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A Perry or Bachmann Nomination May Not Be Good for Democrats

Posted: 08/30/11 02:48 PM ET

Rick Perry has shaken up the Republican presidential primary because he seems to be taking the mantle of Tea Party favorite and far right darling away from Michele Bachmann. Before Perry joined the race, Bachmann seemed to be the most likely to be the last Tea Party candidate standing against Mitt Romney. Now Perry is more likely to be in that position. On the issues, Perry is not more moderate than Bachmann. Both are fundamentalist extremists with radical anti-government views who have evinced little understanding of a modern state or economy and demonstrated little interest in or knowledge of foreign affairs other than their belief in a strong America. Perry seems to have eclipsed Bachmann's popularity because he is less prone to gaffes than Bachmann, is slightly better at keeping his mouth shut sometimes and is enjoying something of a bump in the polls because he is the new candidate about whom voters may not yet know very much.

Perry and Bachmann have a great deal in common and, accordingly, can both be easily portrayed as dangerous, and probably slightly nutty, extremists in a general election. For this reason, many Democrats are hopeful that one of these two will be the eventual Republican nominee, rather than Romney who is more moderate and would probably be a stronger candidate against President Obama in the general election.

Democrats should be wary of this kind of thinking for several reasons. First, given that the country is still very polarized with so much energy on the extreme right, a candidate like Bachmann or Perry could mobilize voters and lay the groundwork for future, more polished, radical extremists. Second, and more significantly, the 2012 election is likely to occur with unemployment hovering around 9%, the country still engaged in three unpopular and increasingly endless seeming wars and a debt crisis that is not going away. In that environment, any incumbent, even one running against a radical with only the most tenuous understanding of history, the world or the economy, will still be vulnerable, so an Obama victory is not guaranteed regardless of who ends up being his Republican opponent.
Perry, and particularly Bachmann, would certainly be weaker candidates than Romney, but given the context in which the election will occur, it is not at all clear that Democrats should hope for the slightly less electable nominee, if that person would make an almost unimaginably bad president as Bachmann and Perry would.

There is another reason why having Perry or Bachmann win the Republican nomination is not something for which Democrats or progressives should hope. Should Bachmann or Perry be the Republican nominee in 2012, it is almost guaranteed that the general election will be a continuation of the ugly and confrontational rhetoric and politics that have been part of the right wing playbook since President Obama took office. Terms like un-American, treasonous and the like will continue to play a prominent role, not just in our politics, but in a presidential campaign. Perry or Bachmann will run with the certainty of the religious fanatic who just knows that his or her side has the support of God while the other side is deeply, irreparably and deliberately wrong. While this style of politics certainly did not originate with the right wing in 2009, it has come to play a bigger role than ever before among much of the anti-Obama movement.

At this time, the U.S. does not need a campaign which will further tear at the country's already tattered social fabric, but this is precisely what a Perry or Bachmann campaign, even if it ends up losing, will do. Rather than a divisive campaign, regardless of who wins, the country would benefit from a campaign which seeks to unify the U.S. in an effort to build support for the difficult challenges which we must overcome in the years ahead. It is worth remembering that while President Obama has been a disappointment to many and has generated real enmity from a substantial minority of voters, his campaign in 2008 sought to bring the country together rather than exploit its divisions for short term electoral gain. This was somewhat surprising given the intensity of anti-Bush sentiment on the left, during the Bush years. From the time he became a national figure, Obama's message was one of unity and finding common ground. His faith in this approach has made him a less effective president, but it spared the country some nastiness and division in 2008. Unfortunately, Perry and Bachmann will probably be the polar opposite from Obama as candidates if they win the nomination.

Democrats should be aware that preserving some sense of national unity and some broader social cohesion is more important than a slightly better chance of President Obama being reelected. Even if Obama is reelected, it is unlikely that he would be able to govern over a country that would be even more divided, with tensions and distrust running even higher than is currently the case.

