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A Conference on the Constitutional Convention

Posted: 08/10/11 12:11 PM ET

Two hundred and twenty four years ago, people of radically different views put aside those differences long enough to save this Nation. America was on the brink of collapse. Its first constitution was an unmitigated disaster. Only a radical, and some say illegal, reform could restore the promise of the nation declared a generation before when it claimed its independence from Britain.

We forget this fact about them today. To us, they all look very much alike -- white guys, some in wigs, eloquent and brave no doubt, but certainly not the picture of significant difference in either ideas or values. Yet when the men who founded this nation met in Philadelphia in the summer of 1787, there were fundamental differences among them. Slavery, for example: The men who founded this nation were critically divided on this fundamental question. Some thought it natural and appropriate. Some thought it the quintessential injustice. Yet they were able to put even this difference aside enough to craft a pact that would give birth to our constitution (and eventually, death to slavery).

On September 24 & 25, I will co-host a conference at Harvard with Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler, on whether it is time for a new constitutional convention. Our conference is obviously not that convention. We don't pretend to parallel that event two and a quarter centuries ago, and certainly not any of its characters.

But as many of us believe that our nation has come to another moment of crisis in its capacity to govern, some of us believe we must begin to talk through whether fundamental reform through a convention will be required.

Meckler and I want to have that conversation the way our Framers did -- as a respectful discussion among people who disagree fundamentally. I have enormous respect for Meckler, and the movement that he helped to birth. But I am not an ally of the Tea Party. I share the belief that our nation needs fundamental reform. I don't share a belief in the substance of the reform that the Tea Party has pushed.

Yet the differences between Meckler and me, or between the Tea Party and the Left more generally, are tiny as compared to the differences among many of our Founders. However much we disagree, our disagreement is puny as compared to the fight over slavery, or the decision about whether to found this nation as a monarchy or a republic. Meckler and I believe that if THEY could put aside their differences long enough to debate with respect the changes their constitution might need, then WE should be able to put aside our much smaller differences to focus on a way to end our own crisis of governance.

The convention that we will discuss is not, however, the same sort of convention that gave birth to the Constitution. It is instead a convention explicitly envisioned by that constitution. Article V of the Constitution gives the states the power to demand that Congress "call a Convention for proposing amendments" to the Constitution. Such amendments are only valid when ratified by 3/4ths of the states. Never in the history of the Nation has an Article V convention been called -- though we came close a century ago, when the call for a convention to make the senate elected was within one vote of the necessary two thirds. That was enough to spur Congress to reform itself, by proposing its own amendment and ending the need for a convention.

We will start this conversation with all of us not yet convinced that a convention is either necessary or wise. It is my view that is is. Meckler doesn't (yet) share that view. And over the course of the two day event, lawyers, historians, political scientists, and activists from both the Left and the Right will discuss whether and how a convention might proceed.

I am open to being convinced that a convention is unwise (though I would then despair about how we will effect the fundamental reform our government needs). But I am convinced already that much of the debate about a convention is, let's say, under-informed. We should at least be able to have a conversation that remedies this, even if we can't agree about whether a convention would be wise.

If you'd like to attend, check out http://conconcon.org. If you can help to cover the costs of this project, you can donate here.

But please save the rage that these efforts at across-the-isle exchange inevitably inspire. I can distinguish between talking to someone, and agreeing with them. We all should recognize that the very reason our Republic embraced a representative democracy was because it was clear to our Framers that there would always be people to disagree with. What we've lost is not a world in which everyone agrees. What we've lost is a practice of respectful deliberation about those disagreements. If it does nothing else, this Conference on the Constitutional Convention will demonstrate that practice.

 
 
 

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06:08 PM on 08/15/2011
The professor makes one major mistake in his statement. He assumes that a convention is based on "need" rather than, as the Constitution states, "on application of two thirds of the several state legislatures." The Constitution does not mention "need" or gives Congress the authority to propose an amendment rather than calling a convention if the states apply for a convention call. They are two separate constitutional actions. In short, if the states apply for a convention call, it can be based on 34 different reasons, or a single reason. The public record proves the states have submitted sufficient applications to cause a convention call. The over 700 applications from 49 states can be viewed at www.foavc.org.
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09:24 AM on 08/13/2011
Our governmental representatives actually represent a parallel universe of citizens, an oligarchy. The inability of our governmental representatives to actually represent the people in this country is nothing more than the result of money in politics. Take money out of politics, and our government might actually represent everyday American interests, again.
12:10 PM on 08/12/2011
Unfortunately in reading the comments, I believe this meeting is doomed. Unfortunately, you can't hold a meter over people and weed out the people who are 'too far' to the left or right. I believe 80% of Americans can get along, but the other 20% hate each others guts. Unfortunately, those 20% are the vocal, rabid voices that fill these pages. Professor Lessig, I believe you are a in the 80%, I do not know where Mr. Meckler, but I have a suspicion he might not meet my criteria. Good luck on your idea, I suspect the far right is lining up buses to fill the hall so that they can vote any reasonable idea down.
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01:32 PM on 08/12/2011
what makes you think 80% of Americans can get along?
10:51 AM on 08/12/2011
It would be nice if Lessig told us what part of the current federal governance structure he thinks is broken. Political deadlocks are not necessarily a bad thing in and of themselves. They are actually just another type of check and balance in the system, preventing precipitous change in the absence of strong majority support. When a party can't get its agenda passed, it's all too easy to claim "the system is broken."

