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Can Career Women Be Successful Mothers?

Posted: 03/21/10 08:00 AM ET

I started working for women's magazines at the age of 27 and, like any good 27-year-old editorial assistant, immediately began making sweeping assumptions about the women above me on the editorial food chain. One of my biggest assumptions was that a woman could not successfully manage both a magazine and a marriage. And just forget about raising well-adjusted children.

Alas. As with so many things in life, in turns out that I had no idea what I was talking about. Now, years later, I seem to have experienced a role (model) reversal: after working for women I thought--in my naiveté and lack of experience--were "bad" mothers, I've turned into exactly the sort of mother I said I would never be.

I have worked for some tough broads in my day. Women who are respected and feared; women who don't suffer fools lightly, who brook no opposition, who don't take no for an answer. Women who are at the top of their game, who eat people like you for breakfast. Women who belittle others in public, just for sport; women who yell at you or look through you; women who have mastered the wordless, humiliating dismissal. It has not always been fun working for tough broads, but I've learned more than a few useful lessons. Including, I thought, precisely how not to be a mother.

For a number of years in my 20s and early 30s I worked for a woman who is universally regarded as terrifying, both by those who have worked for her and those who haven't. One day I was in her office when she was on the phone with her teenage daughter. The daughter apparently didn't like what Mom had to say because she hung up on her. The teenage daughter, hanging up on the Most Terrifying Person in the World! It was a thrilling moment for me, on so many levels. Not to mention a significant signal that my terrifying boss was a Bad Mother; if she didn't work so hard and were not generally such a difficult person, she would have a better relationship with her daughter, who would never, ever hang up on her.

And then I had a teenager. And one day I picked up the phone to talk to him while I was in the middle of a meeting in my office, and told him something he did not want to hear. And he hung up on me. But we have a great relationship! And I am not a bad mother.

For a few years in my 30s I worked for a woman who is pretty much universally regarded as a world-class slave driver. One night I was sitting behind her in a darkened room in Texas, watching a focus group. As I looked on in amazement, some underling handed her a faxed stack of papers, which happened to be her daughter's homework. Still half-listening to the focus group participants talk about our magazine, she began methodically going through the faxed sheets, correcting her daughter's work. Oh, how sad, I thought. If she didn't work so hard and spent more time at home, she would not have to help her daughter with homework, by fax, from halfway across the country.

And then one day I was on a business trip when my son's report card came out. He faxed it to my hotel, with a note and a smiley face drawn on the bottom of the page. But, of course, I am usually at home when the report cards come out! And I am not a bad mother.

Growing older is a humbling process, and not just because every year you are a bit less vital and arguably less attractive than you were the year before. No, each new year brings with it the greater understanding that you hardly know anything about anything. Including working, motherhood, and what being a "good" mother really means. Now I am a mother of three and run a magazine that is staffed by a number of women who have children, most younger than mine. I wonder how they judge me as a mother. When I leave the office at 5:30 to have dinner with my kids, do they think I am setting a good example, or not working hard enough? When I interrupt a meeting to take a cell phone call from my son, are my coworkers amused, or annoyed? When I send one of them an email before 6 a.m., do they realize I am just getting work done when I can, or do they think I'm psychotic? I couldn't say, and they're certainly not going to tell me. As my former bosses no doubt knew, what has worked for me may never work for my colleagues. Everyone must forge her own path through the briar patch of motherhood, and you've got to find the thorns for yourself.

Last night I was at a company party with another former boss, this one a man. He was telling me that my biggest strength is also my biggest weakness, which is that I'm stubborn, I know my own mind, and I always think I have the right answer. He went on to say that people would probably describe him similarly; I disagreed. "I'm just older," he said. "I think you mean wiser," I replied. In other words, he knows what he doesn't know. Where motherhood is concerned--and, honestly, so, so many other things--I am still learning that lesson. With each passing year, with each new boss, with each new stage of my children's development, I know just a little bit less.

 
 
 
I started working for women's magazines at the age of 27 and, like any good 27-year-old editorial assistant, immediately began making sweeping assumptions about the women above me on the editorial foo...
I started working for women's magazines at the age of 27 and, like any good 27-year-old editorial assistant, immediately began making sweeping assumptions about the women above me on the editorial foo...
 
 
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amaycatbaker
02:16 PM on 03/22/2010
Thank you for writing this.,
01:58 PM on 03/22/2010
And I love Time's profile of Pelosi's new power hold, the first two full paragraphs on her are about her mothering and grandmothering skills.

