Two days ago I heard a blood-curdling scream from my twelve-year-old who was swimming twenty feet away from me in a large salt water tidal pond. What could possibly have happened? Seconds before she was laughing and splashing with her friend. Now she was crying with a huge red welt on her leg. It was a nasty jellyfish sting.
Hundreds of red stinging jellyfish have just shown up around Martha's Vineyard and the Cape like never seen before. Today the swimmers stayed on shore, the waterskiers stayed home and everyone was discussing the jellyfish population explosion. Then the front page of Sunday's New York Times provided an explanation.
The jellyfish explosion is worldwide. Scientists blame a number of factors including overfishing, but most importantly a rise in seawater temperature caused by global warming. "The warmer seas and drier climate caused by global warming work to the jellyfish's advantage, since nearly all jellyfish breed better and faster in warmer waters," the Times reported. The article describes a scene a few weeks ago on a typical warm summer day in Spain, when -- in a period of hours -- over three hundred people on Barcelona's beaches were treated for stings. Talk about the climate crises hitting home.
Back at the pond my daughter's friend felt the effects of global warming herself not eight minutes later. She cried too.
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And it's all right here on this thread in black and white. You can't even keep up with me, and I'm not a scientist.
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There are no "facts" to support Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling). There is inept reporting and recording, there is hysterical innuendo and there is complete and utter BS...
Would you like me to list some of the "facts" that support Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling) ???
Polar Bears eating their own is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling)
Fact?? No... Fiction...
Snows of Killamanjaroo melting is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling)
Fact?? No... Fiction...
Robins being seen in the Canadian Northwest Terrorities is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling)
Fact?? No... Fiction...
And so on and so on and so on..
There are your "facts"....
I'll ask again, since no one has been able to answer..
If the threat of Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling) is real and it's 100 months away imminent, why isn't anyone putting any REAL money up to actually do something about the problem!?? Why is Al Gore spending $300 million of OTHER PEOPLE's money to TALK about Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling)???
Until you can logically and rationally answer that question, none of your "facts" (such as they are) mean diddley squat...
Michale.....
By the way, mountaintop glaciers are melting all over the world, despite the fact that scientists think the melting of Kilimanjaro may be caused by other factors.
No, the planet is not cooling. You keep making the same inane statements, but I'll leave you to your own fantastical world view. You seem to have a kind of monomania.
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http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=Planet+Cooling+Last+10+years&btnG=Google+Search
Michale.....
Intraspecific killing has been reported among polar bears....Between 24 January and 10 April 2004, we confirmed three instances of intraspecific predation and cannibalism in the Beaufort Sea. One of these, the first of this type ever reported for polar bears, was a parturient female killed at her maternal den.....
During 24 years of research on polar bears in the southern Beaufort Sea region of northern Alaska and 34 years in northwestern Canada, we have not seen other incidents of polar bears stalking, killing, and eating other polar bears.
We hypothesize that nutritional stresses related to the longer ice-free seasons that have occurred in the Beaufort Sea in recent years may have led to the cannibalism incidents we observed in 2004.
http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/biology/polar_bears/unusual_mortality.html
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Where do you get your estimates of $50 billion spent on studying global warming?
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It was mentioned on another site I frequent. www.chrisweigant.com
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Also, do you know we spend $12 billion a month in Iraq?
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What does that have to do with anything??
We're talking about the con that is Human Caused Global Warming(Yet The Planet Is Cooling) and how, if it is such a serious and imminent threat, why doesn't anyone put money into FIXING the problem, rather than just talking about the problem???
Michale.....
May 14, 2008
"A new NASA-led study shows human-caused climate change has made an impact on a wide range of Earth's natural systems, including permafrost thawing, plants blooming earlier across Europe, and lakes declining in productivity in Africa.
The study, to be published May 15 in the journal Nature, concludes human-caused warming is resulting in a broad range of impacts across the globe.
Observed impacts included changes to physical systems, such as glaciers shrinking, permafrost melting, and lakes and rivers warming. Biological systems also were impacted in a variety of ways, such as leaves unfolding and flowers blooming earlier in the spring, birds arriving earlier during migration periods, and plant and animal species moving toward Earth's poles and higher in elevation. In aquatic environments such as oceans, lakes, and rivers, plankton and fish are shifting from cold-adapted to warm-adapted communities.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080514/
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If Al Gore was just a rich guy who sat around smoking expensive cigars all day, it would not change what is happening to the planet. Trying to reduce the climate change issues to Al Gore and Richard Branson serves what purpose?
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It exposes their con for what it is.