 
 
 

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Rick Perry has shaken up the Republican presidential primary because he seems to be taking the mantle of Tea Party favorite and far right darling away from Michele Bachmann. Before Perry joined the r...
Rick Perry has shaken up the Republican presidential primary because he seems to be taking the mantle of Tea Party favorite and far right darling away from Michele Bachmann. Before Perry joined the r...
 
 
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Freddie27
Liberal Gay Jewish Atheist
05:43 PM on 08/31/2011
I think a lot of Americans will vote for the Republican candidate, be it Bachmann, Perry or Romney, simply because unemployment will remain above 9%. No matter how bad the economic situation is, Americans vote a President in with the promise that things will either improve or not get worse economically, and neither of those things have occurred under Obama. As much as Obama is a victim of circumstance, it will not matter to most Americans. And in this climate of despair and gloom, radical extremists like Bachmann and Perry can get voted in with promises of gas being under $2 and rapid economic recovery.
The piece of good news I see is that while Obama may be unpopular and the Repub candidates are riding high in the opinion polls, the Republican Party itself is very unpopular, at least more than the Democrats, because of its brinkmanship and association with the Tea Party. So I think the Democrats could be competitive in congressional elections.
11:34 PM on 09/01/2011
Sounds like the lesser of two evils to me.
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happyblackman
Gotta have more cowbell baby!
01:54 PM on 08/31/2011
Articles like this always bring a smile to my face! The right somehow feels that by nominating two political frauds and snake oil salesmen to the top of their ticket, it will grab the middle of the country. Every republican candidates has either made hypocritical statements that they had to recant, run from the sensible ideas that they once had, or have never had any to begin with! Most of them have signed a pledge to take away rights from certain citizens and will never cut the mustard as commander-in-chief. Plus with the whole debt-ceiling debacle, which exposed how most republicans felt about the average joe and corporations. Short of a dead hooker being found in the Oval Office, the Dems keep the White House and make small gains back in the House of Representatives.
bmumfie1
Proud NM Liberal
03:31 PM on 08/31/2011
Happy:

I sure like your post. Keep up those happy thoughts.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
01:53 PM on 08/31/2011
Perry or Romney paired with Mark Rubio as VP candidate.

That's the ticket the Dems have to beat.

and that's what they better start planning for
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Gudrun
My micro-bio is empty
03:55 PM on 08/31/2011
Well, we have seen what the wrong VP candidate can do for a campaign. It has yet to be demonstrated that any VP candidate in particular can push a presidential candidate over the top.
01:31 PM on 08/31/2011
I see Perry very much in the light I see what Bush was. And this country elected Bush not once but twice. When you have an electorate that is mad, scared, confused, and exhausted someone that can play to those emotions can easily get elected.

Time and time again in history horrible people have come to power because they knew how to exploit a population that suffered from undue fear and anger.
01:54 PM on 08/31/2011
That's right. The consequences of an unlucky victory by this guy would be dire, and the present regime is not providing much of a rationale for those like myself who voted for its figurehead in 2008.
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Simply put
Vell, he's just zis guy, you know?
12:31 PM on 08/31/2011
I'm all for Perry winning the nomination. I hear folks down south refer to him as the "Shrub" cause he's just another Bush. Wouldn't be difficult to beat that.
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11:40 AM on 08/31/2011
BHO is vulnerable because the other candidate is going to be "not Obama". Looking forward to another 8 years of a Texas Republican in the White House.
11:12 AM on 08/31/2011
I Obama wins, expect different republican behavior in congress for the next 4 years, regardless of the nominee. The repubs have been playing a dangerous game, holding the country hostage in the hopes that they can bring Obama down.

The problem with that approach is sometimes the hostage dies. And the hostage almost never appreciates the hostage experience. Every once in awhile the hostages turn on their captors.

With Obama term limited, the repubs stand nothing to gain with that strategy. Instead they'll try to convince the electorate that they can actually govern. That they're reasonable and thoughtful.