Pretty much mirrors the bios I've read about Lee Iacocca and LBJ, talking all about what great dads they are.
yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
11:43 AM on 03/22/2010
uuhh...almost all(there must be a few honest ones) mothers think they are good mothers regardless of how they conduct their lives.

the proof is in the pudding. comparing public behavior of kids today with kids' behavior of yesterday reveals there are a lot more mothers(and dads) shirking their responsibility today.
02:10 PM on 03/22/2010
How amazing that you have the ability to make such a broad and sweeping statement! The world must be so simple for you that everything fits neatly in a bubble!

To the contrary, I, and many of my mothering friends, constantly worry that we are being terrible mothers on a regular basis. That piece of candy given in a long line to quiet a screaming 3 year old was lazy and bad for his teeth! We skipped making him eat veggies, I am a terrible mother! I didn't really want to work on that science project with the kids after a long day/week at work, I am horrible.

It seems the mothers who are constantly worried they are doing a terrible job are actually doing quite well. Enjoy your neat and tidy world-view!
11:19 AM on 03/22/2010
Yes.
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11:02 AM on 03/22/2010
And I
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11:00 AM on 03/22/2010
Why are we even HAVING this conversation??? Women have always worked. That whole Ward/June/Beaver thing existed for a short while, and certainly not for everyone. And jack? Really? I mean, REALLY? Try that ideal in the Bay Area. Here's wishing a uterus and morgage on you, sweetie.
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HPdevotee
11:13 AM on 03/22/2010
So fanned.
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Debby Carroll
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10:59 AM on 03/22/2010
This piece is meant to make women who work outside the home feel better about their lives so I applaud it for that. But, it also is one that could have been printed years ago. Isn't it time to stop asking this question. We know the answer now. Yes, women can have careers and be wonderful mothers. They can not have careers and be wonderful mothers. They can have careers and be lousy mothers. They can not have careers and be lousy mothers. Being a good mother is much more about the way you engage with your children, the way you make your children feel and the way you feel about yourself while doing it. Many women don't have a choice -- they must work outside the home and inside. Some women are lucky enough to have a choice. All women can be good mothers. That's also a choice. Stop asking the question. We know the answer and by asking the question in this headline, we perpetuate the belief that maybe career women can't be great mothers, too. I raised three daughters. Some years I worked and some I stayed home. Either way, I tried to be the best mother I could be. Guess it's up to my daughters to decide if I succeeded.
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10:52 AM on 03/22/2010
Only as much as career men can be successful fathers, to be sure (unless the bar is kept much lower for men).
01:36 PM on 03/22/2010
The bar for men when it comes to parenting is a *lot* lower, due to traditional social mores that still dictate the man being the breadwinner while the mother is still expected to be all things to everyone. Hopefully some of this will change as women take over the spotlight when it comes to attaining higher education and high-paying jobs.
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GayGrandpa
10:40 AM on 03/22/2010
My daughter in her thirties, has two boys and is pregnant with #3 - she handles it all with grace and power. Nobody messes with her, even I gladly bow to her, and have told the oldest grandson never to put me in a position to chose you over your mother for you will always lose, she has "love seniority!" ...which is a concept he now respects and embraces.

Quality parenthood is needed to be successful at parenting not quantity, and by the way it is time for the men to pick up their half in these relationships! A long time ago I told one of my daughter's suitors I have no respect for any man who can not handle himself in the kitchen or the laundry room, so "shape up or ship out!" Well...he got shipped out!

Today my daughter is with the man of her dreams, the father of her children and he is not only a great son, he is a great partner too...together they are such a team. Both are complete parents, both capable to handle anything...I am proud...and I am proud to say - why of course a woman can handle both! Why not? The better question is, can a man, can most men, can any man - I am afraid most of us pathetically spoiled boys would be lacking! Very lacking, indeed.
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B Kleitz
ghost hunter grammy DeadHead
12:51 PM on 03/22/2010
You are awesome, dude.
And from the sound of it, so is your family!!!

