, reading it respectfully on its own terms, is the surest, strongest antidote to our polarized religio-cultural debates. This is a text infused with purpose, but that purpose was not to narrow our pursuit of understanding the natural world. For centuries, until the medieval period and the Reformation, great Christian theologians knew this and honored it. To treat Genesis as a commentary on science is to ignore its cogency as text and teaching, just as to read a poem as prose is to miss the point. It is more complicated than that, but it is also that simple.

And just as a more three-dimensional approach to the Bible can provide new starting points for an old conversation, so can a more three-dimensional look at the history of science. Even when they struggled against bitter religious resistance to their ideas, the likes of Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, and Newton believed that their discoveries would and should widen human comprehension of the nature of God. The more we could understand about the world around us in all its intricacy, their reasoning went, the better we would understand the mind of its maker.

Charles Darwin belonged to that lineage. The Origin of Species was not the first text to break from religion, as our cultural narrative has come to assume. It was the last classic scientific text to engage theology directly. James Moore lays this out forcefully. And for the religious scientists in these pages, no intellectual compromise is needed to embrace evolution as ingenious--to understand creation as an ongoing, inborn capacity of a world endowed with independence rather than as the one-act invention of a puppet-master God. James Moore also makes the compelling suggestion that in documenting the freedom of the world to define its own fruitfulness in and through chaos and struggle, Darwin liberated humanity from belief in a God who preordained every cancerous cell and shifting tectonic plate, every social and physical injustice. Even the creationists of our time have been liberated-in part by Darwin--from belief in this kind of God.

This post is excerpted from my book Einstein's God: Conversations About Science and the Human Spirit (pp.3-7).

 
 
 
In the beginning, I sought out people with an overt passion to reconcile science and religion in their discipline and in their person. Sir John Polkinghorne is one of the most prominent of these globa...
In the beginning, I sought out people with an overt passion to reconcile science and religion in their discipline and in their person. Sir John Polkinghorne is one of the most prominent of these globa...
 
 
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02:35 PM on 08/11/2010
** "God's" proxies: terrible social or political or legal consequences for denying "God" **

Here's how some kept out of the hands of religious institutions with great secular power, by shying away from controversy, by hiding their true opinions, by double-think, and by the refined art of hypocrisy.

Galileo -- wrote in Italian (should have stuck with Latin), alleged that in Starry Messenger the Pope was depicted as "Fool", hauled before Inquisition, languished in house arrest until death.

Spinoza -- twice branded a heretic by jewish leaders, declined all teaching positions for concern over claims that he was atheist, his Ethics published only after death, espoused "heretical" doctrine of pantheism: God=Nature=Necessity.

Gassendi / Descartes -- branded as Epicureans (materialists) -- D. forced to live and publish outside France; G. appears to be an adroit practitioner of double-think.

Newton -- held Unitarian views of divinity of Christ, kept views in his notes, would have lost his Chair and status as Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge.

Paine / Jefferson -- both accused of atheism, defended themselves as deists.

Not until late in the 19th century could anyone but a confessing Anglican attend Cambridge or Oxford.Thus thwarted many became leading scientists and entrepreneurs.

Alan Turing was pilloried for being a homosexual -- does that count? England had no problem ruining Wilde and the gifted Aubrey Beardsley.

Xian secular power expressed in hatred knows no bounds -- as the US tea-party, fundies, and Dominionists demonstrate daily -- here in Ameristan.
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10:20 AM on 07/13/2010
Great minds have the capacity to get closer to the miracles of life and existence that cannot be explained. Not that all of them see that, but just considering the amazing structure of the double helix is enough to convince ME (not that I have a great mind!! HAHAHA!!!) that there must have been a divine spark somewhere along the line......
12:24 PM on 07/13/2010
Dear R U Sirius

You said: "" just considering the amazing structure of the double helix is enough to convince ME (not that I have a great mind!! HAHAHA!!!) that there must have been a divine spark somewhere along the line....."

Why don't you simply say: just considering the amazing structure of the double helix is enough to convince ME (not that I have a great mind!! HAHAHA!!!) that I am ignorant?

The fact is that Einstein, the "great mind", was modest and believed in the supernatural only "as far as our science can reveal it".

