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What Does The Bible Actually Say About Gay Marriage?

Posted: 06/29/2011 8:24 am

Several days ago, a historic vote in the state of New York, pushed aggressively by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, legalized the practice of same-sex marriage. Such an action was certainly a momentous decision for marriage equality rights in the LGBT community. The vote was not exactly sui generis, but the fact that it occurred in a large and populous state in the country drew more media attention than, say, Vermont. The media focus is a double-edged sword for the issue of same-sex marriage: it exhibits an enlightening progress in our culture concerning the LGBT community, and it also gives voice to the cacophonous opposition, not only directed towards same-sex unions but towards same-sex orientation itself.

Such opposition quite often utilizes religion as a bruising hammer to drive home their message, and often the Bible is invoked to justify any anti-gay argument. Groups opposed to same-sex marriage cite Biblical passages to endorse their rejection of any marriage amendment while condemning same-sex practice in general on the basis that the Bible "says" it is wrong. Now that the celebration of the New York vote has receded past the front page of most papers and news sites, we have an opportunity to examine the Biblical argument against same-sex marriage (and against same-sex orientation) in context. If anything, this exercise questions whether we should develop stances based upon what the Bible "says." Simply put, the Bible is a complicated collection of documents that was never meant to "speak" to our contemporary situation, but groups often speak through the lens of the Bible and lob textual grenades on issues like same-sex marriage.

First, the institution of marriage is a secular and social institution. In different ancient cultures, marriage was more of a business arrangement, joining families together for mutual benefit. Under Roman law in the first centuries of the Common Era, there were proper opportunities for divorce and the dissolution of a marital union for both parties. However, as the Christian church grew, marriage became more ecclesiastically governed; the church dictated the rules of marriage (as well as the rules of dissolution, as many remember Henry VIII's desire for a papal annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon). The Christian governance of marriage fractured during the Protestant Reformation. Figures like Martin Luther and John Calvin recognized marriage as a civil matter, a worldly affair, and not under the aegis of the church. Still there are many Catholics and non-Catholics alike who recognize marriage as a Christian affair, and further, believe it is divinely endorsed as a heterosexual institution. In my local paper in Kentucky, a letter was sent in to the editor lambasting the New York vote, claiming that marriage was created by God since the story of Adam and Eve is the proof-text. Advocates of this position should note, that Adam and Eve would still need to purchase a civil marriage license if they sought to get married today.

Second, the Bible does not clearly endorse one form of marriage over another. Adam and Eve as the divine groom and bride is one Biblical arrow in the quiver of same-sex union opponents. The Yahwist creation story in Genesis (the second creation story) has God forming Eve out of Adam's rib, and Adam exclaiming their unity ("this is at last bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh"). This is a gender creation story, not a creation of marriage story. Adam and Eve do not exchange rings, say "I do" and have a jazz band reception in Paradise.

Third, the Biblical arguments against same-sex marriage are not proffered from texts that deal with marriage, but from texts that purportedly deal with same-sex orientation. Same-sex marriage is rejected as un-Christian and immoral on the basis of a myopic reading of a very few Biblical texts. And the texts in question are scant indeed. The most referenced texts are Genesis 19; the holiness codes of Leviticus 17-26, and in the New Testament, Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians 6:9 and his Letter to the Romans 1:26-27. Not only does one have to "hunt" for references to same-sex practices, but there are no gospel texts that treat the matter. There is nothing attributed to Jesus of Nazareth that has anything to do with same-sex orientation. According to the gospels, Jesus never commented on same-sex practices; that fact certainly bears repeating to anyone criticizing the gay community on Christian grounds. Largely, same-sex practice is a topic of little interest to the Biblical authors.

The Biblical texts that are most often cited in the same-sex debate deserve some explanation in order to reduce their citation for hurtful purposes. For example, the text of Genesis 19 centers upon the story of Lot's visitation in the city of Sodom by two angels. The men of Sodom tell Lot to hand over the male visitors so that they may "know" them, i.e. sexually know them (giving rise to the term "sodomy"). Lot bargains with the visitors, quite horribly to a contemporary reader's eyes, by offering the men his virgin daughters instead. However, any reader of ancient literature (of which the Hebrew Bible is a component) would realize the familiar motif concerning hospitality. For example, the Greek gods Zeus and Hermes would frequently disguise themselves as humans in order to ferret who among their supplicants were truly hospitable. The story is not one denigrating same-sex practice; instead it upholds the incredible (and ludicrous) hospitality of Lot as a virtue.

