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Overindulgent Parenting? That's So Ten Years Ago

Posted: 03/14/2012 10:47 am

What most struck me about the Wall Street Journal's much-read piece yesterday -- the one about the scientific analysis of what makes American children so self-centered -- might turn out to be the date of the research. How quickly does American parenting change? Are today's parents different than they were ten years ago?

Shirley Wang's article about researchers at UCLA's Center on Everyday Lives of Families, or CELF, described how 32 California families agreed to have every moment of their day videotaped so that the anthropologists, psychologists, sociologists and archeologists could study the American middle class in its native habitat. All the volunteer families had two working parents, and the scientific questions on the table included how they "balance child care, household duties and career, and how this balance affects their health and well-being," Wang reports.

The answers? Our kids are so "helpness and needy" that the Journal story led Libby Copeland over at Slate's Double X, to conclude, "Man, we are so screwed."

By "we" she meant the parents of these children, who, in one memorable moment of video provided by the researchers are observed doing things like this:

[O]ne exchange caught on video shows an 8-year-old named Ben sprawled out on a couch near the front door, lifting his white, high-top sneaker to his father, the shoe laced. "Dad, untie my shoe," he pleads. His father says Ben needs to say "please."

"Please untie my shoe," says the child in an identical tone as before. After his father hands the shoe back to him, Ben says, "Please put my shoe on and tie it," and his father obliges.

And by "screwed" Copeland suggests that we are raising a generation that will be incapable of functioning on their own.

But are we?

The videotapes that the CLEF has been studying to the point of memorization are about a decade old. The nearly 100 reports that researchers have produced from these tapes, and the many articles that have been written about the center's work (the Journal article is hardly the first -- the New York Times said exactly the same thing, quoting Ben throwing a similar tantrum, in 2010) are based on snapshots of fewer than three dozen homes, all in the Los Angeles area, in or about 2002.

This is valuable research, yes. And it is certainly fascinating. But could it be showing us how we were, or how we got here, rather than where we actually are? After all, we already measure generations by decades, each with its own identities and rules. The parents of the 1950s were a world removed from those of the 1960s, who, in turn, were starkly different from those of the 1970s. So why would the parents of 2002 not be equally different from those of 2012?

At the same time, we measure the children of those parents -- the "results" of that parenting -- by their differences, too, in clumps that average 15 years, and that are forged not just by the way they were parented, but also by the events that swirled around them. The Boomers (spanning the late 1940s to the early 1960s): team players, optimistic, spending now and worrying later, shaped by Vietnam, Civil Rights and taught to believe in the American Dream; Generation X (born between 1965 and 1980): self-reliant, skeptical, looking for balance, shaped by Watergate and recession and the dimming of The Dream; The Millennials (born between 1981 and 2000): turning out to be self-confident, achieving, tech-savvy, materialistic and attention-seeking, being shaped by terrorism, competitive parenting and the Great Recession.

When Ben demanded that his father tie his shoes ten years ago, then, was he a symbol of a moment that has already passed? We won't know for awhile, but think of all that had not yet happened in the ways of American parenting back in 2002. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan were new, and the grinding reality of terrorism had not set in. There had been no "opt-out revolution" (that magazine piece appeared in 2003), with women questioning the definition of success, and prodding companies to work with them, not against them. Judith Warner's Perfect Madness (2005) and Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (2011) had not pointed out that there are other, possibly better, ways to raise children. "Mommy blog" was a term rarely used back then, and parents had not yet taken to the Internet to confess, share and learn.

All of which leads to two questions.

First, how are the children shaped by 2002's parents faring years later? After all, it is one thing to identify patterns, and another to measure their long-term effects. Ben is 18 now. I'm betting he doesn't insist that his dad fetch his coat and put on his shoes anymore. Did Ben's father's indulgence cripple his son or strengthen him? Make him one of those kids who can't "launch" or one of those secure ones who launched an Internet company in his spare time?

Second, what will the effect of the past ten years -- all the dissecting and discussion of parenting -- have on the parents who follow Ben's? Will it include an awareness of how we have created too "kid-centric" a society and lead to a new determination by parents to right the ratio? Or will things just get worse, as the "professionalization" of parenting becomes more of the norm and parents become less likely to spend their rare family time "raising" their children rather than just "hanging" with them?