Ninety five percent of our finest biologists, those in the National Academie of Science, reject the Delusion - but not 100%.
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R U Sirius
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01:22 PM on 07/13/2010
I don't consider myself ignorant. Or arrogant, Sir.
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ChaCubed
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09:54 PM on 07/12/2010
For some reason, reconciling scientific knowledge with religious beliefs always reminds me of reconciling having an affair when one is "happily married": human beings are capable of doing/thinking whatever suits them and reconciling or justifying their choices as needed.
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chaya
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11:05 PM on 07/11/2010
Christianity will always be at war with science; that is, at war with reason and education. This is because Christians labor under two mandates that make their religion what it is: 1. They must believe every word written in both the Old and New Testaments. 2. They must attempt to convince everyone else to do the same.

Any Christian not doing this is considered, by fundamentalist Christians, to not be a real Christian. And we will always have fundamentalist Christians. So we will always have Christians who believe that those who think rationally and logically are at war with Christianity--because those who think rationally and logically threaten their own "beliefs" and threaten to turn others away from them as well. So deeply entrenched are many in these "beliefs" that they find it impossible to conceive of the fact that science isn't about belief at all--that in fact, many people spend very little of their time "believing" (suspending disbelief).

The difference you are detecting in Judaism is not solely due to the mitzvah you mentioned of saving life. It has more to do with the fact that a Jew doesn't have to "believe" (suspend disbelief) in anything . That fact makes it a whole lot easier to get along with science, as well as to participate in it. Einstein's attitude was an example of that.
05:19 PM on 07/12/2010
Dear Chaya

Thanks for denigrating dogma but you unfairly singled Christians out.

Contrary to your assertions, fundamentalists Jews are not less dogmatic than Christians. Surely Muslims are not any less dogmatic than Christians either.

And please do not abuse Einstein’s memory by claiming he is an example of how Judaism is more flexible and friendlier to science than Christianity. Einstein made it crystal clear he was able to be a successful scientist only after, at the age of twelve, he rejected the religion, the “lies” inculcated in him as a child by the “government”.

Einstein was Jewish only “by heritage”. He rejected the Jewish religion and all other religions as “an incarnation of the most childish superstitions”. He warned society against promoting a belief in the supernatural, in “a personal God” as a “fatal” concept for human progress.
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onehumanbeing
what can onehumanbeing do?
02:27 AM on 08/09/2010
No offense Chaya, but I believe the closest thing to a couple of mandates that a Christian must labor under would be (to sum up all the law and the prophets): 1. Love God with all your heart 2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Neither one of those are incompatible with science or scientific inquiry. Of course, there are the "fundamentalists", but they're the same in every religion and they hated Jesus and his teachings from the beginning, and they still do today...

Respect and best of health.
01:48 PM on 07/11/2010
It's a straightforward misrepresentation to present Einstein as someone who somehow reconciled faith and religion:

********(Einstein writing:)
I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.

- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism
**********

It IS possible to reconcile religion and science, and the recipe is quite simple: convert every supernatural claim in the religion to a metaphor.

---mission accomplished.
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noen
09:16 PM on 07/11/2010
Einstein was a Jew.

Einstein is not here saying that he was an atheist. He is only saying that from the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest he was an atheist. Einstein believed in Spinoza's pantheistic god or the god of math and physics. Which is still a religion by the way.
02:55 PM on 07/12/2010
"Einstein was a Jew". LOL - I'm aware, thank you. And you know that "Jew" is an ethnicity, yes?
Spinoza's conception does not constitute a religion under any meaningful definition of the term. There are no institutions, rituals, practices, traditions, or observances in Spinoza. What Spinoza provides is a philosophy, which is entirely distinct from "religion".
Btw, Spinoza's conception pretty much entirely fulfills the condition I named elsewhere in this thread, which is to remove all supernatural claims.
06:23 PM on 07/12/2010
"the god of math and physics."

Are you daft?

