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Lanny Davis

Lanny Davis

Posted: October 25, 2010 05:28 PM

Let's Stick to the Facts on For-Profit Colleges Regulations


As I wrote on September 23 in this space, here, the Department of Education's (DOE) attempt to put more stringent regulations on for-profit colleges is an example of good intentions gone awry. Rather than expanding college opportunities and fighting fraud, the proposed new "gainful employment" ("GE") rules would instead limit college access especially for minority students, raise taxpayer costs, and create new obstacles for employers eager to hire qualified workers.

The new rules target only for-profit institutions, a relatively small section of higher education. And for reasons not explained by the DOE, it has made no effort at all to hold public and private non-profit colleges to any similar standard for student debt and repayment limitations and job placement outcomes -- particularly puzzling since these schools are subsidized by tens of billions of dollars of direct federal and state grants and are the beneficiaries of the largest share of federally-backed student loans.

Even so, there remains a problem in the debate on this important issue that is fundamental -- and that is respect for the difference between ideology and facts. To put it bluntly and to paraphrase a well-known pundit, those who criticize for-profit schools are "entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts."

In this spirit, I challenge three important "assertions of fact" by proponents of these regulations, including leaders at the DOE as well as some Democrats in the U.S. Senate, that are false or misleading, or both.

First:

  • Repayment Rates -- Asserted fact: that the regulations are needed because the "profit" in the for-profit colleges yields lower repayment rates than at non-profit and public colleges.

  • Actual fact: Repayment rates are a result of the demographic and socio-economic status of the students who take out the loans, not the tax status of the colleges they attend. See, e.g., independent study by Mark Kantrowitz, an independent financial aid professional (found here) and Professor Jonathan Guryan, Ph.D, a professor in economics at Northwestern University, whose comments to this effect regarding the proposed gainful employment regulations were submitted to the DOE (found here).

    Mr. Kantrowitz's data leads to especially troubling conclusions for those who are concerned about low-income and minority students: that the more minority students are in a college, the more they are likely to fail one or both of the two tests in the GE regulations -- debt-to earnings and repayment rates.

    No wonder so many members of the Democratic Congressional Black Caucus have written letters of concern to DOE Secretary Arne Duncan, as well as many other leaders of minority communities who have expressed the same concerns, such as Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton, regarding these regulations as currently drafted and support serious changes before final issuance.

    Isn't it troubling (at least to fellow liberal Democrats, such as myself) that a progressive Democratic administration seems indifferent or determined to go full steam ahead and ignore a disparate racial and economic effect of these regulations on a core Democratic Party base -- minorities and lower income people who comprise most of the for-profit colleges students adversely affected by these proposed regulations? And just before an election day when the president and Democratic Party leaders are seeking a large turnout from that base?



Second:
  • Cost to Taxpayers -- Asserted facts: Critics assert that regulations are needed because for-profits cost federal tax payers too much money each year. DOE uses the number26.5 billion as the latest total annual "federal aid." Senator Harkin repeatedly uses the number24 billion. Both are false and misleading.

  • Actual fact: The data proves that public colleges and private not-for-profit colleges cost taxpayers substantially more money per student at four-year colleges than for-profit colleges. (See recent analysis by noted economists Dr. Robert Shapiro and Dr. Nam Pham, available here.) A recent analysis by Charles River Associates concluded that career colleges cost the taxpayers25,000 less per graduate than community colleges or other public two-year institutions.

    With $20 billion in annual student loans to students attending for-profit colleges, the DOE's own data calculates that the projected cost of student loan defaults at these for-profit colleges -- net of recoveries after defaults - is about one percent to be written off as entirely non-collectible, or less than $200 million - not the $26.5 billion or $24 billion misleadingly cited by the DOE and Senator Harkin, respectively.

Third:

  • Inferior Job Placement - Critics assert that for-profit schools have dismal graduation and job placement rates, leaving students with large debts and bleak earnings potential, as compared to private not-for-profits and public colleges.

  • Actual fact - For-profit college graduation rates at two year institutions exceed 55 percent, significantly higher than those at community colleges. Yet no mention was made of that fact during the much-touted White House meeting focusing just on community colleges, which totally omitted any reference to for-profit colleges and the predominantly low-income and minority students they serve. For-profit schools have produced millions of success stories, helping students prepare for and find new jobs, advance their careers and earn higher pay. Graduates find jobs in a wide range of high-demand professions as nurses and health care aides, computer professionals and programmers, chefs and retail managers, solar and wind energy technicians. If Senator Harkin wanted to hold 10 hearings, he could fill the HELP Committee panels with real people telling those real success stories. Instead, not one single career college student was allowed to appear to tell a single success story at a single HELP Committee hearing on this issue.