The current filibuster rules in the U.S. Senate are inconsistent with principles of majority rule and lend themselves to abuse, but they are rules that the Senate itself has adopted to give its own members more power, they are not required by or derived from the Constitution. We don't need a constitutional convention to address that problem. We just need to vote out the incumbent parasites who perceive themselves as demigods.
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11:35 AM on 08/12/2011
Representation tends to increase majorities: if one party or platform has 55% support in the general population, and districts (in this case, states) are similar enough to have only a ten-percentage-point range of variation, it will have 100% support among legislators.

Majority rule is a bad idea anyway. There's no reason why 51% of the population should get to boss around the other 49%.

The filibuster as it currently exists is a bad idea too, though. It doesn't lead to deliberation and compromise. It leads to a choice between gridlock and quid-pro-quo deal-making between relatively few narrow interests. It should go back to something closer to what it was before the changes made in the 1970s.

Unfortunately, we can't get it changed just by voting out incumbents and putting in new senators who will then face exactly the same incentives about how to maximize their own power.
02:50 PM on 08/11/2011
How about an amendment that no state (or its citizens) may receive more assistance from the US Government than it/they pay in taxes.
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09:30 AM on 08/12/2011
that is not practical, but how about mass enfranchisment: those disenfranchised by voting for the party or individual that does not get elected should be able to petition the government via their tax dollars. those that vote yet become disenfranchised should exercize an ammendment right to have their tax dollars set aside for the sole purpose of balencing the budget.
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01:58 PM on 08/11/2011
It's significant that Professor Lessig is convinced that a convention is necessary and that Meckler is not. The Tea Party is the only group of significance that believe the Federal government should comply with the Constitution we have, that believe that the 9th and 10th amendments have meaning and that the country faces a catastrophic SPENDING crisis. The prevailing interpretation of the 4th amendment allows the Feds to do anything they want, including buying an electoral majority by income redistribution. Somehow we have to take back power from the Washington DC power clique. I don't know if a convention would work, but the THREAT of a convention might get Congress to act instead.
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02:55 PM on 08/11/2011
Congress has tried to reform election laws to remove the influence of money, although fairly lamely, but the Supreme Court will not consistently allow such laws to be really effective, so a convention is really the only possible answer. Along with election laws, it would also be important to remove the requirement of a debt limit from existing, since we are one of only two countries in the world with such a problem (i.e. having a debt limit).
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11:39 AM on 08/12/2011
The Tea Party faction of Republicans (who were Republicans long before they got re-branded as Tea Partiers, and of course, the "parties" in question were events, not organizations) like to talk as though they like the Constitution, but substantively they're trying to take us back to the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution was enacted to give us a strong central government that could (among other things) levy the taxes needed to pay our war debt.
11:44 AM on 08/11/2011
I think its a good idea. I'm not sure it will have any effect, but it can't hurt. I'd love to see a Constitutional Convention, except that it would be complete circus. The only way it would have a chance at success would be if:
1) It were held in secret.
2) No lobbyists were allowed to come within a thousand miles of it
3) No phones or Internet
4) No news reporters

Each state should pick a couple of smart people, perhaps by a vote of the people, to attend. You put up time limits. Whatever they come up with, the states then vote yeah or nay. If I had one wish for an amendment, it would be that entities are NOT people. People are people, and constitution protects people. Congress can make up any law it likes restricting entities, like corporations. That amendment alone could help bring this country back from the abyss.
02:47 PM on 08/11/2011
But you see a convention, by its very nature, cannot be limited in what it can do or propose and it cannot be held in a supermax prison by incognito people. It is a convention "of the people" and that is why it is such a dangerous undertaking. Any amendment can be put forth and, if agreed upon it can then be voted on by the legislatures of the states. If 2/3 approve, then it is amended. How often do you think this will have unintended consequences? Imagine the lobbyists and the $$$ that will surround the selection of those delegates!
11:38 AM on 08/11/2011
Constitutional convention? Sure, why not. However, let us prevent politicians [currently elected and retired], lobbyists, and think tank "intellectuals" from any involvement. Of course, we could just start living by the constitution we have instead of trying to find ways to circumvent it.
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09:23 AM on 08/12/2011
where would you say is the integrity for such an undertaking to be found? the founding fathers were after all men of resolve and integrity aside from intellect.
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11:08 AM on 08/11/2011
Our government is crippled not because of flaws in our constitution but because of flaws in the electorate and the people they elect to represent them. You ain't going to change that with a Harvard conference.
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10:55 AM on 08/11/2011
Every institution should be designed, first and foremost, so that everyone with the power to influence it at all can influence it more effectively by using the legitimate options presented by the institution than by trying to overthrow it, subvert it, work around it, or reduce it to a rubber-stamp of some other process.