Similarly, the holiness codes of Leviticus thread down from an all-encompassing mandate to behave distinctly from their foreign (and depraved) neighbors. Leviticus 20:13 that proscribes the death penalty for same-sex relations is quite related to codes that condemn bestiality, invoke dietary restrictions, and order the wearing of certain fibers. The codes make the Israelites unique from their neighbors, and they reflect a particular time and place in Israelite history. Any contemporary critique must note this reality before invoking the codes as ammunition against same-sex practice.

Fourth, any reference to same-sex practice by a Biblical writer or a Greco-Roman writer has no knowledge or understanding of the concept of "same-sex orientation." There is no Hebrew or Greek cognate word in the Biblical text to reflect the modern term "same-sex orientation" or "homosexuality." Moreover, there were no discussions or arguments concerning sexual orientation in the ancient and late ancient world, conversations that would only arrive in the modern era of psychology. Instead, ancient writers believed any wanton sexual behavior of any variety is a mismanagement of one's appetites. The apostle Paul, in the New Testament, follows this pattern.

The Pauline letters that are raised in the same-sex debate are part of Paul's understanding of sexual immorality in the first century CE. In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul includes in a laundry list of vices "male prostitutes" and "sodomites" (as malakoi and arsenokoitai are translated by the NRSV; 1 Cor 6:9). These terms are injected along with many other vices: "fornicators, idolaters, adulterers," and Paul is addressing the issue of a church member sleeping with his stepmother. In other words, Paul is addressing ALL deviant sexual and immoral behavior, not just that of a same-sex variety. In his address to the Romans, Paul describes the root sin of the Gentiles as idolatry, and the consequences of idolatry are vices beginning with women and men "exchanging" natural intercourse for unnatural. While Paul is describing this behavior as the result of wayward passions, the chief sin is idolatry and separation from the one true God. While the Romans text offers the longest discussion of same-sex behavior in the New Testament, it is unclear whether it truly is a condemnation of a specific practice.

The above discussions will likely never satisfy any opponent of gay rights or of same-sex marriage to any degree. When teaching Biblical material to undergraduates I am always anxious when approaching the issue of same-sex orientation and the Bible, especially teaching in the Bible Belt. But many of them question the validity of basing every aspect of their lives entirely on what the Bible "says." They realize that the Biblical material is very diverse, and also very condemnatory. For example, Jesus reflects on the Adam and Eve passage cited above to insist to his listeners that those that divorce and re-marry commit adultery (Mark 10:1-12; Matt 19:4; also Luke 16:18). The Bible "says" a lot of things but perhaps we should treat the Bible less like an authoritative contract with God and understand it more as a human-authored, divinely-inspired, document that arouses a life of faith.

So does the Bible have anything to "say" about gay marriage? The Bible is not specific, literate, or even concerned with what we call same-sex orientation or gay marriage. But the state of New York recently had quite a lot to say about gay marriage. Those that would insert the Bible into this debate would do well to reflect upon the text itself. If only we quit focusing on what the Bible didactically "says" and converse with the text in its broader cultural context. Then one can realize the multivalent value of such a book that a narrow reading cannot service.

For further reading:

There are voluminous secondary sources to consider, but one of the concise and best treatments (although dated) can be found in Victor Paul Furnish's The Moral Teachings of Paul: Selected Issues (Nashville, TN: Abingdon, 1979)

