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Humiliating Children In Public: A New Parenting Trend?

Posted: 04/18/2012 3:03 pm

Punish children by humiliating them in public?

Maybe it's because the weather has been unseasonably calm this year, but there has been a rash of examples of parents forcing their children to stand out in the open with signs declaring the ways in which the youngsters have misbehaved.

Most recently, in Illinois yesterday, Montrail White watched from his parked car while his 8-year-old daughter, Melissa, stood outside the High Mount School wearing a home-made sandwich board sign which read "I like to steal from others and lie about it!!" [Story continues below video.]


It's not a brand new approach (every year or so a desperate parent makes the news like this ) but there a rash of these incidents over the past few weeks -- and a chorus of supportive comments from other parents on the news sites that cover them -- hints at a form of discipline that is gaining traction. In a moment when so much else in life is lived out loud and in public, it would follow, in a backwards and disjointed kind of way, that the method of discipline as old as The Scarlet Letter would seem fitting in a modern age.

Which may be why in Miami earlier this month, Tarvon Young, a fifth grade student at the Richard Allen Leadership Academy stood outside that school for 90 minutes every day holding a sign that said "I was sent to school to get an education. Not to be a bully... I was not raised this way!"

Tarvon's mother might well have gotten the idea from another Miami family, specifically that of 7th grader Michael Bell, Jr. who spent much of his March spring break walking the local streets with a sign that said "Hey, I want to be a class clown is that wrong?" The flip side explained that the boy was failing civics, language arts and math, and asked passersby to honk three times if they think failing is bad.

That same month, 12-year-old Jose Gonzalez was ordered to stand on a Denver street corner by his father, Joseph, as punishment for taking $100 from a cousin's wallet. "I am a thief. I took money from a family member," his sign read.

And a few weeks earlier, 13-year-old Natia Wade held a similar sign in Memphis, saying "I steal from my family", after she swiped her mother's debit card to reactivate the cell phone that her mother had taken away.

Most of the parents say they say they were at the ends of their ropes. "He has been screwing up in school, behavior and academics and right now I am trying to send a message to him," Michael Bell Sr. told the local TV news. "Right now, this is the only thing I have left to try and reach him,"

Some, though, were trying to stop a problem before it became repetitive. "He's a good kid," Joseph Gonzalez told UPI.com. "This is the first time he's done something like this, I hope it will be the last."

All the parents made sure an adult was nearby. Gonzalez. for instance, chose the street corner he did because it was within view of the pawn shop where he worked. And all received kudos and huzzahs in the comments of the news articles reporting their choice of punishment.

"Humiliation works wonders, and can be a better form of discipline than beating your son up and leaving him a bloodied mess," a reader, Digital Dream wrote on the Miami New Times site about the Bell story.

"Extreme parenting? Yes. A Long-lasting and effective lesson? Also, yes," a reader named Anthony wrote to upi.com about the Gonzalez piece.

Those who think about discipline and motivation for a living, however, are not among those cheering. "It's not just that humiliating people, of any age, is a nasty and disrespectful way of treating them," Alfie Kohn, author of Unconditional Parenting: Moving from Rewards and Punishments to Love and Reason, said in an interview. "It's that humiliation, like other forms of punishment, is counterproductive.  "Doing to" strategies -- as opposed to those that might be described as "working with" -- can never achieve any result beyond temporary compliance, and it does so at a disturbing cost."

That cost, he says, is that the lessons learned by children are not the ones that the parent intended. What harshly disciplined kids absorb, he warns is "(1) my parent isn't a caring ally whom I can trust but an enforcer I should try to avoid, (2) when you have a problem with what someone else has done, you should just use power to make the other person do what you want, and (3) the reason not to steal (or lie or hurt people) isn't because of how it affects others but because of the consequence you, yourself, will face if you're caught.   No wonder so many adults who do terrible things were humiliated, or spanked, or otherwise punished -- often harshly -- when they were young."

In Swansea, Illinois yesterday, the authorities seemed to agree. The principal argued with Melissa White's father, then called the police to report that the man had cursed loudly and publicly in response. No arrests were made, but Montrail White was told by officers to remove the sign from his daughter and take her into school. All of this happened in view of arriving teachers and students, and the principal sent a note home to parents at the end of the school day.

"It is not safe to have a young child standing by a very busy school entrance," it read. "In addition, I will absolutely not tolerate the verbal abuse and profanities that were used this morning in the presence of parents, students and school personnel."

White told the local news website bnd.com that his only regret about the entire incident was that the "over reaction" by police and school officials is what sent the wrong message to his daughter. "Here I am trying to teach my daughter right from wrong and there isn't anything I can really do because a police officer yelled at her daddy and threatened to lock him up," he said.

If his daughter steals again, he added, "she'll be right back wearing that sign." Though next time, he said, he would make sure she was not standing on school property, so that the police can not be called.

