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Letting Children Under 13 On Facebook Could Make Them Safer

Posted: 06/04/2012 8:59 am

Two years ago -- long before there was much public discussion about Facebook admitting children under 13 -- I had the opportunity to interview Mark Zuckerberg. But, before I did, I asked a group of educators, Internet safety advocates and youth risk experts to suggest questions. Two experts suggested I ask him about whether Facebook would consider creating a safe environment for kids under 13, not because they had any vested interest in helping Facebook open a new market, but because they knew that millions of young children were already on the service and they wanted to see if there could be a way for Facebook to create a service that could safely serve younger children.

In the interview, Zuckerberg said, "It's something we've talked about a little bit, but the restriction and regulation around it make it very difficult so it's just never been one of the top-of-the-list of things we've wanted to do." (Click here for that segment or the entire interview from May 27, 2010.)

More than a year later, in July 2011, Zuckerberg told an audience at the NewSchools Venture Fund's Summit that he would like to see kids under 13 on Facebook, because "my philosophy is that for education you need to start at a really, really young age." He said it would "be a fight we take on at some point," but neither he nor anyone else at Facebook ever revealed specific plans to change the rule that requires people be at least 13 to get a Facebook account.

But in Monday's edition, the Wall Street Journal reported that "Facebook is developing technology that would allow children younger than 13 to use the social-networking site under parental supervision.

The Journal called Facebook's move "a step that could help the company tap a new pool of users for revenue but also inflame privacy concerns" and shortly after the article went live on the web, Common Sense Media CEO James Steyer, who was quoted in the story, issued a statement that Facebook "appears to be doing whatever it takes to identify new revenue streams and short-term corporate profits to impress spooked shareholders." He added that "there is absolutely no proof of any meaningful social or educational value of Facebook for children under 13," and that "there are very legitimate concerns about privacy as well as the impact on the social, emotional, and cognitive development of children." He likened Facebook to "Big Tobacco in appealing to young people -- try to hook kids early, build your brand, and you have a customer for life."

But the Journal also quoted Maryland Attorney General Douglas Gansler who said, "We would like to see Facebook create a safe space for kids" with "the extra protections needed to ensure a safe, healthy, and age appropriate environment." General Gansler echoed my own sentiments from a year ago when I argued that Facebook "should offer special privacy settings, educational tools and parental controls to assure an appropriate environment for younger children."

What the law says

Legally, it has always been possible for Facebook to allow children under 13, but to do so it would have to comply with provisions of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) that requires commercial sites to "obtain verifiable parental consent for the collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from children." But complying with COPPA is difficult and expensive. Although some child-centered sites, operated by Disney and other companies, do go through the hoops to be COPPA compliant, most social networking sites, including Facebook, simply ban anyone whose stated date of birth indicates they're under 13. But because it's based on what people enter, it's easy to lie and there is no generally accepted way to verify the information.

Parents help kids lie about their age

Not only do millions of kids lie to get on Facebook, but most are doing so with the knowledge and help of their parents. Last May, Consumer Reports found that "of the 20 million minors who actively use Facebook," 7.5 million were younger than 13 and more than five million were younger than 10. A 2010 study by McAfee that found 37 percent of 10 to 12 year olds are on Facebook and a study (PDF) released last April from the London School of Economics EU Kids Online project that found that 38 percent of 9- to 12-year-old European children used social-networking sites, with one in five using Facebook, "rising to over 4 in 10 in some countries."

Last fall, a group of researchers from Harvard, University of California, Northwestern University and Microsoft Research published a paper, Why parents help their children lie to Facebook about age: Unintended consequences of the 'Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, that pointed out that, for kids who were under 13 at the time they signed up, 68 percent of the parents "indicated that they helped their child create the account." Among 10-year-olds on Facebook 95 percent of parents were aware their kids were using the service while 78 percent helped create the account.

In an interview, the study's lead author, Dr. danah boyd, told me that parents "want their kids to have access to public life and, today, what public life means is participating even in commercial social media sites." These parents, boyd added, "are not saying get on the sites and then walk away. These are parents who have their computers in the living room, are having conversations with their kids, they often helping them create their accounts to talk to grandma."

FTC Chairman calls it a "complicated issue"

Even the head of the Federal Trade Commission acknowledges that parents should have a role in determining whether their kids should be on the service. FTC Chairman Jon Leibowitz spoke at the Wall Street Journal's All Things Digital conference in Palos Verdes, Calif., last week and, during the question and answer session, I asked him about the negative unintended consequences of COPPA, including the fact that parents are helping kids lie to get on Facebook. He acknowledged that "sometimes the parents are actually permitting their children to go on Facebook." But, calling it a "complicated issue," he added, "At least they're having a conversation with their parents and at some level the parents have to be the gate keepers of their young children's Internet access." He said that he doesn't "think the obligations of COPPA are very difficult to follow" and pointed out that COPPA is currently under review by the FTC and, in response to my follow up question, he said "yes it concerns me, absolutely" when I commented that millions of children are being encouraged or condoned to lie, often by their own parents.

