Laurie David asked "After this, will it still be possible for the United States government to continue to do nothing to address the urgent crisis of global warming?"
We as a country are doing something, not enough but something. Keep in mind the Kyoto Treaty was highly biased and dysfunctional. The total population of China and India is about 1/3 of the earth's population but they are exempt. The smokestack industry and other carbon emitting activities in China and India are ignored by the Treaty. Is this the way to deal with climate change? Burden 2/3 of the world with reducing carbon emissions while the other 1/3 pumps more and more carbon into the atmosphere?
Laurie David wrote "The Nobel committee's recognition of these heroes is validation to every person who has been working on this issue, and it shines a harsh light on anyone who is continuing to do nothing."
Al Gore and the IPCC are not heroes. Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist.
It is accepted that the climate has changed and will continue to change. What hasn't been ascertained is how much of the change is directly attributable to human causes.
I hope Dubya will do something about climate change instead of leave this issue to the next president.
Al Gore will most likely go to Norway to attend the ceremony and receive his prize. Will he fly in commercial or private jets?
Gore's Nobel Prize Shines a Harsh Light on Those Doing Nothing on Global Warming
Congratulations to Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). After this, will it still be possible for the United States government to continue to do nothing to address the urgent crisis of global warming? The awarding of the Nobel Peace prize, one of the world's most prestigious honors, to Gore and the IPCC is going to make that ongoing denial of reality even more difficult, I think.
The Nobel committee's recognition of these heroes is validation to every person who has been working on this issue, and it shines a harsh light on anyone who is continuing to do nothing. The prize is recognition of decades of hard work, diligent research, ceaseless patience, dedication and passion by Gore and the leading international scientists who make up the IPCC. Now more than ever before, the leadership of the United States needs to catch up to its former vice president and commit our nation to action. The serious task of averting the worst impacts of global warming cannot be accomplished through voluntary measures and empty promises.
As Al Gore says, we face a planetary emergency that presents a "moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity," so we need to work together across all political divides and boundaries.
The question remains, when will President Bush recognize that?
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This is my sixth attempt at posting this reply - the first - as many - mysteriously disappeared. Apologies if they eventually shows up somewhere. It was about her ridiculous assertion in her previous post.
This is a perfect example of the Nietzsche's observation - that a great point suffers death by a poor argument. It's boring to watch this tennis match of mediocrity between a poorly written post and its equal in retort. Both floundering to find a point.
Laurie's premise appears to be - how can I end this article by saying how much I hate George Bush? Okay - we get it !! It's the 3 degrees of separation of all matter in the world. The final of course is hating George Bush. And, when this privileged blogging real estate is used so ineptly it's infuriating. And its as inane as that ridiculous exchange about Karl Rove and the brilliant clarity of his rightful employers. Rove ate David and Crow for lunch and then I read the school yard tale of how they successfully confronted him. Nonsense.
Nonsense, is the inept political ploy of using something so positive, as the Nobel Peace Award, and immediately throwing it in the mud to hammer detractors. Al Gore's accomplishment was about raising awareness to determining what exactly is the state of the World. The detractors will press on for a variety of reasons. And the cast of protagonists does (and will further) include those on the 'awareness' side that have positioned themselves either professionally or commercially to make personal fortunes in this very awareness. So why add to the fray ?? Why take this privileged position to be heard in order to reduce it to more schoolyard rhetoric in fulfillment of a mid-life crisis management?? I'm seriously doubting the potential of success of the Left if we continue to give such big voices to such diminutive minds.
You begin with congratulations for Gore and end with George Bush 'nah nahs', abusing this blog real estate to make your day - the same way the Right orthodoxy finalizes many of their theses with Bill Clinton ribald repartee.
Facts? Don't need em..
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view.bg?articleid=1037731
So one day a British judge is banning the distribution of Al Gore"s film on global warming from that nation"s schools and days later the former vice president is walking off with the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, sometimes you just can"t keep junk science down.
Yes, the same gaggle of politically correct judges who thought the ever-tedious Jimmy Carter, top ranked terrorist Yasser Arafat and the man who presided over the largest scam in United Nations history (that would be Kofi Annan and the oil-for-food debacle) were worthy of the peace prize have done it again.
Of course, in the co-winner of the prize, the U.N."s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the Nobel panel did indeed find a worthy recipient which has done credible research in the field for decades.
Gore? Well, let"s just look at what British High Court Justice Michael Burton had to say in ruling against the distribution of "An Inconvenient Truth" to 3,500 schools because it violated school laws barring "political indoctrination."
He called it "a political film" that while "broadly accurate" was truly flawed in its details.
The judge said the evidence was either inadequate to show, or was just not there, that global warming had caused: 1. Hurricane Katrina. 2. Evacuation of low-lying atolls in the Pacific. 3. Snow melting on Mt. Kilimanjaro in Africa. 4. Drowning of polar bears in the Arctic. 5. Death of coral reefs. 6. A drying of Lake Chad.
Also: 7. A chart purporting to show a lock-step connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature over 650,000 years "does not establish what Mr. Gore asserts." 8. A 20-foot rise in sea level, predicted for "the near future," would take a millennium. And 9. A prediction that the Gulf Stream would shut down was "very unlikely" though it might slow.
The film was, in short, more propaganda than science - something which seemed to not at all bother the Nobel judges.
You've picked an excellent screen name
Thank you!