Here are five signs children have worn as punishment:

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  • "I Like To Steal From Others And Lie About It"

    Father Montrail White punished his 8-year-old daughter, Amiyah, "after repeatedly catching her taking things that didn't belong to her." School officials called police when White made his daughter stand in the parking lot wearing the sign pictured above. He was asked to leave school property but says the sign will remain in their home in case it needs to be used again. <em><a href="http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/316438/3/Swansea-police-called-as-Montrail-White-disciplines-Amiyah-White" target="_hplink">via KSDK</a></em>

  • "I Was Not Raised THIS Way!!"

    Fifth grader, Tarvon Young, was suspended for planning to bully a classmate. His mother, Tarra Dean, didn't think his punishment was enough and forced him to stand outside his school holding up a sign that read "I was sent to school to get an education, not to be a BULLY. I was not raised THIS WAY!!!" <a href="http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21007137790589/suspended-student-holds-sign-outside-school/" target="_hplink">via WSVN</a>

  • "I Want To Be A Class Clown, Is It Wrong?"

    Michael Bell Jr.'s parents forced him to wear a sign that read, ""I want to be a class clown, is it wrong?" after they were disappointed with his bad grades. The other side of the sign asked cars to "honk if they think three failing grades are bad." <a href="http://www.local10.com/news/Dad-makes-son-wear-sign-for-bad-grades/-/1717324/9274744/-/y8f5yjz/-/index.html" target="_hplink">via Local10</a>

  • "I Am A Thief"

    When 12-year-old Jose Gonzalez took $100 from his cousin's wallet, his dad made him stand on a street corner for five hours holding a sign that read, ""I am a thief. I took money from a family member." <em> <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_20270115/curbside-confessional#ixzz1sQRwpOay" target="_hplink"> via The Denver Post </a></em>

  • "Honk If I Need Education"

    Mom Ronda Holder forced her 15-year-old son, James Mond III, to wear a sign around his neck that said: "I did four questions on my FCAT and said I wasn't going to do it...GPA 1.22...honk if I need education." <em><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/20/tampa-bay-mom-ronda-holder_n_825447.html" target="_hplink"> via The Huffington Post</a></em>

 
 
 

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10:54 PM on 05/20/2012
I don't thinki there is anything wrong with these forms of punishment it sure is better then parents beating their children and much more effective.
03:09 PM on 05/19/2012
Well here wie are in America trying to crack down on bullying in the schools and yet we allow parents to bully their own children. humiliation seesm so counterproductive. Itleaves the child feeling inadequate adn worthless. The actions of placing the card around them does not stop them from doing what is right for rights sake but because they will be made to be even more worthless should they get caught. I understand being frustrated with a child after countless infractions. One must try to determine the reason for the infraction. Are they looking fir the parent;'s attention. have they ever been told that they were beinig a "good kid" just because and not when they achieved an award or other form of recognition. Even doing chores at home creates a sense accomplishment in the child and a confidence boost when told that he/she did it well.
As a pediatricican with almost 20 yearas experience I find this type of parental punishment equivalent to "mental spanking" which will only create more bullying and other behaviors to make to make the abused child feel as if he has any worth left that was not taken away by this humiliation
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08:57 AM on 05/13/2012
This child got off easy compared to what would happen if she was much older and stole something from the store. I'm all for shaming a person for wrongdoing. Better now than before she's picked up by the police later on. It will save her from the permanent humiliation of jail time.
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Joanne Pang
10:39 AM on 05/18/2012
got off easy? these kids are having their spirits crushed and broken. Yes, they need punishment but reducing your child to that and humiliation? Not right! She is 8 for god sakes
08:22 AM on 05/11/2012
Nothing wrong with that punishment. In my day we would have been stan ding up for a while, because our rear end would be too sore to sit. The Dad says stealing has become a habit. Time to break the habit!
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CyninOregon
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01:32 AM on 05/10/2012
Screaming at his daughter in public, much less obscenities, is inexcusable. Setting up a child for years of therapy and anger management issues.

However, I respect his desire to stop his daughter's stealing and lying. When she said she wanted to be a nurse, I almost choked. My sister was almost pathological in her lying and taking things--mine, my mom's, later shoplifting..... No one took any significant action to change her behavior.

She grew up to be a nurse--a very good one, with one terrible exception....she stole elderly patient's medications. She had serious drug problems, and would give patients their sleeping meds and hoped they'd sleep through the night so that she could pocket their pain meds. She finally was caught and fired, and lost her license. She even went through rehab and knew enough not to go back to nursing. But she got back into drugs and finally OD'ed, breaking all our hearts, but esp my mom's. My parents never knew what to do over the lies.