By this standard, the idea of Congress as a deliberative body is a failure. It's a deal-making institution rather than a deliberative one, and the deal-making is done as much among lobbyists as among members of Congress. Then most of the decisions on actual rules get punted over to the executive branch. Congress doesn't have the institutional wherewithal to make the rules.

There are two possible solutions: set things up so that Congress will fulfill its supposed function, or take most of that function away from Congress and legitimize the other institutions that currently perform it.
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01:15 PM on 08/11/2011
For the first option, I propose the following constitutional amendment:

Section 1
The number of Representatives apportioned to each state shall not be less than one for every sixty thousand inhabitants.

Section 2
The House of Representatives may designate a number of its officers, not to exceed one hundred, to be elected by the people of the United States in such manner as Congress shall direct.

Section 3
Congress shall make no law granting the power to make any rule with the force of law, to any entity except a committee of the House of Representatives, or to the legislatures of the several States. But any such grant to the legislatures shall be made uniformly to all the States.

Section 4
Any committee of the House of Representatives, empowered to make rules with the force of law, shall be subject for the budget of its staff and the Rules of its Proceedings to law passed by both Houses. But the House alone may determine the Rules that shall apply to any such committee in its consideration of any Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the both Houses may be necessary.

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In other words, the entire rule-making bureaucracy gets shifted into the legislative branch. Instead of regulations being written by bureaucrats whose bosses' bosses are political appointees chosen by the president, the regulations would be written by bureaucrats whose bosses' bosses are elected to Congress. Congress would have enough members to provide all the necessary political personnel.
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09:20 AM on 08/12/2011
how old are you?
10:53 AM on 08/11/2011
>>"...many of us believe that our nation has come to another moment of crisis in its capacity to govern, some of us believe we must begin to talk through whether fundamental reform through a convention will be required."
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09:52 AM on 08/12/2011
radio television internet industrial revolution nuclear power dynamite penicilin medicine oil the automobile the rail road highways skyscrapers refridgerators cruise missles the moon big business corporations fertilizers the telephone audio and video recorders the stop light malls automatic weapons the aircraft the world map the computer etc...

yeah, umm, amendment convention maybe.
10:33 AM on 08/11/2011
I fail to see the nobility in forcing to diametricly opposed political/economic views to call themselves united in one country. As a progressive, I find the idea of living under republican/bagger feudalism/fascism appaling. If I were of draft age, I would refuse military induction to defend such an arrangement. I share nothing but contempt for the "me first" idology of conservites/libertarians. Therefore, I'd like to propose splitting the country. Blue states can annex to Canada, and red states can stew in their own feudalism/theoricy.
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09:52 AM on 08/11/2011
"Corporations are not individuals". Frankly, something that simple may do it.
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09:01 AM on 08/11/2011
What we are seeing right now on the federal level is Tea Party contempt for the political process and its fellow citizens plus a willingness to hold the entire country and economy hostage in the effort to advance its minority agenda. I cannot think what kind of nightmare will result if these people rewrite the Constitution.
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08:14 AM on 08/11/2011
We have a debt/deficit problem, and we have a special interest campaign financing problem. Our biggest problem, however, is the extreme political polarization of this country which has been gradually building over the last two decades. This is not going to be corrected by a Constitutional Convention.

We live in a technological wonder world where everyone can access only that information with which they agree 24/7. With every new app or device the ability to select what you want to see and hear becomes more precise. There is no more empathy or sympathy for ideological diversity. This is not going to be corrected by a Constitutional Convention either.

Right now we pretty much have a choice of "Either/Or" because the US is monolothically a two-party nation. We need a moderate, centerist third party the main function of which is to break the gridlock and grease the wheels of government.

Depending on the poll you read, between 28% and 39% of likely voters describe themselves as moderate or centerist. Both the Republican and Democratic parties poll a similar percentage. If we can't form a viable third party now, I can't imagine when we could.

Just as spending--if kept on its current trajectory--will bankrupt our nation, political polarization--if it increases at the same rate as at present--will do what the Civil War failed to and permanently divide it. Instead of a United States we will become an American Commonwealth.
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09:38 AM on 08/11/2011
The proper solution is not another timewaster third party, but a responsible dictator.
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11:44 AM on 08/12/2011
We can never have a viable national third party as long as all offices are filled via single-seat plurality elections. It takes some kind of majority (i.e. run-off) voting, or indirect elections as in a parliamentary system, or linking multiple offices in some way. My favorite option is to let voters choose which House seat to vote for, which would eliminate gerrymandering as well as enabling third-party voters to concentrate themselves in voting for a particular seat.