Memo to Zuckerberg: Do it right

I think Facebook should allow children under 13 but, as I said last year, it has to be done carefully and thoughtfully with extra precautions. There needs to be parental involvement and control and Facebook needs to provide extra privacy protections for young children that would include more secure defaults than it has for older teens and adults. There are already additional privacy protections for users under 18, but the company needs to be even more careful for younger children. Ideally, I would like to see children under 13 have an ad-free experience and Facebook certainly must avoid collecting and storing personal information about children other than what is needed to provide them the service.

Do it for the children

Whether we like it or not, millions of children are using Facebook, and since there doesn't seem to be a universally effective way to get them off the service, the best and safest strategy would be to provide younger children with a safe, secure and private experience that allows them to interact with verified friends and family members without having to lie about their age.

(Disclosure: I'm co-director of ConnectSafely.org, a non-profit Internet safety organization that receives financial support from Facebook.)

 

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08:21 PM on 06/06/2012
I couldn’t disagree more!

Facebook’s decision to investigate technology that would make them compliant with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), and subsequently allow children under the age of 13 to join the network, has me deeply concerned as a parent. The argument that this move would make Facebook safer for children is misleading and designed to placate the rightful concerns of parents and those who care about the well-being of children online. As a parent of five digital citizens ranging from 8 to 21 years old, and as a family Internet safety expert, there are a number of questions I urge every parent to ask, and facts that I encourage parents to consider when deciding if Facebook is the social network that you want your child to be a part of, even if Facebook chooses to abide by COPPA.

The questions I encourage parents to ask are the same questions one would ask when it comes to their child’s offline activities whether it’s the school they attend, the children they spend time with or the teams they join. These questions will allow every parent to assess if Facebook is the right decision for their family.

Is Facebook…

Safe for my child?
Honest and trustworthy?
Offering an age-appropriate experience for my child?
Beneficial to my child?
Necessary if there are other kid-centric social networks out there already?

To learn the facts related to the answers to these questions, read this article: http://bit.ly/Kh6wHC
07:21 PM on 06/06/2012
Anyone who believes this pile of crap should be shot in the face and removed from society for being stupid.
06:10 PM on 06/06/2012
YES, This is what investors wanna see. Click HAPPY kids clicking all those neat flashing ads to increase company revenue from advatisers. Even thou they cant buy anything, the clicking to advatiser sites will be a big increase in profits. The kids will probley see ads saying they won something once they input their info or lotsof other tricks.
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Duke T Draz
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04:47 PM on 06/06/2012
There are already children under 13 on FB. I know of kid who mad his account at age 10. His father knows he is on there b/c he is on his friends list. He listed his age as 19 and claimed to be in college. This father is fairly strict, so how many others are on there w/o parents knowing?
all im sayin is
STOP organized crime...re-elect NO ONE!!!
02:18 PM on 06/06/2012
I'm not even gonna read this ridiculousness...not yet anyways...I have an errand to take care of. But before I go, do you know how many 13, 11, 9, 8 year olds would read this article and go BWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAHHHHAAAA...??? He**, mommy and daddy are the ones who set them up. Seriously. Just look. One profile has (not a kid) as 16...17 years old. Click on the link to mommy...SHE'S 25!!!! Gotta go on my errand.
01:12 PM on 06/06/2012
im sure there are already kids that have a FB. my nephews all have a FB page, they are ages 10-14. their parents know about the page and they have them as friends as well. i see nothing wrong with it.
12:49 PM on 06/06/2012
Bad idea...... school age kids already abuse it by bullying on line and now you want to start them earlier. They already spend too much time in front of technology. Lets face it using facebook is not rocket science. Its bad enough for the older kids to be prayed upon by preditors, now you want to expose even younger minds to this....... HELLO?????
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08:56 AM on 06/06/2012
What I'd really like to see is a Faceboook free of ads! Give it to the kids but pleeeeeeeease take it away from the busineses! I don't need to know which of my freinds "like" Wal Mart, Pepsi or Pizza Hut. If they want me to know wher ethya like shopping they can call me and tell me all about it.
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Cristina Quinones
03:22 PM on 06/06/2012
Then would you be willing to PAY for the facebook service. Im going to guess NO, so take the ads with a smile. They are there to stay.....How do you think they pay staff, servers, equipment. It doesnt come from thin air...
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Elroy Jetson
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07:22 AM on 06/06/2012
Now that FB is a publicly owned company, it's all about the stockholders and dividends. Since their only product is selling advertising, they must think about expanding their demographic coverage to include the saturday morning cartoon and sugared cereal bunch, as well. All for the dollars to feed the hungry stockholders. You've yet to imagine all the changes that will be coming soon...
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metalsmithgirl71
Just say NO to GMO's!
06:23 AM on 06/06/2012
this is beyond ridiculous. children under 13 are already all over facebook. and the parents don't even know it and the ones who do, don't care.
10:06 AM on 06/06/2012
Yes you are 100% right and they dont even monitor them they dont give 2 rats behinds what they do on the computer at any given time of the day. This is why there are so may kids that are being enticed these days to meet up with 40 some year olds wh live in other states and these people will drive to them and meet them and than kidnap them and take them back to their state and these kids are never seen or heard from again.