So I applaud the dad's attempts to curb his daughter's unacceptable behavior at this young age, but urge him to get professional help on how best to proceed. This is not the way! Please find help for both of you...your hostility and anger (understandable) with her is causing you to say abusive things that will create the opposite result in this girl from what anyone would want.
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Joanne Pang
10:40 AM on 05/18/2012
Thank you very much for sharing this personal story!
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11:58 AM on 05/01/2012
All I can say is something my mother said to me when I had my daughter. "one day you will be sitting across from your grown child (if you are lucky) and possibly be criticized, asked or praised for the way you raised them and the things you have done. Choose wisely they way you punish, love every day and when you are done loving find a little love to love more. And, praise for accomplishments, frown upon failures but encourage your child to get up and try again....."
02:51 PM on 04/27/2012
I try not to pass judgment on others' styles of parenting, as we are all different, with differing family dynamics and our children are individuals in need of specific strategies. However, in situations such as these, I fear as if this public punishment is more about the parent than the child - perhaps, in some indirect way to demonstrate publicly "See what a tough parent I am? It isn't my fault my child(ren) is(are) acting out. I know how to discipline." Not saying that theory applies in every situation, but maybe in some. And I do agree with the idea that teaching children humility, respect, and responsibility seems counterproductive when putting their failures on display. I will admit that my child has never misbehaved in such a way where I had to start thinking about creative and effective strategies to discipline. I do not know what I would actually do until confront with that situation. I cannot judge others' situations without having been in their shoes. Parenting is the toughest job there is, no doubt.
11:03 PM on 04/24/2012
How perfectly timed is this article? My 9 year old is about to join these kids by holding her sign this weekend that says "I lie to my parents. Honk if you think lying is wrong." Please, let me say first that I love her with all of my heart and only want her to succeed in life. We cannot get through to her and have exhausted our resources including her doctor, her church and a therapist who told us "shes just a typical child." If she continues on her current path of continuous lying she is permanently destroying everyone's trust in her and is completely ostracizing herself from her family and positive peer groups heading straight down the slippery slope of a hard and horrible life path. She is needlessly ruining her life from the very beginning of it! Both her father and I parent by example, always striving to teach the core values of honesty, respect, and responsibility. We sincerely hope this helps her to realize that its not just her parents talking "blah blah blah" all of the time, its society that doesn't accept liars as well.
10:49 AM on 04/24/2012
I have three kids my self, and some times it is really difficult to deal with them, and i totally understand the choices these parents are taking as a last resource. It is just that i wish there was another way to do it, because by you doing this you are completly loosing your kid's trust and their friendship. And i understand these are extreme cases, most of them, but there's gotta be another way.!!!
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08:51 AM on 04/22/2012
That's a father that care about the future of his son. Good job dad.
02:46 PM on 04/21/2012
See YouTube Video "The Board of Education" to view graphic School Corporal Punishment injuries to schoolchildren K-12 by U.S. Public School Teachers, Coaches and Administrators in 19 U.S. States.
01:39 PM on 04/21/2012
Damned a black father for being under involved, damned a black father for being involved: The saddest thing about this story is the school administration did not see an opportunity for partnering with this family, reaching out and sharing resources, for example the support of the school guidance counselor to share behavior charts, family counseling resources. A quality principal should have more strategies up his sleeve than demonizing a father doing his imperfect best, being humiliated in front of other parents, and students...even more humiliation for the daughter. The school administrator's perception of a cursing, out of control father, or a scary man on school property "confusing" parents and requiring people with guns to control him is shallow, Cover Your
(r)Ash-isht, and predominately weak.
05:34 AM on 04/21/2012
I am not a perfect parent but I myself reached a breaking point when my son was caught stealing from his school book fair. He had long had a habit of taking things without permission and nothing I did changed things. My response was to schedule an appointment with his pediatrician. Turns out that "bad" behaviors like his near-compulsive stealing as well as lying are hallmark behaviors of ADHD. My son has since been diagnosed after repeated evaluations, is taking medication, has a checkup with the doctor every three months, is seeing a therapist, and visits daily with the school psychologist. In most of these cases sited in the article its probably a lack of maturity at play but some of these kids may, like my son, have a serious and treatable under-lying issue. And most parents can utilize the same resources I did! I know medication is often controversial but doctors and schools are still invaluable resources for parents who need extra support.
04:40 PM on 04/20/2012
Is there anything worse than seeing your child’s misbehavior become a habit? And things really become disparate when nothing works. I’m sure that’s the situation these sign oriented parents are going through. Here’s my two cents worth based upon being a family counselor with 40 years of experience and parenting four children. First of all, I think these parents need a lot of support for the frustration they are feeling. Secondly, they might appreciate practical, real-life alternatives to what they are doing. Of course unconditional love is the ideal, but it’s too vague for these really tough situations. Here’s a suggestion: Huff Post Parents could provide articles with practical tips for these parents and invite these parents to try them out. I’d be happy to participate. Gary M Unruh MSW, Author
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CyninOregon
proud liberal with socialist tendencies
02:02 AM on 05/10/2012
I hope they take up your suggestion. Mt sister was one of these kids (lying and stealing and then substance abuse) and my parents never could figure out what to do. It isn't lack of love or even discipline. It's the frustration of those things seemingly not being enough. My sister passed away 18 years ago (OD), and my parents are gone too now. We should have more resources now to help these parents not go through what mine did. You are right about the need for support for these parents and the need for real life alternatives. Your offer to participate is wonderful.
04:34 PM on 04/20/2012
Isn't public humiliation really a parent's admission of failure, including the failure to figure out how to be a better parent? Blaming and shaming (both public and private) are quick and easy ways to duck the really hard question--what can I do better to teach my child be a better person? When parents "get back" at their children for their mistakes, the lesson their children learn is "don't get better, get even".