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Worley's Anti-Gay Rant and Comparisons to Hitler

Posted: 06/01/2012 12:29 pm

In today's highly polarized political context, there is a great deal of political vitriol and frequent statements that are nothing short of appalling. Every now and then something is said that is far beyond the pale even by the standards of today's political discourse. Pastor Charles Worley's comments of May 13 are an example of this. Worley suggested, "Build a great big large fence 50 or 100 miles long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can't get out. You know what, in a few years, they'll die out."

Comparisons to Hitler are too common in our political discussions as assertions that, for example, President Obama's health care policy is comparable to Nazism, are ridiculous. However, in this particular case comparisons are appropriate. Worley's ideas regarding gays and lesbians are not similar to Hitler's -- they are the same as Hitler's. The idea of putting gays and lesbians into concentration camps and killing them is not something out of Worley's distorted imagination, but is something that actually happened during World War II as gays and lesbians were rounded up along with Jews and others and sent to death camps.

It is possible that the practice of invoking words like Hitler, Stalin, Communism and Nazism to describe something that speaker passionately opposes, a practice which we have seen more frequently since President Obama took office, has made us less sensitive to these claims, and less aware of the meanings and historical events behind these terms. Raising taxes to what they were under Ronald Reagan is not Stalinism, but proposing rounding up gay people and killing them is, in fact, the same policy supported by Hitler. The problem with constant comparisons to Hitler and Nazis is that when somebody actually proposes a Nazi-style final solution, we, as a society, no longer have the words to describe it.

The origin of Worley's hatred is baffling, and suggestions that this is a response to President Obama's recent support for marriage equality are insulting and cannot fully explain Worley's radical, murderous proposition, with its strong echoes of Hitler's genocidal views. While there is disagreement about marriage equality, which will likely remain for years, Worley's views are well beyond anything that might be called reasonable disagreement or debate. There can be many possible explanations of Worley's extreme and hateful ideas. Fear of a changing world, a deep and profound misreading of the life and teaching of Jesus, and the opportunity to build a lucrative congregation of bigots are just some of them.

The reasons Worley made these remarks are not important, but the reactions to these remarks, support those comments received, and anger and hostility which they reflect are more significant. If there were no audience receptive to Worley's murderous rhetoric, he probably would have kept his mouth shut. Worley's views are also an insight into the depth of the hatred and bigotry which still exists in America, even at times when many of us are relieved and excited by the president's recent public statements about equality.

Worley's efforts to hide his bigotry behind his alleged Christianity are unfortunate and cowardly, but it also raise questions for Christians and Christian leaders across America. The protests that have occurred in North Carolina since Worley's comments are encouraging, but any American who claims to be a Christian, regardless of his views on gay people, marriage equality or anything else should be furious at Worley for using his faith to propose policies that are unambiguously murderous and which would constitute crimes against humanity.

Obviously to judge all Christians, or even all members of Worley's church or denomination by Worley's words and ideas, is unfair, and nobody is doing that. Moreover, Worley is not the first, and won't be the last, person to use religious views to justify outrageous and hateful opinions, but the extreme hatefulness in his words are particularly galling.

Nonetheless, this is not a case of people using different interpretations of Christianity to rationalize different political views. Rather is a case of Christianity being misused to justify indefensible positions. It should perhaps go without saying that real Christians, regardless of their political views, condemn Worley, but it would probably better if these things were actually said, clearly and forcefully, by every Christian leader in the land. Moreover, it is conservative Christians who should be condemning Worley the most since they are the ones who have the most to lose if statements like Worley's are viewed as representing anything more than the fringe of the fringe of Christian thought.

 
 
 

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In today's highly polarized political context, there is a great deal of political vitriol and frequent statements that are nothing short of appalling. Every now and then something is said that is far...
In today's highly polarized political context, there is a great deal of political vitriol and frequent statements that are nothing short of appalling. Every now and then something is said that is far...
 
 
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BarryS
10:01 AM on 06/09/2012
Don't hold your breath.
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Tracy Fortune
Geek, mother, fair & compassionate ;^)
11:19 AM on 06/04/2012
Repressed sexuality. Shame & guilt of sexual feelings. That really is all it is.

The sick part is that these sorts are absolutely fine with & promote violence.

"Make peace & love, not war!"
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racmd
Just riding the wave of life
02:46 PM on 06/03/2012
"Obviously to judge all Christians, or even all members of Worley's church or denomination by Worley's words and ideas, is unfair, and nobody is doing that."