 
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03:38 AM on 08/26/2011
I will address each statement (1) God didn't make marriage a business MAN did (2) If God wanted two men together who would have never created WOMAN (3) What book have you been reading ? Two WOMEN cannot multiply the earth nor can two MEN (4) The prophets,I'm sure know more than you ever know.Hell is full of people who go against God will.Enjoy this well this world ,a time is coming when Jesus will judge all. Will he say to you well done my good and faithful Servant?
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10:19 AM on 08/25/2011
I want to go back to the biblical definition of marriage, that being a man can marry as many women as he can afford to support. Jacob, the father of Israel had 4 wives. Solomon had 1000 wives and concubines. And what exactly is a concubine? Isn't that someone you can have sex with that your wife can't complain about but you're not married to her? I want that. And for those of you who say, "that's old testament" well, what about the requirements for an elder or minister that's set forth in 1 Timothy? It calls for a minister to be the "husband of one wife". If it weren't common for Christians of the time to have more than one wife, why this requirement? And no, it didn't mean he had to be married, it would have simply said he had to be married, but if he was he could only have one wife.
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
12:54 PM on 08/22/2011
When it comes to *civil* marriage, what the bible says is utterly irrelevant.
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
12:16 PM on 08/25/2011
This is the trump card, but "heaven" help you trying to get this fact across to these religious dullards on here. Their fixed brains "do not compute".
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
12:24 PM on 08/25/2011
Yes, when idiots give positive reinforcement to other idiots, it's an insufferable situation.
03:50 AM on 08/26/2011
Bible is the Truth, anything else you fooling youself not God,Satan love you and can't wait until you join him in the LAKE OF FIRE
11:11 AM on 07/20/2011
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Luke 16:18
These are the words of Jesus Christ. He didn't say anyone who divorces. He specifies that a man is divorcing a woman. The bible doesn't talk about a spouse divorcing. He is specific about a man being married to a woman. Also Sodom and Gomorrah were both destroyed by God because of fornication and homosexuality. This is in the book of Genesis. If you don't know what the Word of God says please don't be judgemental about Christian beliefs. And if you do know what it says but don't agree that is your choice. May God have mercy on your soul.
08:30 PM on 08/17/2011
Please don't ask me where that quote is in the Bible...because if you don't know what the Word of God says, maybe you shouldn't quote it at people. Just a thought. ;-)
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
12:19 PM on 08/25/2011
Here is a novel idea....Civil Marriage is not governed by ANY quotes in the bible. The bible is irrelevant to the rights granted to ALL Americans under our Constitution. Oh and please don't come back and say "it isn't there". It is implied christian. We all get to engage in the pursuit of happiness, not just heteros.
07:07 PM on 07/12/2011
what the bible says about ANYTHING is irrelevant as a matter of public policy. The United States of America is a secular democracy, with a specific emphasis on a lack of religious preference when legislation is drafted. I am so sick of conservatives trying to hijack MY constitution with THEIR bible and attempting to force us down a path of theocracy. Note to conservatives: if you want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran, thank you.
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
12:20 PM on 08/25/2011
Good luck teaching them that. They don't want to hear it. That is the problem.
05:37 PM on 07/09/2011
M,m,m, man, you all got some whacked out Biblical interpretationists here on this blog. I mean, God said this and god said that. I saw "The Ten Commandments" and when God wanted to say something, he usually fired up a bush or something. I don't remember Paul claiming that he was quoting God in those letters he wrote. So I guess I'd admit that Paul thought homosetuallity was wrong, but God? An anyway, God an Jesus were pretty straight forward when they wanted you to know something. Seems they would have just come right out and said it.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
10:44 AM on 07/09/2011
We should also go back to having unruly children eaten by bears (2 Kings, second chapter)
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12:07 PM on 07/09/2011
That would be almost all kids as parents dont have the time or energy to help and teach them. After all they have to work all day just to make ends meet.
07:22 PM on 07/08/2011
To be honest, who gives a damn? Religion is a personal matter, and one can believe in whatever religion they like. It has absolutely nothing to do with politics, unless of course one wants a religious state where the Church [of whatever religion] runs the country.

On the matter of marriage - each religion is entitled to its own interpretation on this matter, and whether they allow man/woman marriages or go further with man/man or woman/woman marriages. The government should not dictate who can marry and who can not. After all, the government is supposed to represent ALL its citizens, not just the religious ones.

And one final point. Lets not forget that the Bible [in this situation] was written in various time periods from 1600 years ago and more. Each section was written by a person [not God], and if you read the entire book, it is full of contradictions. We can not take a document written so long ago and claim that we can take its content and say it applies today. Otherwise, lets ban shellfish, multi-fibre clothing etc as well, as all these are "sin".
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CharlesW299
I could take offence, but that would make no sense
02:30 PM on 07/06/2011
Why do we need anyone (Govt or Religion) to sanction a personal relationship?
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02:54 PM on 07/06/2011
I’m not a legal expert, but under the assumption that marriage allows for the following: joint parenting/adoption/foster care; status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent; joint insurance policies for home, auto and health; inheritance automatically in the absence of a will; joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment; inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate); benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare; spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home; joint filing of tax returns; joint filing of customs claims when traveling; decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her; etc.
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LeftRight
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04:47 PM on 07/06/2011
For the same reason that we need the government to sanction ANY contract in order for it to be legally enforceable.
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TYRANNASAURUS
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10:28 AM on 07/06/2011
What Does The Bible Actually Say About Gay Marriage?