    As I wrote in this space several weeks ago, there is a vague and uneasy aroma of elitist double standards going on here. The Harvard or Stanford students majoring in ancient history or anthropology, with difficulty finding jobs in those fields, would be unaffected by these proposed regulations. Yet a minority or low-income student training to be a health care assistant or computer technician or chef would face two new debt and repayment rate tests that could have adverse effect on the institutions under the Department's rules. Why is there such a distinction?

    Am I wrong in seeing a double standard here? Why can't Secretary Duncan fix the rule to eliminate its unintended but clearly discriminatory impacts? And why not apply any final rule to all schools -- even, if necessary, by seeking additional congressional authority to do so to ensure evenhandedness? Why not treat the low-income, full-time working parent studying at night at a for-profit college in a two-year program to be a medical assistant the same as a full-time Yale student majoring in philosophy?


By relying on problematic facts, the Department of Education has created a problematic policy. Before finalizing any new rules, it should first finalize its facts. The proposed rules need to be fixed to mitigate their effect on low income and minority students and to apply them across the board -- to for-profit colleges as well as non-profit and public colleges.

Certainly there should be no last minute rush to put into effect by November 1 even a portion of the gainful employment regulations, such as those applicable to new programs, without full review. To do so would be contrary to the spirit if not the letter of the commitment the Secretary made to take into account the more than 90,000 comments made about the gainful employment regulations. It would smack of a rush-to-regulate not becoming and not justified.
One thing we should all agree on -- it's time for Secretary Duncan to put the amber light on and be sure, no matter what, to base such far-reaching regulations on the facts, and only the facts.


Mr. Davis, a former special counsel to President Clinton in 1996-98, is a Washington D.C. principal at the firm of Lanny J. Davis & Associates and is a public spokesperson and registered paid lobbyist on behalf of the "Coalition for Educational Success," a group of 72 for-profit colleges in 37 states with more than 200,000 students. He is the author of "Scandal: How 'Gotcha' Politics Is Destroying America" (Palgrave MacMillan, 2006).

 
 
 
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02:26 PM on 12/20/2010
Lanny, I think it's also pertinent that more traditional colleges, particularly the state schools that Tom Harkin and others are posing as a better solution than for-profits, are quite inept at dealing with adult learners. The for-profits are not perfect, but they're far more skilled at providing the services, like online learning, that a very significant slice of America's student body needs. I hope you find my post on this of interest: http://collegedegreecomplete.com/dont-expect-state-universities-to-solve-americas-incomplete-degree-problems/
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02:00 PM on 12/01/2010
Nothing personal against Lanny Davis, but it's sad, just sad, to see him making such specious "arguments" on behalf of his latest clients, the companies that run these for-profit "colleges".

I remember when Lanny---who grew up in my neighborhood, and whose wonderful father was our family's dentist---was a young, brilliant, idealistic achiever, who truly was committed to making a better country and a better world.

Sadly, I can't see that person anymore.
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Michael Valentine
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10:14 PM on 11/04/2010
One question to ask of any school for which you will be signing a loan for, "Can I transfer the credits to a state university?"

If you can't don't wast your time and money.
05:44 PM on 11/01/2010
This piece is definitely correct in saying that minorities and lower income people who comprise most of the for-profit college students will be adversely affected by these proposed regulations. Career colleges serve an important role in helping many Hispanic students – of all ages- get a college education that better prepares themselves to get higher potential jobs and provide for their families. These schools might not have a perfect track record, but few schools do. They are, however, helping to open up doors for our students and future workforce and this is not the time we should be limiting their options.

Alma Morales Riojas
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MANA, A National Latina Organization
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07:28 PM on 10/29/2010
For-profit colleges help minorities and the poor in the way payday and car title loans do. Those businesses give the same kind of arguments about how they give an option to people who don't have one--yeah, an option to become indebted forever. But even they don't expect the taxpayers to guarantee those loans.

My husband died working for a for-profit college and blaming its atmosphere of deceit and greed for ending his remission. The owner of that institution, which has, sadly, grown from its Kansas beginnings, decided to fire the computer science instructor when he insisted that every student need his/her own computer in class. The prez said the college could earn a lot more money if the students doubled up with one computer for every two. All he had to do was find a "computer teacher" who'd work under that condition.

If local employers really want people prepared by for-profits, they can behave the way they do with public and private colleges. They can provide scholarships, pay for schooling in return for a promise to work after graduation or repay, and send their current employees for specialized training.