It shows that supporting the likes of Gore & Branson does absolutely NOTHING for the planet and the environment but rather just serves to make Gore and Branson richer...
It also serves to show Lenin's "useful idiots" in hopes that they won't be so blinded.
As to what can REALLY be done???
Take a look here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karin-kloosterman/100-months-and-counting-u_b_117413.html
Michale.....
Also, for the record, I have NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE listened to Rush Limbaugh..
I am a confirmed Obama supporter and, with a few exceptions (4 to be exact), I am probably more liberal than you are.
So, you REALLY need to check your facts before you start your spewage...
Michale....
Michale....
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Polar bear populations are diminishing amd many mothers are losing weight to a point they may not be able to birth.
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Prove it. And provide the causal links to Human Caused Global Warming.
You can't because there are no provable links..
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Greenland's glaciers are melting.
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Yes and they have been melting for hundreds of years... Long before humankind was industrialized.
This is exactly my point. The Human Caused Global Warming fanatics take the facts and rip them to shreds and try to link them to Global Warming...
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Sometime like eight of the last ten years have been the hottest on record.
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WRONG, sonny jim...
The data used to make that determination was flawed...
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8383
* Only 4 of the top 10 warmest years occurred in the past 10 years (1998, 1999, 2006)
* Out of the top 10 warmest years half occurred before 1940
* The years 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were cooler than the year 1900
* 1996, just two years before what Al Gore called the hottest year in the history of the planet, was actually cooler than average.
* 1921 was the third warmest year in recorded history (behind 1934 and 1998).
I don't even have to bother listing CURRENT events that show record LOW temps around the world...
You have been conned....
It's THAT simple...
Michale.....
"The IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group reported that of the 19 subpopulations of polar bears, five are declining, five are stable, two are increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a decision. On May 14, 2008, the U.S. Department of the Interior reclassified the polar bear as a Threatened Species under the Endangered Species Act, citing concerns about sea ice loss. Canada and Russia list the polar bear as a "species of concern."
Climate change is the main threat to polar bears today. A diminishing ice pack directly affects polar bears, as sea ice is the platform from which they hunt seals. Although the Arctic has experienced warm periods before, the present shrinking of the Arctic's sea ice is rapid and unprecedented.
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/
Anyone who denies that there is climate change is a fool...
The problem is that the hysterical fear-mongering disciples of the Gore'acle claim it's ALL humankind's fault....
And that is patently ridiculous and totally absurd...
Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) is a POLITICAL issue, not a scientific issue...
Michale.....
Michale.....
"Acting in response to a lawsuit by environmental groups including the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), "
source: http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag/41/i22/html/111507news5.html
The entire argument that a warming climate will cause the extinction of Polar Bears is itself specious and easily impeached. Polar Bears have been around longer than thought, 130,000 years, in fact. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7132220.stm This implies the Polar Bear survived the Eemian interglacial period, which ended about 110,000 years ago. The Eemian is significant because it was warmer than today by as much as 5 degrees C for a sustained period of 15,000 years. Therefore, the present modest warming, far less than the Eemian, will NOT cause the extinction of the Polar Bear. Anyone who says otherwise is ignoring the paleozoological proof to the contrary. The Bear is not presently endangered and should not be listed on the Endangered Species List.
"The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century".
The eight warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 14 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1990.
Finally, we note that a minor data processing error found in the GISS temperature analysis in early 2007 does not affect the present analysis. The data processing flaw was failure to apply NOAA adjustments to United States Historical Climatology Network stations in 2000-2006, as the records for those years were taken from a different data base. This flaw affected only 1.6% of the Earth's surface (contiguous 48 states) and only the several years in the 21st century. The effect of this flaw was immeasurable globally and small even in its limited area. Contrary to reports in certain portions of the media, the data processing flaw did not alter the ordering of the warmest years on record. Obviously the global ranks were unaffected. In the contiguous 48 states the statistical tie among 1934, 1998 and 2005 as the warmest years was unchanged.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
7 billion people pissing in MY Atlantic Ocean is something you made up...
It was a proportional example. To be accurate, if you increase the proportions on ONE side of the equal sign, you MUST increase the proportions on the OTHER side of the equal signs or the conclusion is meaningless..
However, you illustrated my point perfectly with regards to the "science" of Human Caused Global Warming...
Those hysterical types who put out the fear mongering will look at computer models and tweak one side of the EQUAL SIGN to produce the desired result... "Oh, that Carbon Dioxide projection is just WAY too low to have any kind of impact. Let me tweak this entry.... Ahhh Yes, MUCH more impressive... THAT will scare the hell outta people!!!"