Only time -- and researchers with video cameras -- will tell.

But predictions are welcome.

 
 
 
What most struck me about the Wall Street Journal's much-read piece yesterday -- the one about the scientific analysis of what makes American children so self-centered -- might turn out to be the dat...
What most struck me about the Wall Street Journal's much-read piece yesterday -- the one about the scientific analysis of what makes American children so self-centered -- might turn out to be the dat...
 
 
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05:18 AM on 03/28/2012
This video covers the breast feeding dilemma that occurred at Target in a quite humorous manner, but offers some good insight – how that’s an issue, but fat, hairy men walking around shirtless is not? Worth a watch for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=youtu.be&v=cwO3GLIVHE0
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08:33 PM on 03/16/2012
I work at my kids' elementary school and see hundreds of kids every day. The thing that strikes me most is that parents don't seem to discipline their kids at home, which results in rude kids that constantly break the rules and get snotty about it. The other thing is that parents don't supervise their kids' homework; some don't even seem to care whether their kids even DO their homework, yet somehow everybody is outraged at the school's low test scores.
I was raised to be self-reliant, skeptical (yes, I'm a GenXer) and respectful, and this is what I'm passing on to my kids. So far this has proven to be the best way as they're able to take care of themselves and are polite. But I'm not so optimistic about the rest of their generation; I've seen too much pointing in another direction.
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02:32 AM on 04/13/2012
I'm with you.....I am a GenXer also, and also born and raised in the south...respect, hard work, independent, self reliant, no whining kids is how I raised mine..just like I was raised...we still believe in "it takes a village"...my mother, my grandmother, my aunts, my dad...they all help me guide my kids..I truly feel sorry for these new age parents who prefer to distance themselves from family and read blogs to decide how to parent their kids....thats whats wrong with these kids...parents who are friends, no structure, no discipline...If parents would raise their kids based on intuition instead of doing what is the in thing of the moment, then there wouldnt have to be a million blogs about "little Johnny"
05:45 PM on 03/16/2012
My children are adults now. It surprises me at the number of people who tell us that my husband and I have raised such great young men. How? WE ruled our house, not the boys. They were held accountable for their actions and raised to have respect for authority. They were held to their responsibilities, encouraged to do their best in everything they pursued. We were consistent with them. They knew they couldn't play one of us against the other. But, above all, they KNEW they were loved. Raising children isn't easy, but it can be done. Just MAKE AN EFFORT!
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Fran Jaime
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06:21 PM on 03/16/2012
I agree with most of what you wrote. I would only add that there were things that we negotiated but not many. I can't even imagine one of my daughters at 8, having me tie her shoe laces or untie them!
05:35 PM on 03/16/2012
I watch the way my grandchildren are being raised but keep my opinion to myself. Fortunately, the economy has not affected my childrens' income or changed their lifestyle. But their children are being spoiled rotten with too many toys, designer name shoes for all the kids, even 2 and 3 year olds, and clothes from the best stores and designer boutiques.

My children were raised in an average middle class home. They were loved and well provided for.

I watch my grandchildren and wonder how they are going to be able to maintain the lifestyle they are getting used to. I think they are going to hav a tough time of it.
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MammaG
03:35 PM on 03/20/2012
Good job. Continue keeping your opinion to yourself. How many of those toys, shoes and clothes did you buy? Unless your child is asking for you to help pay for them or the children are being neglected, it is none of your business. If you raised your child right, your job is done.
06:25 PM on 03/20/2012
I am continuing to keep my opinion to myself. However, it's a bit difficult when the mother brags how my grandchildren received 147 Christmas presents, not counting what grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. gave them.