Or perhaps they're just so insane and irrational that they'll continue doing what they're doing right now.
10:22 AM on 08/31/2011
I do not think it really matters who is running on the republican side. You have the economy in shambles, you still have wars going on that people do not even know why we are there any longer. High unemployment with no end in sight, and now you have Fast and Furious news about our government allowing firearms to Mexican terrorists that end up killing our border patrol agents. They are reassigning the people involved at major expense to the tax payers so those people do not go public with their stories. This little problem goes straight to the top and as more is learned that will be critical to this presidents re-election.
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BlueOnBlue
We're in this together
09:16 AM on 08/31/2011
The biggest reason to hope for Romney as the candidate is that as a moderate, he could take some of Obama's uber-moderation away from him, forcing him to at least run a little more to the left in order to strike a distinction. We may not get actual progressive policy out of Obama, but we will once more be treated to slightly progressive promises.
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trekbette
Country Before Party!
09:04 AM on 08/31/2011
A Perry or Bachmann Nomination May Not Be Good for Democrats?

Forget just the nomination. I honestly think that a Perry or Bachmann Presidency would be a disaster for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation.
02:06 PM on 08/31/2011
It would be a disaster for the WORLD.
TOOO
Warning: Rabid Monty Python fan!
08:57 AM on 08/31/2011
Please remember the lessons of 2010: Republicans only win if disgruntled independents and Democrats stay home and don't vote.

Once again: Not to vote IS to vote... Republican.
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Caledoniaz
An evident lack of broughtupness
09:10 AM on 08/31/2011
Unfortunately, it also appears that voting in 2008 got us a Republican.
TOOO
Warning: Rabid Monty Python fan!
09:12 AM on 08/31/2011
We didn't so much get a Republican as we got a naive Moderate.
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BlueOnBlue
We're in this together
09:18 AM on 08/31/2011
Turnout in 2010 was much like the last comparable year, 2006. Sadly, the difference was that more independents voted Republican and so did a few Democrats.
08:32 AM on 08/31/2011
If either Perry or Bachmann manage to gain the Republican nomination it will do massive damage to the party. The Tea Party is like a fourth of July sparkler-it burns bright but eventually sputters out. Meanwhile the rest of the Republican party will have caught on fire and will be sifting through the ashes. Why do you think Karl Rove is so critical of them(the Tea Party)?
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08:30 AM on 08/31/2011
The media can stop paying attention to Bachmann. I don't expect this to happen immediately because she is a handy symbol for the media to smear all Republicans as irrational zealots.

It is a two horse race.

Given the state of the polls, the only numbers that matter will be Obama v Perry in battleground states based on likely voters. The casual swing voters won't start paying attention until next year.

If you actually hear Perry speak, he is a lot more Reagan than the crude caricatures suggest. If Obamanomics continues to fail and if Perry can present himself as someone with executive experience who understands how to create jobs, he will win despite the active efforts of the media to smear him.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
10:14 AM on 08/31/2011
You say "he is a lot more Reagan" like that's a good thing.
10:17 AM on 08/31/2011
Hey, let's face it, he's a white male and he looks good in a suit and a tie. The R after his name will cinch the deal. That's all that is required really.
bmumfie1
Proud NM Liberal
03:37 PM on 08/31/2011
Corn:

Are you smoking corn silk or what? Perry has no chance of being prez. Get real.
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Mark MacDonald
Pass the Scotch
08:03 AM on 08/31/2011
I do not believe either Bachmann or Perry could defeat Obama, but the idea that such a campaign would tear apart our national social fabric is just plain nonsense. I have been alive for 54 years and I can assure you that political debate is not anymore partisan today than it has been in the past and that the insanity of the rhetoric is the same as it has always been in our nation. The difference today is that the 24/7 news cycle and the internet give the nonsense more exposure.
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Jamal Spencer
just me being myself
07:54 AM on 08/31/2011
A Perry or Bachmann would be a good thing for Democrats because these two are serving one master:the Tea Party,which everyone hates. If they keep palling around the Tea Party,not only will people dislike him,they will ignore them completely,so a word of advice for any political member hanging around the Tea Party: get out or face being irrelevant.