The simple fact is, humankind's presence on this earth is a mere speck o' time in the lifespan of the planet.. Estimates place the age of the planet at 4.5 BILLION years....
That's 4,500,000,000 years.....
Modern man started appearing around 200,000 years ago...
If you take 1940 as the start of the industrial revolution, you have 68 years...
So, what you are trying to tell me is that the Earth has been running FINE for 4.5 BILLION years and that, in the last 68 years, human kind has managed to screw up the earth nearly beyond ANY hope of salvation..
Is THAT what you are trying to say???
Michale.....
$300 million would buy a LOT of solar power systems for homes..
Yet Al Gore (and you, apparently) seem to think that the $300 mil is better spent on an Ad Campaign.. In essence, even though Al Gore has said the time for talking is past, Al Gore wants to spend $300 million on MORE TALKING...
Can you explain the logic of this??
No you can't..
The simple fact is, Al Gore is simply all about making Al Gore richer... Richard Branson is paying 1.5 BILLION dollars TO HIMSELF and he calls that "helping the environment".. He then turns around and builds a spaceship that puts TONS of pollutants into the atmosphere... And for what?? To send a handful of TOURISTS into space for 20 mins..
Can you explain the logic of THAT!??
No you can't..
You are being conned.... You and all the other Human Caused Global Warming (and yet the planet is cooling) types are being conned on a scale unprecedented in our lifetime...
It's really THAT simple...
Michale.....
Michale....
Jellyfish recipes :D
http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=jellyfish
Michale.....
The Chinese have figured how to cook and prepare everything and it's usually very tasty.
Oriental meals in general have always had soft spot in our hearts.. :D
Michale.....
According to estimates, 50 BILLION (yes, with a B) has been spent studying Human Caused Global Warming...
And yet, NOT ONE RED PENNY has been put into actually DOING something about it...
I told MGhanna before that I wasn't angry.. I was wrong.
I AM angry...
I am angry that Al Gore flits around all over the world in private jets and limos and talks down to me and tells me I have to conserve.. Meanwhile our gas bill (with ONE commuter) is 3 times our food bill (Family of 5) per month!
I am angry that Richard Branson wants to "donate" 1.5 Billion dollars to HIMSELF to "help" develop new alternative energies. I am angry that Al Gore encourages people to buy "carbon credits" from... You guessed it.. Al Gore...
I am angry that Al Gore wants to take $300 million dollars and spend it on an AD CAMPAIGN when .0004% of that amount would equip an average home in FL (like mine, for example) to be COMPLETELY energy independent...
So, yes.. I am angry when Al Gore spouts off his platitudes and encourages people to do one thing and ONE THING only... Make Al Gore richer...
And I am angry that there are so many of what Lenin has termed, "Useful Idiots" that actually BUY INTO that crap...
Just call me Angry Michale...
Michale.....
It was not intentional... I posted it from memory without bothering to check.
Again, my sincerest apologies.
Michale.....
Al Gore has said that the time for debate on Human Caused Global Warming is over. Ignoring the COMPLETELY hypocritical aspects of that statement, let's assume it it accurate.. The time for talk is over... I don't agree, but let's run with it..
So, the time for talk is over. So what does Al Gore do? He goes out and raises another $300 million.. And what for??
TO TALK MORE ABOUT HUMAN CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING!!??
Do you know how many homes could be equipped to run COMPLETELY on Solar Power for $300 million?? Approximately 30 THOUSAND homes!! $300 million would buy approx 15 THOUSAND hybrid cars that could be used so that people could trade in their gas guzzling polluting cars for nice efficient and very little polluting hybrids...
But noooooooo... Al Gore would rather use that money to make ad agencies and lawyers and lobbyists and (incidentally) Al Gore richer...
Look at Richard Branson.. He is spending billions to build a spaceship that is going to dump TONS of pollutants into the atmosphere. Why??
So he can send a HANDFUL of tourists into space for 10-20 minutes...
And you people FOLLOW this kind of hypocrisy... Ya'all swallow it, hook, line and sinker...
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I am mad that people treat Al Gore like the second coming and expect ME to treat Al Gore like the second coming when it is obvious to ANYONE with two brain cells to rub together that Al Gore is a hypocrite and a con man and that so called Human Caused Global Warming (yet the Earth is cooling) is the biggest con of our time..
THAT is why I am mad...
Answer me one question..
If Al Gore is so concerned about the environment, why hasn't he spent ONE red cent to actually do SOMETHING, ANYTHING that actually SERVES some purpose besides making Al Gore richer?????