Frankly, Mr. Davis, when Good Housekeeping magazine dubs for-profit colleges the "Scam Even Smart Women Fall For," you need to find another group to lobby for. The complaints have gone mainstream. Where are the happy graduates of for-profits jumping up to rebut them?
03:56 PM on 10/29/2010
Is there a good place that I can learn about ethical admissions for college?
05:36 PM on 10/28/2010
Every for-profit school in the recent government investigation brought before congress broke existing laws and regulations. As a former employee of a for-profit, I can tell you they bend many others. Do non-profits and state schools encourage prospects to add fakes dependents on their FAFAs to maximize their govt. aid as was witnessed in the governments report? The aid dollars going to these schools could send 5 times as many to community college. One report showed a for-profit charged $13,000 for a cert. that could be earned for under $500 at a community college. Community colleges do not have a high bar for enrollment either and could equally serve the same population without all of the additional debt and credits which will be more likely to transfer to further education. Its a free country and these schools can offer what ever programs they want to sell to people, but they should not get one dime in federal student aid money for profit-taking.
02:07 AM on 10/29/2010
You are very ignorant about community colleges. They have terrible graduation rates - Actual fact - For-profit college graduation rates at two year institutions exceed 55 percent, significantly higher than those at community colleges. This is because they provide no service, horrendous instruction, and they don't give a damn whether you succeeed or not.
09:40 AM on 10/29/2010
I attended a great community college and my fellow classmates all did well and graduated with many I started the program with. The profit motive at for-profits does indeed give them an incentive to keep the students enrolled to keep the federal sid dollars flowing. In the for-profit I worked for, we would actually pull a student out of classs or wait for them after to sonfront them about their grades (or their bill) and find a way to resolve the situation so they would not lose aid eligibility. So, yes, for-profits may work harder to keep you in so you can grauduate with a vastly over-priced degree with credits that often don't transfer . I had a student enroll with me who said Kaplan changed her "D"s to "C"s so she wouldn't lose aid. And then you wonder why these degrees aren't respected.
09:42 AM on 10/29/2010
Sorry for the typos in the post above, too early in the morning
10:29 AM on 10/29/2010
Agreed. Why should our tax dollars be subsidizing profits?

I will say one thing about University's and Community colleges. They really do need to get with it and realize that not every student is an 18 year old kid what can attend class between the hours of 8-4 pm. They need to start offering more night and weekend classes. More and more students are non traditional and working adults. State University's are the worst. They outright refuse to offer classes past 3 pm. They aren't serving the community, so the for-profits are coming in and taking advantage of the underserved. The same way the payday loan and check cashing guys come in and take advantage of poor, underserved, welfare dependent community's. Its sickening.

I have have always had to go Private schools (not for profit) because I have always had to work during the day, and state school refuse to offer classes at night. I wasn't stupid though, I knew better than to go get a junk degree from the University of Phoenix or Kaplan. I went to SLU. There are some good schools who will accommodate a working adult.

Community colleges are a little better, but their night classes fill up very fast.

Its time for the DOE to take a look at why the for profits are so successful from another angle. They need to make some changes to ensure that the community colleges and state schools are actually meeting the needs of the community.
02:05 AM on 10/27/2010
This is a case of blatant discrimination, and it is worse than Lanny states. "Non-profit" schools like National University engage in relentless and shameless marketing and advertising along with open enrollment and pure online programs (along with a $50k price tag for a BA degree including books). Schools like these are identical to for-profit degree granting institutions. It is an apples to apples comparison, yet the Department of Education purposely "overlooks" the non-profits. How pathetic and disgusting that this type of discrimination would come from a body that is supposed to be enlightened and impartial. The reason why old fools like Harkin do not want to talk about community colleges and non-profits are clear -- his proposals would be dead in a day if they were applied to ALL SCHOOLS. For the love of God, did we not learn anything from slavery and our horrifically shameful past of racism and discrimination? Harkin is a disgusting politician that is trying to do what is politically popular and feel good about himself at the same time. I am all for improving student outcomes, but if you cannot come up with a plan that can be applied uniformly to all schools than you should shut the hell up!
10:20 PM on 10/26/2010
Mr. Davis addresses the issues with facts, and he makes a great point. The Department of Education’s approach seems to picture for-profit institutions as somehow unworthy of public support, perhaps because they are for-profit entities. In the process of doing so, the Department has failed to propose a rule that will effectively lower student debt rates while assuring access to higher education for working class students.

The facts, as Mr. Davis makes clear, picture for-profit institutions rather differently than recent media attention. As schools of choice for minority and working class students, for-profit colleges and universities have loan repayment rates that are expected for students from these backgrounds. For-profit institutions are less demanding on our tax dollars than traditional four-year schools when all sources of public funding, including loans, are taken into account, and their graduation rates are better than traditional community colleges’ rates.

For-profit schools are very market focused. They understand that they have to be innovative, offer convenient class locations and provide schedules that correspond to working adults’ needs. And their market orientation has led them to provide educational opportunity for students who otherwise would not attend traditional colleges and universities.