Parents treat the internet like its a playground they let their kid play on it and when they go missing they act like they were watching them the wholoe time and cry wolf and say it was not their fault that their child want off and meet some stranger from another state....

This is just a bad bad idea and no woder I am slowly killing my facebook account by deleting all my friends from thre because of course they wont let delete your own acount yourself you are only allowed to put it on hold but since I play those stupid Zynga games on my cellphone through facebook I still have to have facebook setup but there will be a day when I just say enough is enough and stop all of it and end both of them
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Cristina Quinones
03:23 PM on 06/06/2012
You can deativate your facebook account
05:52 PM on 06/06/2012
I am not sure where you are getting your statistics but someone they already know in the real world kidnaps the majority of children that are kidnapped. Most child abductions occur because of child custody problems after a divorce. The reason that you here about some 40 year old contacting a child on Facebook and convincing them to leave the state to never be seen again is because it is so incredibly rare.
07:38 PM on 06/05/2012
The ONLY difference this would make is when parents sign up their younger children they won't have to lie about their birth year like parents have been doing since the beginning of Facebook.
08:25 AM on 06/06/2012
Just what I came to say. So now I don't need to! All around, it's a non-issue.
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Gwenn O'Keeffe
05:18 PM on 06/05/2012
This isn't about denying kids technology at all - just the opposite. This discussion is about empowering kids to be on the right technology, at the right time in their lives and in the right way. From a child development point of view, Facebook is simply not the right venue for kids under 13. If it changes over time, perhaps allowing them on will make sense but as it exists today, it's a very mature, over 13 venue. Not only are there better digital experiences for the under 13 year old age group but the best way for this age group to grow and thrive is to have as many non digital experiences as possible. For more information on my reasoning, see my post from today: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gwenn-okeeffe/kids-under-13-on-facebook_b_1569329.html?ref=parents
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Gonzo36
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09:33 PM on 06/04/2012
I let my 10 year old on FB. My reasoning was this: I thought it was a good way for him to learn computer rules and etiquette. He started by playing those farm games. I have it under my email, and my password, so he can't friend anyone without my knowledge. We keep his 'friends' to family only. No pictures. I have found it to be a wonderful learning tool. For example he said something as a comment that could be perceived as rude, though he didn't intend for it to be rude. We had a great conversation about how one cant read 'tone' into comments. So far I think his FB has been a great learning experience, for both him and myself.
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metalsmithgirl71
Just say NO to GMO's!
06:24 AM on 06/06/2012
it's sad that you need facebook for those reasons.
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Gonzo36
Pro-awesome!
09:29 AM on 06/06/2012
If by 'sad' you mean 'awesome' then I agree with you.
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Cristina Quinones
03:26 PM on 06/06/2012
You are a walking contradiction....First parents let them run free on facebook without care and when a parent shows how they are teaching their child even while using the facebook platform you crucify them.... I think Gonzo is doing it right. How else will children learn if we do not teach them.
10:10 AM on 06/06/2012
I have to agree with metalsmithgirl71 that it is very sad thatyou have to use facebook for this experiance and not go out to a park or just go on a play date and have him experiance it in real ife situtations? Why make him live his life online? and not in person where there is interaction between peers?
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Gonzo36
Pro-awesome!
04:44 PM on 06/06/2012
You must have misunderstood my post. I use FB to help him learn COMPUTER etiquette, not social etiquette.
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06:27 PM on 06/04/2012
I would just LOVE to meet the kid who would want to start up a Facebook account, but then think "Oh, it says I have to be 13. I guess I'm out of luck."

Just like how I can easily count the number of times I went to porn sites when I was 14 and clicked "NO" when asked if I was over 18. Because the number is zero.
10:11 AM on 06/06/2012
See you are so correct on that, but there are sites out there that are made for kids undr 13 so why cant they just go to that site? where the site doesnt allow adults on it???? so you dont have your child predators
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Cristina Quinones
03:27 PM on 06/06/2012
where the site doesnt allow adults on it???? so you dont have your child predators
Just like the kids lie to get on facebook what do you think predators will do, Lie Lie Lie to get into the childrens playground....
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05:52 PM on 06/04/2012
I think that's the wrong direction. I dont think anyone should be able to use Facebook until they are 18, and should have to enter an official id # in verification of their age.
09:38 PM on 06/04/2012
I have no problem if you want 18 to be the rule for your family but I am not interested in you opinion as it applies to my family. If I want to let my children on Facebook that is my business!
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metalsmithgirl71
Just say NO to GMO's!
06:25 AM on 06/06/2012
if you want your childrens privacy terminated, then go right ahead.
10:14 AM on 06/06/2012
But you should go and make your own website than, I shouldnt have to share my experiances on facebook with a bunch of underage childerb who dont know how to behave themselves anymore than a 12 year old does. because you do have 18 year olds dating 12 year olds in this cuntry do you not beleve that?