From many of these comments it appears our right wingers are terribly insulted and even devastated to find that Al Gore has just been declared one of the world's truly wise men. The Nobel Prize does not come out of a grab bag nor as a gift from a politicized Supreme Court. Gore has been vetted, his speeches, writings and movie reviewed by very qualified people and yet the fact that most of the world respects and applauds Gore's selection seems intolerable to the our rigid and well propagandized right. What an insult when it appears to them as if the whole world is out of step but them. The Gore distracters are wounded. They have my most compassionate sympathy.
Hey humbug, what about the lies and distortions in the film? You forgot to mention those.
In light of your comments could you please explain then the following.
Less than 25% of Americans believe that Al Gore knows what he is talking about with respect to global warming.
No less than 9 significant factual errors or lies have been documented and Gore does not dispute this.
Claiming that the Nobel committe hasn't become a political tool when it sees fit is plain ignorant. Yassir having won is all the proof of that needed. I'll leave Carter out of it.
The scientific community including those who support the theory of man-made global warming were fairly consistent in their "unease" (at best) about how Gore played loose with the facts.
Al Gore did the exact same thing with his first book Earth In The Balance. Just try and find an earth science professional who will stand behind that work of fiction (especially considering the number of predictions made in that book that have already been proven incorrect.
And yes Laurie you can censor this dissent, but it was respectful and sincere. When we say "ok no more questions" we abandon the foundation of science.
hey Laurie, when do you plan or correcting not only the silly graph in you little book that incorrectly shows CO2 as leading temperature rise?
Be sure to correct the text that accompanies that same graph too, while you're at it.
In order words, please stop lying.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/other/childrensbookerror.html
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The actual temperature curve in the chart was switched with the actual CO2 curve. That is, the authors mislabeled the blue curve as temperature and mislabeled the red curve as CO2 concentration. The real data show that the red curve represents the temperature changes over geological time, followed (lagged) by changes in CO2 concentrations represented by the blue curve. Thus, children tracing the properly labeled curves from right to left (from past to present) can easily see the real, science-based relationship (particularly clear in the interval between 500,000 and 150,000 years ago).
The David-Gordon manipulation is critical because the central premise of the book argues that CO2 drives temperature, yet the ice core data clearly reveal temperature increases generally precede increasing CO2 by several hundred to a few thousand years. This fact may have been too inconvenient for David, who instead presented young readers with an astoundingly irresponsible falsehood. Parents and teachers of these children should be concerned.
Al Gore"s movie An Inconvenient Truth also got this wrong, saying: "The relationship is very complicated. But there is one relationship that is more powerful than all the others and it is this. When there is more CO2, the temperature gets warmer, because it traps more heat from the sun ¦"
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Putting aside the hypocrisy of Gore and the Lib Left, a reference to which will likely not get this comment posted, how can you believe and preach that CO2 production is the doom and gloom be all end all and not also call for the US to immediately match or exceed the 80 per cent level that France obtains from CO2 free and air pollution free nuclear energy. A five year build up to those levels would not only meet the Kyoto protocals but beat then by between 60 and 75 per cent. Or are your type more into controlling behaviour than solving problems.
Nuclear: the natural resource is found in safe parts of the world like the US, Canada, and Australia, it produces CO2 and air pollution free energy, and Israel has just developed a means to recycle waste.
Put aside the single squares of toilet paper and actually do something that meets your demands while also allowing the world to industrialize.
1000 congrats to Mr. Gore! To put it simple: there is nobody out there who could do the job better than he. Jimmy Carter put it right. Al: listen to him, he is still the more experienced! Even from Germany he is and will be strongly supported:
www.algore2008.de/petition_en.php
-- Simon
Hi Laurie - Wonderful entry! I have been a Gore fan so long and unlike a lot of people I didn't stay up all night to await the announcement, because when you know a sure thing what's the point? I congrat Mr. Gore on his award - it's about time he is recognized for his work not only to save our planet but the human race. If he wonders what to do now I have only one answer - enter the race! He has the support, the money, volunteers already throughout the country working on his behalf - get in the White House and start implementing the programs no one else seems to thing are important. Save the White House - Save the World! That's it in a nutshell. And there's no better time than now.
Check out this US Carbon Footprint Map, an interactive United States Carbon Footprint Map, illustrating Greenest States to Cities. This site has all sorts of stats on individual State & City energy consumptions, demographics and much more down to your local US City level...
http://www.eredux.com/states/
Gore talks of a "...moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity..." without mentioning science.
Sounds to me like a faith based movement.
Thanks, that comment added SO much to the discussion. By the way, when you use the term "science," do you mean your personal interpretation of scientific research or the interpretation of scientists who have studied global phenomena for years? And, before you say "but there is disagreement, blah, blah, blah," what % of scientists with a background in the study of the global sciences actually disagree (I mean the ones who aren't working for oil companies) that climate change is here and is the result of human activity? Don't include bushie's top scientific adviser - he believes in global climate change and he has clearly stated that it is due to human activity.
Don't bother - pinheads are pinheads, and nothing will change. Yes, Mr. Pinhead may get on the net, but he will only go to Limbaugh or O'Reilly's website.
Took a few extra stupid pills this morning, did you?
PerryWhite has been posting here for some time. I can assure you he doesn't require any chemical assistance in his writings. That being said, a strong laxative might allow him to see things more clearly.
Easy to see why you and the one above are true believers. Insults are not arguments.
I thought it interesting that Gore, now facing many scientists who doubt the science (or some of it) in his movie, has de emphasized the science in favor of some moral and spiritual mumbo-jumbo. While Gore did flunk out of divinity school, the experience may have planted a seed in his brain.
In Gore we trust?
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