President Carter has actually built homes for the needy..
How many homes has Al Gore converted to solar??? Hell, his OWN home is the epitome of extravagance and waste....
When the likes of Al Gore and Richard Branson actually ACT like there is an imminent global catastrophe, THEN I'll believe that there actually might be...
Not until....
Michale.....
Therefore, by your own claims elsewhere on HuffPost, YOU claim global warming is Al Gore's fault. Q. E. D.
Hoist them on their own petards.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
Seems like President Bush has more on the ball, environmentally speaking, than Al Gore does..
Michale.....
It seems that, in the choice of homes, Bush walks the walk while Gore just talks the talk...
Strange how that is, eh???
Facts... Such an inconvenient truth, eh??
Michale....
I have no doubt that our environment is degraded due to human activity...but I seriously doubt that in a system as complex as the planet's that the almost straightline correlation between something real but minor like CO2 concentration and something as robust as the dynamic equilibrium of the earth's climate which reflects some very seriously huge factors is a relationship that IS significant...better to pay attention to soot and heavy metal in the air and on the ice...better to observe the shifting baseline of our ecology where fish populations are dwindling fast and coastal regions being transformed into unsustainable aquaculture and habitation for humans, to support our planet throttling populations.
But what exactly would someone have to see to know that global warming is not the threat many would have to believe? The return of the polar bear to its original habitat? Oddly, that would be from the entrance of the St. Lawrence to the Straits of Gibraltar. Bring back the animals which used to thrive in numbers not seen since the early 19th century, restore the ecosystem, regardless of where the thermometer sits, and we'll have a much better planet.
The fear-mongering Human Caused Global Warming hysterics would have everyone believe that ANY Global Warming is bad.
They conveniently ignore all the actual benefits that a little warming would bring...
Michale.....
If you can't find one - then google "Permian Triassic Boundary" and "Great Dying"
Happy reading.
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I have read in many places that people shouldn't read global warming into singualr events.
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And that has been the biggest problem that the Human Caused Global Warming fanatics have had.
They take single events and scream to high heaven that this event "PROVES" that Human Caused Global Warming is real.
And then, when REAL science looks into it, the public comes to find out that it's NOT a case of Human Caused Global Warming.. We find out that it's all part of the normal and natural course of nature..
This has happened time and time again..
Polar bears eating their own is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming... REFUTED
Snows of Killamanjaroo melting is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming... REFUTED
Greenland's glaciers are melting and that is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming... REFUTED
Robins being spotted in Canda's Northwest Territories is PROOF of Human Caused Global Warming... REFUTED
And so on and so on and so on ad nasuem...
The Human Caused Global Warming theory isn't about science..
It's a POLITICAL issue. Pure and simple.
Michale.....
But keep listening to Rush Limbaugh for your global warming facts. I am sure he will not steer you wrong.
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Michale, what about 7,000,000,000 people taking a piss in the ocean at the same time?
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This is what passes for "science" amongst the hysterical Human Caused Global Warming types..
They want to change just ONE SIDE of the equal sign, and leave the OTHER side the same..
OK, you want to add 7 billion to one side of the equal sign, then we'll add an entire water planet the size of Jupiter on the OTHER side of the equal sign.
Still no discernable effect...
How can you have Global WARMING when the Earth's climate has been COOLING the last decade???
Michale.....
Also, "Eleven of the last twelve years (1995-2006) rank among the
twelve warmest years in the instrumental record of global surface
temperature (since 1850)."
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf
Anything coming out of the IPCC is not scientific data.. It's political BS...
Michale.....
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"There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant,"
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Ahhhh I see.. So when there is a very slight warming, it's the end of the world...
When there is very slight cooling it's "not anything really significant"...
Gotcha... {wink, wink}
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It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean....
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I'll let THIS utterly moronic statement stand on it's own merit.. Or, in this case, lack thereof...
Michale.....
It only makes sense that warmer waters circulate to the lower depths
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Really?? Explain that theory to me.. Because I have always been taught that heat rises and doesn't sink..
As an avid SCUBA diver I can also assure you that the deeper you go, the COLDER it gets.
But, by all means. Explain to me what universe you live in that allows heat to sink instead of rise...
As to the rest of your comment. So, you are saying that the Earth's climate is correcting itself with the La Nina phenomena, right??
Well, if the Earth has self-correcting climate, do we really want to start fracking around with things we know very little about??
Regardless of all that, the simple fact is, the Earth's Climate has been cooling for the last decade...
So, how can Global WARMING be a problem, if the Earth has been COOLING???
Michale.....