WHO CARES? The information would be 1700 years out of date...... that's like looking at a map that's 1700 years old because you want to know where America is.
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StevenM
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12:32 PM on 07/06/2011
Yea, anything that old would be an antique and as worthless as dinosaur bones.
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detroitblkmale30
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03:15 PM on 07/06/2011
Yeah because the thoughts of Socrates and Plato and Aristotle and the principles of Roman Empire have no value or worth today. smh.
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ez duz it
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11:19 PM on 07/06/2011
Hi, detroitblkmale30--

Wow! You see the value of Socrates thoughts by Aristotle's teacher...Plato! Cool...

I love the passage in the Symposium where it extolls the virtues of Gay soldiers:

“And if there were only some way of contriving that a state or an army should be made up of lovers and their loves, they would be the very best governors of their own city, abstaining from all dishonour, and emulating one another in honour; and when fighting at each other's side, although a mere handful, they would overcome the world.

For what lover would not choose rather to be seen by all mankind than by his beloved, either when abandoning his post or throwing away his arms?

He would be ready to die a thousand deaths rather than endure this. Or who would desert his beloved or fail him in the hour of danger?

The veriest coward would become an inspired hero, equal to the bravest, at such a time; Love would inspire him.

That courage which, as Homer says, the god breathes into the souls of some heroes, Love of his own nature infuses into the lover.”

--ez
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
02:16 PM on 07/07/2011
Looking to the Bible for accurate information on the physiology and psychology of human sexual orientation is utterly absurd. The Bible was written by men from a primitive time, representing a primitive culture; the authors were ignorant regarding such issues.
04:33 AM on 07/06/2011
-LGBT- groups have now bullied their way to success and have destroyed the -Bible- and -God- etc., what is next for our -Gay Civilization-???
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StevenM
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07:15 AM on 07/06/2011
Gay people have won a small measure of freedom not by being bullies as you suggest, but rather through the opposite, by willing to stand up and come out of the closet. Once most straight people got to know gay people on a personal basis, it became obvious that they were not much different from the rest of us, and they definitely were not the threat to society which conservative Christians often claimed. They won the hearts and minds of straight people through their willingness to expose their humanity, and not by threats. The threats and intimidation came consistently from conservative Christians with their inflammatory rhetoric and gay bashing. But that too often backfired when many of the more vocal conservative anti-gay Christians turned out to be gay themselves. Oops! And what do you mean by "Gay Civilization," do you want to contrast it with a previous de facto "Christian Civilization" in the US? A "Christian Civilization" which before the Civil War accepted slavery as biblical and moral? A "Christian Civilization" which fought against giving women the freedom to vote, the freedom to work, and the freedom over their own reproductive bodies? A "Christian Civilization" which fought against civil rights? Conservative Christians have been losing the culture war for over a 100 years. When are they going to learn that inflammatory rhetoric with bashing civil rights is never going to win over the hearts and minds of the American people?
12:16 PM on 07/06/2011
Based on the distressing videos and photos (sic) I'd say they exposed more than their "humanity".
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11:40 PM on 07/21/2011
The loudest of the gay population are bullies. They are obnoxious and they foam at the mouth. They are the small minority of the group, just like those that hates gays are the minority of their group. This topic is just like politics, we are a nation of centrists. It is the loud and obnoxious of the left and right that get the soundbites.

I can say the same for some of the posters on HuffPo. I have had absolutely adult conversations with most of the people I disagree with on here, but the ones that freak out and get hateful are the minority of the posters here.
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Misterioso Adversario
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12:29 PM on 07/06/2011
How exactly do you think we are going to become a "gay civilization"? Are you suggesting that were gay marriage to become legal across the country, that everyone else would instantly become gay and marry someone of the same gender?

Reading your constant hyphenated posted are hilarious, because your ideas and statements aren't grounded in reality, and the only person that doesn't seem to realize it is you.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:32 PM on 07/06/2011
Wait! You mean I'm going to have to divorce my wife and start sleeping with my neighbor because my daughter just got married?!?!?!? That sux, I don't really like my neighbor....