To me it sounds as if the writer of this article has a problem herself with women who are able to work and be mothers. Either she is jealous or she has a superiority complex. I can't tell which.
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KJLSanDiego
02:55 PM on 03/22/2010
I hope to have a marriage that rivals your daughters'! She sounds like a great lady!
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jackthecommentor
09:28 AM on 03/22/2010
NO!!! Can a duck be a frog? They both live most of their lives around or in water. Any woman can have a kid , as long as all the plumbing is working correctly, but not all mothers can work and at the same time care for and nurture their kids in a significant way. In this economy mothers may be feeling a bit overwhelmed with the idea that their kids are suffering because of a lack of resources, however choosing to go to work and letting the kids raise themselves is not the answer. In a perfect world we would not even be asking these kinds of questions, but we are a long way from being there. Sorry ladies but you gotta pick a side. I always admired my mother for sacrificing her self for her family and what she knew in her heart was right for her family. My Dad, on the other hand was always too busy or tired from work to even seem to care about his kids other that to ask if we had eaten that day and whether we got in trouble in school. You can become that GUY or not--its your choice, but please don't bring kids into this world just because you can and then not show them the most important thing in the world to them--which is a mothers love, without any restrictions from work.
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David Rozgonyi
Writer and traveler
12:24 PM on 03/22/2010
Excellent, and seconded. I would just make it gender neutral. A full-time nurturing stay-at-home dad is just as good as a mom, only different.
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KJLSanDiego
03:00 PM on 03/22/2010
Dads especially need to be there for their daughters, unless they want her to seek male love in other not so agreeable ways at a young age. If you can't handle being a Dad and a Worker, you better not have kids!
About sons, they will have much less respect for women if their dad is never there for their mom.
09:26 AM on 03/22/2010
Can Career Men Be Successful Fathers?
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Tamy Emma Pepin
Journalist, Montreal
08:58 AM on 03/22/2010
It baffles me that a woman writer who "started working for women's magazines at the age of 27" can't come up with a better title.

By naming your article "Can career woman be successful mothers?" you are implying that "No" is an answer.

Dislike.
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lisahickey
09:30 AM on 03/22/2010
Ditto. Would you ask "Can Career Men Be Successful Fathers?" I feel like we just reverted back to the 1950's here.
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David Rozgonyi
Writer and traveler
08:25 AM on 03/22/2010
I don't think it has anything necessarily to do with gender (except for our social programming to make it so). If I want to do two tasks, whatever they may be (let's say, writing and winemaking), to devote more time and energy to one MUST remove time and energy availability from the other. Children and careers can be considered in the same way. In my case, as a writer and traveler, I realized early on that if I were to have children, and be the kind of parent my own were to me, then I would have to significantly cut into the time and energy I could devote to my career. If my winemaking or traveling got in the way of writing, I could always curtail those activities; with a child to raise, I would be far less comfortable curtailing my devotion to her. Hence, I got fixed, and have never looked back.

With any other "normal" career, regardless of gender, if you want to devote the time and effort it takes these days to get ahead and stay there (or even remain employed in today's market), then something's gotta give; too often, it is family time. I don't see a way around the problem. Even if it seems as though it is not, having or not having children is a choice people make.

But again, this applies to males as well as females, so I would hesitate to assign gender to the question at all.
12:17 PM on 03/22/2010
Absolutely agree.

Raising children is a full-time job. Do you really want two jobs? Are you willing to let those two jobs erase all the other things you enjoy in life?

The answer to the article's central question is obviously "yes". Career women can be successful mothers. But they will almost certainly be more stressed out -- with less spare time, less disposable income, and a lot more anxiety -- than their childless counterparts.

As someone with kids, I speak from experience.

Sure, you CAN do it.

Do you really WANT to?
07:14 AM on 03/22/2010
You do understand your question is sexist, don't you? Take a little time to think about that.
07:15 AM on 03/22/2010
What I mean is that the mindset that caused you to frame your question that way is a big part of the problem.
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tiredofpc
retired: RN,Adult NP,USAR
01:53 AM on 03/22/2010
"Career Women" have been doing it for decades...being good moms. It started in WWII with Rosie the Riveter making planes, tanks, bombs, and bullets and keeping a home for the kids. Post WWII, Rosie was supposed to disappear back into the wall paper, but then the 60's hit, and woo hoo, we were liberated!! Of course it took decades to make 79cents on the $1 for men's wages, and, oh, did we qualify as "career women" if we were working 2 or 3 part time jobs with no benefits while trying to keep a roof over the family's head and raising our kids?? That may not be the NY, Chicago or LA idea of a "career woman", but there's millions of those ladies out there, working their butts off, trying to raise kids in a responsible way as a single parent, and not having the luxury of a salary or benefits that would allow us to have in home or even weekly help with cleaning, errands or child care. Ladies, if you haven't realized it by now, "career women" have been doing it for decades, not necessarily by choice, but by de facto because they're responsible people trying to maintain and raise more responsible people.