Like Mr. Davis, I encourage the Department to work toward lowering student loan rates, but at the same time, let us acknowledge that for-profit scshools are playing a critical role for students in the higher education industry.
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05:59 PM on 10/26/2010
These degree are junk. The students who get them are often misled, and told they are accredited. Sometimes technically they are, but by an accrediting body that nobody recognizes. "Nationally Accredited" they say. "Nationally Accredited" may as well mean "not accredited" or "the accrediting body is a subsidiary of our parent company"

Regional accreditation is what you need. 18 year old kids don't know this. Heck, most educated adults dont know this. These students just think, "Oh Nationally accredited, must be good because it sounds good."

Students are often shocked and to discover, after the fact, that the associates degree, or even worse bachelors degree, they worked so hard for, and went into debt for, and were proud of, is a degree that nobody will recognize, employers don't take seriously, and cannot transferred into a 4 year university or any other program at an accredited institution. If they want to further their education, they have to start all over again.

Its really really sad.
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05:14 PM on 11/25/2010
Most 18 year olds don't know this fact.
12:35 PM on 10/26/2010
Bringing ethnicity and socio-economic status into this topic seems to much like playing a smoke and mirrors game. Why does no one stop to think about the "why" behind why are so many minorities and low-income people enrolled in for-profit higher educational institutions? Oh that right, because they have easier admission standards! So therefore we need to defend the rights of institutions that perpetuate mediocrity?

Yes I understand that the for-profit institutions need to exist to serve a certain population. However that population is not everyone out there who can qualify for a loan. The focus needs to be returned to the students. Any student who has the ability to get into a competitive college should opt for that route. We need to stop deluding people into thinking that everyone needs a college degree...and hold the institutions (both for-profit AND non-profit) for the ongoing support that they offer to their alumni.
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11:00 AM on 10/26/2010
Repayment rates are NOT primarily the "result of the of the demographic and socio-economic status of the students who take out the loans." Repayment rates are affected primarily by the admission standards of the educational institution regardless of whether for profit or not.

For profit schools accept a much higher percentage of students who have financial and educational problems, and then want a pass because these students often default on their student loans. These schools take in students that many times cannot even get into a junior college, and then require them to carry a full course load because that is required to get a student loan. When the student later defaults, its the student's and government's problem, not the school.

I used to know people who taught at for profit schools. They said that more factor to admission was to see if the potential student qualified for a student loan.

If you can get into a formal, campus-grounded junior college or university, do that - even if you can only take a few courses a semester. Otherwise you can kill yourself to make A's, and yet have them mean next to nothing in the job world. Remember, many degrees from nationally known colleges are worth little in today's job market, why would anyone hire someone from an "air school."
09:42 AM on 10/26/2010
Housing bubble all over again. Go ahead, sign up for it. For profit colleges recruit students w/o concern for their ability to graduate, or succeed post graduation - once they get the student loan dollars, they have succeeded in their goal. Exactly the way mortgage brokers "succeeded" when they sold bad mortgages to people who where likely to default & with exactly the same level of jeopordy to the institution. My neighbor works in "admissions" for one - he has sales goals. No doubt stock in these institutions is being packaged into synthetic derivatives & sold to investors....This will explode in a very painful way, like every other greed motivated scheme - & will unfold in the same way. 1st, they'll blame the students who took the loans...then they'll be forced to admit those students were abused by preditory practices, then we'll learn wall street gambled wrecklessly on the success of these doomed institution (b/c, in the end they will fail when it becomes obvious that the goal of college is future succes - & they don't provide it) &, some how the tax payer - who after all funded it through student loans - will get stuck with the tab. Go Capitalism!!!
05:17 PM on 10/26/2010
I 100% agree, student loans are the new bubble and for-profit schools are the egregious subprime hucksters of the education world. They take advantage of those who don't know better and sell a vastly overpriced asset to those who can afford it the least. I worked as an "admissions rep" for about a year and it was a sales job with quotas and "bonuses". Although, that's technically illegal, so they would just raise or lower your salary significantly every few months according to your performance.There are many many for-profit schools out there, all getting almost all of their profits from the U.S. govt., backed by the U.S. taxpayer, agressively marketing to anyone who has a pulse.
01:23 AM on 10/27/2010
Gee, I wonder who's flagging you guys as abusive? You don't think that . . . nah, couldn't be.
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09:51 PM on 10/25/2010
Universities like Harvard, Yale and Princeton should be considered for profit universities especially since they are literally trading seats for donations.
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Benedictus70
12:54 PM on 10/26/2010
Any evidence for that assertion?
01:22 AM on 10/27/2010
More questions like that. Right on.
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