Who is this "god of math and physics" you speak of? Why was I not informed?
nancynancy
Atheist.
08:12 AM on 07/11/2010
There is no God. Period.
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Julia Bailey
10:58 AM on 07/11/2010
Seems like a pretty easy resolution. I think there is a big myth around here that states everyone is looking for meaning. Only some people are (in Myers-Briggs personality terms they are the 'F's or feelers). They constantly search for meaning in life. The rest of us, just live it.
01:11 AM on 07/11/2010
Some of the things in the Bible have also been proven true only through advances in science. Job 26:7 He hangs the earth on nothing. Written around 1500 BC, when the scientists of the day believed the earth sat on the back of a large animal. Baby boys being circumsised on the eighth day because of a Biblical tradition has been found to have scientific merit, as have Biblical statements regarding how a fetus develops (You knit me together in my mother's womb). People believed at the time that the male's sperm contained a tiny fully formed human and the womb was merely a receptacle that allowed it to grow. There was no understanding of the concept of a woman having eggs that joined with sperm to make a zygote. The Bible doesn't try to explain such things, these are things that, when they were written and for many centuries afterwards, people were probably arguing over whether they could literally be true or if there was an interpretation that would give them a better understanding of what was really meant. Just like we do today.

I think of His presence as being like some "thing" that can't be seen, heard, or felt under normal circumstances, but nevertheless is there, and one day someone finds a test to show he exists (or does not). Like oxygen, or radio waves or other "discoveries."
03:54 AM on 07/11/2010
These are vague examples that overreach to fit the Christian view of the world despite overwhelming scientific evidence that contradicts the bible. What you just did is a classic example of confirmation bias. Christianity takes its beliefs, and looks for evidence to support those beliefs. Science looks at all the evidence to reach a conclusion. Basically, Christianity starts with a conclusion. Science ends with a conclusion. That's the difference, and a major one at that.
08:47 AM on 07/11/2010
You can call it whatever you want. The point is that the Bible said it first, and then science, completely on it's own by using evidence found those things to be true. Scientists changed their theories through time as they learn of new evidence, but the Bible hasn't changed. The Bible doesn't give evidence that leads to a conclusion like a thesis published in a scientific journal, but then when it was written, that would have been worse than useless, because people could not have understood it, including so-called scientists of their time. I'm not saying the Bible can be used in the place of science. Science can help us understand some things the Bible talks about, and I see nothing wrong with it. I think many Christians often have a broader view of science because they know that science is always changing and updating, yet many who worship science think that the latest conclusion is always the last conclusion, when that is often not true. One example is the idea of spontaneous generation. It was disproven by a simple experiment, but then 400 years later, we are talking about proteins combining by accident to create life. It's spontaneous generation on a whole new plane, and is now thought to be how life began in the non-living beginnigs of the universe. Incidentally, the Bible says that God created all from nothing. My observation is that science frequently bears out what the Bible says is true. I love science.
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Julia Bailey
11:00 AM on 07/11/2010
Um, no. Many of your points are even correct. There is no scientific merit for circumstance, in fact some countries (e.g. Finland) are starting to consider it child abuse and its illegal. And the view you present of how babies were born was actually a medieval concept, and not biblical.
12:05 AM on 07/11/2010
Existence contains the discovered but the discovery process or method does not contain existence. No, discovery simply seeks to make sense of existence. Science utilizes a method of discovery rooted in calculated knowledgeable and logical approach, regimented discipline, exacting execution of well-defined processes, and thorough review and verification of results to arrive at discovery (published papers, accepted labeling or terminology, kudos from colleagues, fame, fellowships and grants, and working or implemented solution or product…maybe).

Christopher Columbus utilized the Nina, the Pinta, and Santa Maria to discover that already there and give it a name it already had……….prior to discovery by a foreign discoverer of things existent elsewhere.