/end snark
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mercury613
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07:22 PM on 07/06/2011
Thank you. I also find it interesting how people like JOHNSPEAKS always minimize the size of the LGBT population when it's convenient ("you're less than 2% of the population!"), then warn of the dire consequences of *everybody* being gay in the next breath.
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John Crane
10:05 PM on 07/05/2011
Oh no! Here we go again. When I was a teenager, I got sick of people telling me what the Bible said, and determined to read the book and see what it said for myself. Since then, I have read the good book many times, and in it I have found the freedom to cut loose from those who would stand between me and God.
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DCMetroGuy
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12:35 AM on 07/06/2011
You see that is the mistake you made. You actually read it. To truly do a good job thumping the Bible, you need to memorize the 8 to 10 verses that your Preacher tells you and scream them at everone else.... and you get bonus points if you misquote them and make them even harsher.

Didn't you get the message, it is against God's will to read God's will .... you have to get it from your preacher man.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:33 PM on 07/06/2011
"Teh preecher mans tolded us dat dem gays wuz ruinin' teh hole woild!!"

That's pretty much what their argument boils down to, isn't it?
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WheelsOnFire
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01:25 AM on 07/06/2011
Here's something you need to know.

Your bible said that the sun revolves around the earth.

It's all in the transcripts of the heliocentrism trial of Galileo, who said otherwise.

The Christians convicted him of heresy, of course.

But who was right after all?

Think about that egregious error the next time you read the bible. It isn't the only mistake, either.
05:09 AM on 07/06/2011
Gallileo was put under house arrest because 1.) he insulted the Pope (a no-no, in pre-Reformation Europe) 2.) he could not prove his theory was correct, and 3.) Gallileo was jailed for interpreting scripture (claiming the bible actually taught a heliocentric universe) not because it was science vs. religion. Many other Catholics held to the heliocentric model, and low and behold! they remained free people. The issue is not, and never was, science vs. religion, but religious views vs. other religious views.
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sweeterthan
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05:02 PM on 07/07/2011
Where in the Bible does it say that? Chapter and verse reference please. Roman Catholics also said things that G-d supposedly told them privately, that contradicted scripture; so, please don't conflate "the Catholic Church said" with "the Bible says."
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Difster
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06:59 PM on 07/05/2011
First of all, the Bible talks of marriage form a purely religious point of view. There is NOTHING in the Bible that talks about the political aspects. There was no thought to governments being so deeply involved in marriage.

That being said, there are only two kinds of marriages mentioned in the bible.
1. Marriage between one man and one woman.
2. Marriage between one man and two or more women.

Nothing else was permitted.

Marriage should still be nothing more than a personal matter. The government doesn't need to be involved at all and it would better if they weren't. Only in very modern times was government involved in recognizing any legal status to marriage.

That being said, toward the end of the Roman empire, homosexual and incestuous (yes both) relationships were recognized and widely accepted by society at large. But there was no legal standing either for or against it.

Let's end this whole mess by lobbying government to get out of the marriage business altogether and letting everything be handled by private contract.
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LintLass
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08:04 PM on 07/05/2011
Anti-gay people have already acted to ban LGBT couples from having 'marriage-like' private contracts, or have the Federal government recognize them.

Besides, what you're saying is like banning public water fountains and bathrooms and lunch counters, in order to end segregation.
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Difster
Government prefers its slaves to be unarmed.
08:20 PM on 07/05/2011
Which I think is wrong. Private parties can make whatever contracts they want.

Contracts are contracts, no one can ban the use of them. It's just not possible.
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dgaisior08
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01:20 AM on 07/06/2011
Nero married a boy eunuch in a public ceremony. It was accepted.
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Difster
Government prefers its slaves to be unarmed.
01:41 AM on 07/06/2011
Wow, people accepted something a vicious dictator did and didn't question it? Stunning!

And accepted by who exactly? Do you have press reports? Man on the street interviews? Who were these accepting people and what record do you have of said acceptance.
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Grada3784
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09:41 PM on 07/07/2011
Not only was it accepted, people thought that Nero's father should have had such a wife too.

Wife's name was Sporus.
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04:13 PM on 07/05/2011
The Bible itself is ambiguous at best on the issue of gay marriage (or not at all, if you subscribe to the author's idea that there wasn't a concept of same-sex orientation, therefore there isn't a word for it). But the whole point of basing your "right" to deny homosexuals the same right to marry and enjoy the benefits that go along with legal marriage is really a moot one.

America wasn't founded on Christianity. As a nation we don't have an "approved", "acknowledged" National Religion. Therefore religion has no place trying to legislate the lives of others or trying to dictate policy to the government. Being a Christian doesn't confer any special rights or abilities to you. It has no more political clout (or at least it SHOULDN'T have) than Islam, Mormonism or Judaism.