I believe you have chosen the same path as others in this instance. There are many of us who would judge all by the actions of a few for there are NONE standing up and complaining or taking issue with Worley's comments. Therefore, by complicity, they are accepting and, therefore, as guilty. The Germans stood by and allowed Hitler to do his dirty work...they started by burning the Reichstag and then Hitler motivated the youth...and by the time he was out of prison the youth were now his army.
I find the rationalization on our (LGBT) behalf horrible. The words have been spoken before..and a nation entered one of the greatest wars we ever saw and millions died in concentration camps..while priests, ministers, rabis and others stood by quietly.
I will not go quietly..believe me
We are 20,000,000+ strong in the U.S. and we are NOT going away and we will NOT be silenced by ignorance.
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borschjs
Retired USN
05:32 PM on 06/02/2012
When these, so called, men of God insite hatred towards any person or group of people that results in physical attacks, then these "Men of God" must be held accountable. When these " men of God" speak hatred, they have to realize, that there are ill informed, poorly educated people of limited intelligence who will use their words as justification to commit hate crimes. The woman in N.C. who spoke out in support of Rev. Worley has enough hate in her heart that she could pull the trigger or at least stand buy when a Gay or Lesbian is being beaten or murdered. The danger in it all, is that she and those "Men of God" use the Bible and words of Christ as justification for their intollerance and bigotery.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
02:43 AM on 06/04/2012
Fanned and faved. The issue is NOT that the churches consider homosexuality evil or sinful. The Constitution gives them and all believers the right to believe that and I have no issue with that. The problem is when you have clowns like Worley calling for our incarceration in electrified pens with food drops, along with that minister in Kansas saying the government should kill all GLBT people. The problem is that some churches while not preaching overt hatred such as mentioned above, do everything they can to keep loving same-sex couples from marrying. This is interference from the churches and yes, I am 100% against that. I would say the same if clergy from my religion were out there politically organising. It is this interference from the Churches that seeks to overthrow even legislation passed by duly-elected legislatures and signed by duly-elected governors (New York State and Washington State). If the churches want to play this particular game and stick their noses into the political process, they should start paying their fair share of taxes. If they want to play, they should pay, just like the rest of us have to.

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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
02:46 AM on 06/04/2012
Moderate Christians come on here and say "But we're not like that! We don't believe in things like incarcerating or executing GLBT people!" Then moderate Christians need to speak out against people like Worely and the "minister" in Kansas. Call news conferences, write letters to the editors of newspapers... Whatever it takes. There is an old legal maxim that says, "Silence implies consent". It definitely applies in this case.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
04:00 PM on 06/02/2012
Perhaps the simplest explanation is that Worley is deeply afraid that he is gay.
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Neenerpuss
If you cant laugh at yourself...someone else will
02:37 AM on 06/04/2012
Well the congregation keeps pointing at him and yelling "GAYMAN!"
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
02:30 PM on 06/02/2012
This so called minister should be arrested for threats of terrorism.
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SteveMD2
11:54 PM on 06/02/2012
let him share a cell in guantanamo with the 9-1 crowd. He's meet his own type
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
09:26 AM on 06/03/2012
I agree
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racmd
Just riding the wave of life
02:48 PM on 06/03/2012
Then report him to the DOJ... Take time...write it all down..and do it. We must not stand silently..we pay their salaries...make them do their job.
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Jie Jones
"Eat me!" -- Jesus, at the Last Supper
10:44 AM on 06/02/2012
"Obviously to judge all Christians, or even all members of Worley's church or denomination by Worley's words and ideas, is unfair, and nobody is doing that."

I disagree. If this man does not represent all christians, then where are the christians speaking up against this vile piece of crap? If they choose to remain silent, they deserve to be painted with the same brush.
03:41 PM on 06/02/2012
I am a gay Christian living in Germany. My church accepts me as I am and welcomed my (American) husband when he moved to Germany from Alabama. Like in the US, we have a separation of church and state here. Actually it is a more consequent separation, because our pastors/priests etc. have no right to perform a legally binding marriage, unless the couple was married in the city registry first. If a couple chooses to be married only in church, that marriage is not recognized by the authorities. A full marriage for gay people is not yet possible according to our laws, yet, the political struggle to achieve that is ongoing and might soon be successful. So far we only have a "registered partnership", similar to civil unions in some US states. Churches and religious groups decide themselves, if they allow gay religious marriage. Nobody can force them, and nobody needs to - because the only legal marriage is in the city registry. I like it that way.

It seems that many of the thousands of different "Christian" churches and denominations in the US are very radical, narrow minded and hateful. In my eyes those are NOT christian communities, because God is love, he ceated us the way we are (also gay!) and he is the only one to judge us.
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01:53 PM on 06/03/2012
Was Martin Luther a Christian in your eyes? He suggested burning Jews to death in their synagogues.
If you're Catholic, do you reject the church councils? The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 force the Jews to wear the Yellow star to mark them as less than human; the council officially compared intermarriage with bestiality.