I think your comment that is none of my business is a bit harsh. I raised my children with values, love of family and to be kind to others. I just hope my grandchildren are getting more than fancy clothes and toys out of their childhood. It takes a lot more than physical possessions in life.
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geauxangel
02:37 AM on 04/13/2012
So sad..spoiled kids become spoiled, obnoxious adults...so many parents think they are only giving their kids the best,it hurts them in the end...my girls are grown and learned very early not to ask for toys, cd's, movies etc....not to say I never treated them..but it was a treat...earned for chores or good grades...and now that they are adults, they don't go around expecting people to give them things...you must be a stronger woman than my mom...she would have put me in my place in a heartbeat if I was spoiling mine...
05:18 PM on 03/16/2012
ok when i was that little they didn't have a lot of slip on shoes or Velcro straps or these bungee like laces. and i'm only 25. these type of shoes are on the raises as being everyday shoes. so yeah alot of kids don't know how to tie shoes now and that is our fault for buying these shoes for them. Another thing is kids whose parents both work tend to act more needy because it gets mom and dad to notice. the kid is eight give him a break, it not like he not learning or anything. Don't blame the schools for this either it our job as parents to teach our kids these simple things: brushing teeth, combing hair, washing one self, tie shoes, eating with a spoon and fork, being nice to people, sharing and talking. plus a bunch of other survival skills for every day life. it our job so don't pass the buck. this study should have family with one person working and see how those kids know more about commonsense the the one with both parents working.
05:08 PM on 03/16/2012
One thing I see more now than ever is that there is no more Responsibilty and Consequences. When I was growing up, my father didnt coddle me into cleaning my room.....it was....clean it NOW and if I didnt there were consequences. I didnt fear my parents.....I respected their authority. At 8 years old if I would have asked my father to put on my tennis shoes and tie them, he would have said......go barefoot. Yes, things have changed..........
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07:19 PM on 03/16/2012
tryinghard, You are so right. No responsibility, No consequences, No morals, No values. Whatever happened to all that? Kids have no respect for anybody, not even themselves. They don't have to clean up after themselves, most don't have to do any chores. Most kids today are ao spoiled and they are just plain lazy.
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MammaG
03:38 PM on 03/20/2012
SOME kids are plain lazy. SOME parents suck at it.
On the other hand, there are some awesome parents out there with great kids. This is true of every generation. This one is no different. You are. You have grown up and now you are the curmudgeon pointing the finger.
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geauxangel
02:39 AM on 04/13/2012
Your dad and my mom sound like peas in a pod...kids have no respect now, and thats what is wrong with society....they don't respect themselves, their elders, police...no one...so sad.
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Jan Baer
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04:58 PM on 03/16/2012
Every one of my young adult grandchildren, nephews, and nieces have been zapped by the effects of the recession, and their outlooks are no longer centered on themselves. Dealing with no funds to keep going to school and no or part-time jobs, with parents working part-time or not at all, the value of family and appreciation for what they do have is now very important. Spoiled no longer.
02:30 PM on 03/16/2012
Those videos might be 10 years old, but the problem still exists - and is not getting any better. The newest trend is it is not p/c to say"no" to our kids. By the time present day youngersters are 18, not only will they be helpless, but angry as two year olds who have learned the meaning of the word "no" for the first time. Only difference is a 2 year old is aout 35 lbs - an 18 year old is fully grown. Wait until we see the "kids" having full blown tantrums! It is not going to get any better until the adults grow up and use some common sense. Loving limits, rules, and consistency does wonders!
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geauxangel
02:43 AM on 04/13/2012
Hearing "no" and getting my behind swatted on a regular basis, did not scar me, my sisters, or my children at all...I would never raise my voice to my parents, or elders like kids do now, and I am 43...my 82 year old grandma would still pop my mouth for sassing...my kids don't talk to me like that or anyone else.....they got told "no" alot just because I couldn't afford it....indulging kids because some tv or internet quack tell you that saying no will harm them, is the absolute wrong way to make future generations a better people..
02:30 PM on 03/16/2012
You mean parents are making their kids mind them when did that happen
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geauxangel
02:45 AM on 04/13/2012
It's a novel thing with most parents today...Too bad these same parents are raising a horrible generation of kids with no respect or boundaries...minding me was never questioned..it just was..
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R Harvey
11:57 AM on 03/16/2012
I called Sprint to complain (useless I know...their customer service is wasted), and all they could do was insult my intelligence and say if the computer didn't allow it there is nothing they can do. I got that same spiel from both the agent who answered the phone and the escalation specialist and when i tried to get to someone with real authority i was inexplicably cut off....So i encourage everyone to leave sprint and avoid the hassles.
The point is the attitude was just by talking to me they were doing me a favor it was beneath them to have to service the customer and if the computer didn't allow it there was nothing they could do and when i asked to be transferred to a supervisor i was cut off
02:53 PM on 03/16/2012
I had written to Lincoln Motor Company to complain about a problem the dealership couldn't seem to fix. I was surprised to get a call from them. But then the young guy who called read back parts of my letter to me and said "yada, yada, yada." I promptly went out and bought a Buick which I call Yada, yada, yada.
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MammaG
03:43 PM on 03/20/2012
NOT related to the article.
10:44 AM on 03/16/2012
The criminal "dumbing down" of our education system is what will do the most damage. "Graduating" all students, whether or not they can even read or write, will cost all in the long run.
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MammaG
03:44 PM on 03/20/2012
It's called "republican influence." The religious and the republicans know that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to be religious or republican.
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geauxangel
02:50 AM on 04/13/2012
True, but it's not just the schools job to make sure kids can read, write, add etc....my girls were reading by the age of four...reading well...I made education the one thing I would empower my children with...they didn't go to the richest or most pestigious schools, but I made sure they were learning no matter what the school was doing....schools have become underfunded, understaffed battle grounds with unruly adult sized children that they would rather pass than deal with....but it's ultimately up to the parents to ensure that their child learns...the school didn't bring them into the world, and while we offer public school, it by no means promises to do much more than babysit....parents have to champion for their kids..the schools don't care.
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Andy Schneider
10:24 AM on 03/16/2012
I've seen a steady decline in America's young for well over 30 years now. Look at the attitudes, spelling and grammer in the comments to Huff Post articles. The people working in store and restaurants can't do simple math, count change or apply a discount coupon correctly if the computerized register doesn't do it for them. Many of today's college graduates aren't learning what high school grads did 40 years ago. We've dumbed the education system down by teaching to the lowest common denominator so everyone (group hug) can move ahead together.