The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 states:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—­­­­"

The Senate's ratificati­­­on was only the third recorded unanimous vote of 339 votes taken. The treaty was printed in the Philadelph­­­ia Gazette and two New York papers, with no evidence of any public dissent.”
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04:50 PM on 07/05/2011
While the US might not have been legally a Christian nation, it was de facto a Christian nation for close to hundred and fifty years or so (especially in the bible belt), which is what has created the culture wars between Christian conservatives versus progressives in US politics even today. It was only in the early 60s that prayers would be prohibited in public schools. Even today the bible is still used in swearing in ceremonies. In 2007 Keith Ellison made history by becoming the first Muslim member of the United States Congress. He gave the ceremonial oath with a Koran once owned by Thomas Jefferson. Just ask one question, how many presidents of the US have proclaimed that they weren't Christian?
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DCMetroGuy
“Think and wonder, wonder and think.”
05:21 PM on 07/05/2011
At the same time, Our courts do not have people sworn in using a Bible, or any religous text. You raise your right hand and swear.

And Presidents that said they aren't Christian, off the Top of my head I know of 2, George Washington, and James Madison. They were both Deists. I do not know for sure about any others.

And before I get slammed on GW, I live near the Church he attended, it is a still standing historical site here in VA. It was Deist, and he is on the Rolls as one of the Founders of that Church, and as one of it's first Deacons. And He and Martha donated most of the Pews, they are inscribed.
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11:31 AM on 07/05/2011
It's encouraging to see more and more Christians rejecting the antigay version of their faith. Like the author, many are finding that the bible simply is not clear on longterm loving nonexploit­ative same-sex relationsh­ips. Many biblical scholars who study the texts in the original language with a deep understand­ing of the cultural context in which they were written strongly dispute their applicabil­ity to same sex relationsh­ips in the modern context. As psychology, sociology, biology, and anthropology are showing, there is nothing wrong with homosexual­­ity or homosexual sex per se that would reasonably qualify it as a sin. That is the crux of the matter. And that is why the antigay interpreta­­tion of Christiani­­ty will not ultimately stand the test of time and reality. The fact that 74% of American Catholics approve of legalizing same sex unions (43% for same sex marriage and 31% for civil unions) shows just how fast the antigay version is losing ground in the industrialized Western countries. Those who use the bible as to justify their antigay biases and antigay agenda will be gradually marginalized.
11:46 AM on 07/05/2011
There is no "antigay" version. There is only one version of Gods word. Christians either follow the teachings of Gods word or they don't. I leave that self-examination up to the individual Christian.
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03:38 PM on 07/05/2011
Oh? So I'm assuming you made your post from a borrowed computer, since, if you were following your own Jesus' word, you would have already sold everything you have and given the money to the poor.
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DCMetroGuy
“Think and wonder, wonder and think.”
03:46 PM on 07/05/2011
You do realize that the Bible is translated into over 100 languages. And that alot of the non-english translations do not say the same thing as the English Version. And I am not refering to just the gay issue, there are numerous other differences.

And the translational differences can have harsh consequences ..ie.. the Inquisition.
it was based on the premise that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" so 50,000 people died. it turns out that it actually said "thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live". When it was written, poisoners would dump poison into the village well, they were the equivalent of a modern day spree killer or mass murderer.
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StevenM
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11:47 AM on 07/05/2011
There are two issues. (1) Does the Bible condemn homosexuality? (2) Should Christians today condemn homosexuality? The vast majority of conservative Christians answer 'yes' to both questions. Some liberal Christians answer 'no' to both questions. In my opinion, the proper progressive Christian response is 'yes' to the first question and 'no' to the second question. In my opinion, while it is true that the Bible does condemn homosexuality (especially male homosexuality), we no longer think of it as a real sin any more than (for example) eating non-kosher.
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BornOKtheFirstTime
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12:32 PM on 07/05/2011
Why do you no longer think of it as a real sin? Is it because you regard the apparent prohibitions as limited by the cultural context of the era in which they were written?

As a nontheist, I am finding this evolution that Christianity is undergoing on the gay issue to be an interesting sociological and psychological phenomenon. As homosexuality is being shown to be merely a normal variant on the continuum of human sexuality, with strong biological underpinnings and not in anyway pathological or harmful per se, how will those apparent condemnations be ultimately squared with reality?
01:41 PM on 07/05/2011
I'm a lib, and there alot of libs that are against homosexuality.

God's view is clear about homosexuality. The only debate is with people who either don't believe in God, or have a pro-gay agenda and will believe only what they want to support their agenda.