Nietzsche said that the last Christian died on the Cross. If you believe "real Christians" are the ones who never do evil, then you're proving him right.
07:44 PM on 06/01/2012
Millions of softer Christians happily believe in a worse fate for us ... but after death. And somehow most people think that's acceptable.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
04:03 PM on 06/02/2012
These "Christians" may find themselves swimming in a "lake of fire" after they shuffle off this mortal coil.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
03:04 AM on 06/04/2012
Agreed x1000. As my late godson used to say, "Some Christans will be shocked when they see who is heaven and who isn't."
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:02 AM on 06/04/2012
True, but that belief is protected by the Constitution. It's not acceptable, though. Not at all.
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03:49 PM on 06/01/2012
The question I have for this reverend and the other religious leaders making these hateful, hate filled comments of violence and murder towards our fellow citizens is, When did you become God? Where and when did you get the right that Christ was very clear about, judgement and punishment are the province of God. It is the job and duty of Christians to treat their fellow man in a decent manner. So these folks either think they're God, or they're failing miserably as Christians.
04:08 PM on 06/01/2012
They think they have the one and only correct reading of god's book. Anyone who threatens their system, their worldview, threatens everything they have. So, opponents are always evil enemies.
Someone contradicts them and they are not a person who happens to think differently. They are an agent of Satan. This is extremist fundamentalism.

Very dangerous people. They whip up hate to keep their own faith alive.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
04:05 PM on 06/02/2012
Religious folks almost have to think that way. Religion is based on nothing concrete, so any disagreement with its tenets severely shakes the foundation on which it is built.
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BeninOakland
Don't tell me you love me. Let me guess.
05:18 PM on 06/01/2012
or both.
fo3angels
Equality is only equality if it is for all
03:23 PM on 06/01/2012
What do we call people who commit atrocities against people in the name of a religion? I guess it depends on the country or part of the world, or for that matter the religion being misused. What do we call people who lead others to commit those atrocities? Again, it just depends, doesn't it?
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SteveMD2
12:01 AM on 06/03/2012
hitler and the SS would be my first choice. Stalin and the KGB / NKVD second.
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Jeremy Bursac
You're not the bossa nova me.
02:25 PM on 06/01/2012
It is inapt to invoke the Hitler in this case. A more accurate historical reference would be the reservation system established for Native Americans, imo.

The fact that Hitler got the idea for his concentration camps from our reservation system does not mean the two are precise equivalents,
02:13 AM on 06/02/2012
Disagree. The U.S. didn't just throw one gender of indians in a confined space with the aim of thwarting reproduction eventually leading to death of a particular group. It is hitler-eque. Also, there was another preacher who said the government should outright kill gays. You can bet the farm that many people think like this. Just so happens that a couple of them are crazy enough to blurt out their inner thoughts
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SteveMD2
12:06 AM on 06/03/2012
Reminds me of Palin and her web site with gabriel gifford in the gun sight. She btw is an evangelical xtian (got to be careful here - the Evangelcial Lutheranss are great people and a great relgiion they alos allow their churches to have gay pastors in relagionships and some do gay marriage ceremonies) EVan Lutherans are also the main religion of scandanavia, which of course is great re gay marriage. As of June 15 only finland will not have it, though they have very solid Partnerships and its going to happen per what I'm told by European friends
05:40 AM on 06/02/2012
And there's also the fact that Hitler started out as a Christian crusader with the support of the Catholic Church. His book as well as his speech before the war are pretty solid evidence. In fact, Pope Pius signed treaties with Mussolini too- which actually founded Vatican City- and with the Nazis in 1933. Hitler himself said- in ridding Europe of the Jews- he was only doing what the Catholic Church had been doing for centuries. It is pretty safe to say that without the help of the Vatican, the fascist movement would have been smothered at birth. It makes all of these comparisons by bishops extremely hypocritical.
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SteveMD2
12:09 AM on 06/03/2012
http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm will expalin a lot BTW the catholic church also had treaties with Italy, and a Father DJanovic (? sp) used the Italian red cross to get visas for several thousand nazis out of italy to Argentina. Remember Eichman and btw the jewish temple bombings Read Hitlers Pope by John cornwell
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ronin8404
The FF were right, except when they were wrong.
02:24 PM on 06/01/2012
All I can tell you Lincoln is that people these days feel justified in their outrage thanks to the ability to share their thoughts online. The difference between the sorry excuse for a Christian you wrote about and Adolf is that Adolf told the world what he wanted to do and they didn't take him seriously until it was too late.

We do need to call out our own (from our side of the political divide) when they make these types of outrageous comments. We sure aren't getting any where sniping back and forth at each other.