Everything is someone else's fault. Everyone's a victim. That crap needs to stop NOW. Kids need to learn they won't qualify for everything they want to do and no matter what, there will always be winners and losers. Parents need to be real parents instead of buddies, teachers need to be teachers instead of babysitters, students need to learn, everyone needs to play by the rules, and everyone needs to be held accountable for their performance or actions.

If we don't turn this around PDQ, we are screwed in oh so many ways!
07:26 PM on 03/16/2012
Excellent comment, depressing though it may be.

(By the way, it's 'grammar' with an a. But that doesn't change the fact that your comments are right on target.)
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geauxangel
02:52 AM on 04/13/2012
You hit it on the head!
08:51 AM on 03/16/2012
The level of incompetence in the work force has grown dramatically in the past ten years. I have seen this both as consumer and employer. If this was 2002, and it is really representative of parenting at that time, then we are in for at least another 10 years of this trend or worse. America really appears to be Rome before the fall.
08:48 AM on 03/16/2012
Before I get to my opinion, can I ask why many of the posters here felt the need to advertise their website? This is about opinions, not drumming up business.

That said, I agree with 2 posts: Yes, this was a very small sample of people from one town 10 years ago. Hardly a worthwhile statistic. Shame on the NYT for using such a meager study for the article.

I also agree with the psychotherapist who sees indulgence parenting on the rise. Granted, my view is only from one town, but I see different races & socio-economic classes & see how obnoxious & bratty these kids can be. I am the mom of one 9 year old boy & have an old school approach in parenting, while hubby is more laid back. Sometimes our home is not a democracy. :)

BTW, "barbara jay", I, too, get praises about what a well behaved, polite & well rounded child I have, despite the fact that there is tough love in my home & thatIi hold my chikd accountable for his actions. Our job is to raise an independent, well-rounded, happy individual.
07:56 AM on 03/16/2012
The late John Wooden's (UCLA Legendary Basketball coach) father taught his sons the following, "No Whining, No Complaining and No Excuses..." Based on this down to earth, Hoosier Farmer philosophy, Coach Wooden trained many students, athletes and fellow citizens that the best way to be successful in anything is to always strive to do your best!!! Tie your own shoes kid.....
Excellent Advice!!!