Religion/a spiritual life utilizes the sense that is the soul (the spiritual heart) to interact with existence and thereby discover existence, the good, the bad, the true, and the false… the same as science and also…with the aid of science, as tool. I have ruled out much that is not the truth by a rigorous analysis and verification of results in the laboratory of my own life. No more definitive or empirical source can be found for the answer or the question that presses in any moment. Science cannot die for me. Science can extend life and that is a blessing, but in so doing never seek to say that extending life -- is life, versus simply being an echo from an original source – as yet, and still – undefined.
01:09 AM on 07/11/2010
Science is a great discovery tool within a framework of existence that science only seeks to define (versus create). Science will never be existence itself. Air was air long before we called it air. We can learn about lift, propulsion, and the properties of wind within a discipline of aeronautical (aerospace) engineering as a tool for discovering the benefits and dangers of the gift that is air vis-à-vis travel. We can utilize science to unlock the secrets held by air, which does not speak human language but that holds many ancient answers to human conditions, problems, and challenges of today. There is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with the tool of science. But let not your tool fool you into a false sense of deity. Science and spirituality are not at odds. They are one in an open field of truth. In a dense forest of distorting dogma, superstition, fear, arrogance, elitism, and ego begetting selfishness, yes, science and spirituality can become separated; they can assume the false roles of hunter (wolf or hyena) and hunted (sheep or antelope), versus Hansel and Gretel taking a leisurely stroll to see Grandma Existence. My, how we humans love to compete.
09:06 AM on 07/11/2010
Very beautifully said.
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05:59 PM on 07/10/2010
"Here, as in so many other realms of life, a wider lens of perspective can make all the difference."

To stand at either dogmatic and fundamentalist extreme in this discussion simply seems so small to me. To try to find a balance is so much more expansive and gratifying, in my humble opinion.
02:29 PM on 07/10/2010
Albert Einstein (1879-1955), German-Jewish-American physicist.
His famous remark "God does not play dice" referred to quantum mechanics and the role of chance in physics—but was widely misinterpreted—as this first quote—a response to a letter from a worried atheist, indicates:...

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

“[Religion is] an attempt to find an out where there is no door.”-- Albert Einstein
conservo
Tea Partier, Atheist, Libertarian, Objectivist
09:12 PM on 07/10/2010
You stole my thunder---but I thank you for it. The truth must be told.
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noen
09:19 PM on 07/11/2010
Einstein was no atheist. He was a Jew who believed in Spinoza's pantheistic god of all math and physics.
12:03 AM on 07/12/2010
Thank you, and when was this?
conservo
Tea Partier, Atheist, Libertarian, Objectivist
09:14 PM on 07/12/2010
Can you provide any quotes to that effect? Or is that just typical Judeo-Christian wishful thinking?
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TheWM
aka The Wrong Monkey
11:17 PM on 07/08/2010
Ms. Tippet tries very hard to keep an open mind, and actively explores how other people think about science, religion and life. I respect her for her efforts. She often doesn't notice, or at least doesn't note, contradictions and factually incorrect statements from religious people - but she does try, more than most religious people, to be fair and open.
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Sunflo
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03:08 PM on 07/09/2010
I completely agree with your statement. I'm a big fan of her Speaking of Faith show. Though I don't personally agree with some of her guests, I have always enjoyed the dialogue and this partly has to do with Krista's style.
09:48 PM on 07/08/2010
"Even the creationists of our time have been liberated-in part by Darwin--from belief in this kind of God."

apparently the author of this article is not aware that Darwin was an atheist, he didn't believe in ANY type of god
11:20 PM on 07/08/2010
Darwin started out believing in a personal god, but by the end was a theist, certain that no god was responsible for the workings of nature.
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taijiredlion
sic itur ad astra
05:39 AM on 07/10/2010
"[Daewin] considered it "absurd to doubt that a man might be an ardent theist and an evolutionist"[154][155] and, though reticent about his religious views, in 1879 he wrote that "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. – I think that generally ... an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."[82][154]"

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Religious_views
09:17 PM on 07/08/2010
"As we bring this debate closer to the ground, in fact, and expose it to the plain light of the everyday, the suggestion that science and religion are incompatible makes no sense at all. In the vast middle of modern Western culture, scientific and religious insights coexist and intertwine for the most part peaceably."

Just because science and religion COEXIST does not imply that they are COMPATIBLE.
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iLdoRight
Encouraging The Rightest Rightness
07:23 PM on 07/08/2010
Who besides Our Creator has the right to declare someone a "Saint"? Would one expect an organization with so many "sins" in their history, even hiding child molesters and sending them to others without warning be qualified to proclaim "Sainthood" on someone? How much of what some think is not true? God does not like lies according to the Scriptures I have read. John 8:44 & Rev 22:15 for a couple.