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Why Does Everyone Pretend There's A 'Spanking Debate'?

Posted: 07/09/2012 11:49 am

Spanking was a subject of debate on every parenting website on the continent during the past week, and I don't understand why.

Yes, I know why it was a topic of conversation -- the prestigious journal Pediatrics released a study early in the week showing a possible link between childhood spanking and mental health struggles later in that child's life, and that was news worth talking about.

What I don't understand is why it was a debate. By definition, that would require two sides. I see only one.

At what point does something become simple fact? The Pediatrics article was just the latest in a decades-long march of studies showing spanking -- defined as hitting with an open hand in order to correct or punish -- to be ineffective at best and psychologically harmful at worst.

In April, an article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal analyzed two decades of data and concluded that spanking has no upside, and its downsides include increased risk for depression, anxiety, substance abuse and aggressive behavior later in life.

A few years earlier, another Pediatrics study, this one by researchers at Tulane University, concluded that children who are spanked as often as twice a month at age 3 are twice as likely to become aggressive, destructive and mean when they are 5.

And it has been a decade since Columbia University psychologists went through more than 80 studies over 62 years and found that there was a "strong correlation" between parents who used "corporal punishment" and children who demonstrated 11 measurable childhood behaviors. Ten of the behaviors were negative, including such things as increased aggression and increased antisocial behavior. Only one could be considered positive -- spanking did result in "immediate compliance."

So would pointing a gun in their general direction. But that does not make it the right thing to do. And, as other research points out, if that temporary compliance comes at the price of long-term depression or defiance, then what has really been gained?

In spite of this mountain of data, though, polls and studies find that up to 90 percent of parents spank their children. And each time we parenting reporters write about the latest studies, our comment threads fill with practitioners, whose remarks range from outrage ("I was hit and I turned out okay god damn it") to despair ("I don't want to hit, but it is the only way I can get them to listen"). (You can get the idea here...)

I am continually amazed at what it takes to redirect parenting opinion. It is dizzying how quickly one study or article can -- sometimes -- change our ways. We started placing infants on their backs rather than their stomachs when there were hints of correlation, but not proof of causation, with crib death. Pregnant women stopped having sushi, soft cheese, caffeine and even a sip of alcohol on the remote but striking possibility that a small amount could have consequences. BPA bottles disappeared in certain circles overnight when there was an unofficial link to cancer.

But other times, we just don't want to know. In that way the spanking conversation is like the vaccine "debate." In spite of no credible evidence of a link with autism, and many studies that tried and failed to find such a link, there are some minds that just won't change.

Your parents hit you, and you are okay? They probably smoked around you, too, and they didn't make you wear a seatbelt, either, but we know better now. Also, might I respectfully ask how you know that you're okay? Perhaps if your parents hadn't hit their kids, you wouldn't feel a need to hit your own?

It is the only thing that works when your children won't listen? Swedish children are not running amok in the streets, and spanking has been illegal there since 1979. Sweden was the first of 32 countries -- including Costa Rica, Israel, Kenya and most of Europe -- to approve such a law.

Some questions really don't have two sides. "Is it okay to do something to your child that would land you in jail if you did it to a stranger on the street?" is one of those. You can phrase it other ways too -- like "Is it okay to hurt a child because it serves your immediate goal when science shows it can lead to long-term harm?" But there is still just one answer.

And yet, we keep seeing it presented as a disagreement.

"To Spank or Not to Spank" was the headline on both the CNN's report yesterday and the "Good Morning America" segment on Thursday about the latest Pediatrics study. The "Today" piece added the tagline: "Mommy Wars: Raging Parenting Debate," and a Babble blogger was found to represent each side.

But there aren't two sides. There is a preponderance of fact, and there are people who find it inconvenient to accept those facts.

Where, exactly is the debate?

 
 
 

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Spanking was a subject of debate on every parenting website on the continent during the past week, and I don't understand why. Yes, I know why it was a topic of conversation -- the prestigious journ...
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10:45 PM on 09/02/2012
Lisa Belkin....then let me ask you what do we do with all you women who commit crimes with impunity. As in my case my ex committed the crimes of perjury, kidnapping, extortion, theft and child abuse...and ALL the other women around her and MOST men say this is perfectly ok. And she got 95% of the house...all this was ok by you women. How about you women clean up YOUR MESS before telling us how to raise our children......oh..and yes...my ex also struck my former children to the head....You women are liars and hypocrites in the 99.9% majority.
04:54 AM on 08/25/2012
It's *not* okay to do to your child what you couldn't to a stranger on the street? Really? Does that include requiring them to eat their vegetables, do their homework, take out the trash, say please and thank you, and go to bed at 8 o'clock? Because you can't do those things to a stranger either.
Even if you are against spanking, that is some really terrible reasoning.
05:04 PM on 08/10/2012
I love this blog! When you said, there is a "strong correlation" between parents who used "corporal punishment" and children who demonstrated 11 measurable childhood behaviors. Ten of the behaviors were negative, including such things as increased aggression and increased antisocial behavior" but it does result in immediate compliance. Because of this so many people think it's okay to spank. As a child development researcher and child who grew up being spanked until my teens I take a strong stand against this. There are so many benefits children have from a nurturing parent. I wrote about those benefits here if you are interested. Kelley Ward, PhD, RN, C http://kelleyward.hubpages.com/_3u47dtkr7xqut/hub/How-Your-Child-Feels-Loved
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11:16 AM on 08/03/2012
spanking does not work it utter bs but other and better methods do work as well i grew up with spankings and i was taught that telling a lie would make it worse so their was that but its all in how the parents raise the kids its to each their own how they want to discipline their kids and that's what's wrong with the youth of the day they don't have the parental guidance that they need
03:04 PM on 07/29/2012
My husband and I were both spanked and we turned out "okay". However, we wanted more for our children. We didn't want them to be afraid to make mistakes, we wanted them to tell us what they had done with the knowledge that they would not be "hit", we wanted them not to cringe if we lifted our hands or my husband undid his belt.

We raised 5 children, none of them were spanked. Did we sometimes wonder if spanking would be easier and get it done, yes we did. Did I want to grab a wooden spoon and paddle bottoms as I spent an hour wrangling little ones back onto the time out chair, you betcha! But somewhere in the back of my mind, I could see myself at a very young age defiantly saying to my dad "go ahead, spank me, you can't make me cry!" I didn't want to see that in my own child.

When I look around my table, on special occasions, I see five adults ranging in age from 22-27, that genuinely care for each other and us. If we had spanked them, would they have turned out "okay"..probably. We chose not to, and we think they turned out better than just "okay".
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Chris Bowers
MyFactsCanBeatUpYourRhetoric
04:28 AM on 07/29/2012
I think it's similar to circumcision. It's easier to victimize the next generation than it is to admit that you were victimized.
02:01 PM on 07/23/2012
I would suggest keeping Sweden outside of this discussion. Their law about abuse of children went too far - you are not even allowed to PUNISH a child, as this is 'psychological violence'. Swedish kids are famous for testing their limits on parent, teachers and everywhere they go
Read this, please:
http://www.nkmr.org/english/the_children_are_embarrassing_sweden.htm
08:57 AM on 07/30/2012
Have you tried reading the ACTUAL law, instead of the crap served up in that article?

I thought not. The law is quite simple: it is AS illegal to hit a child as it is to hit an adult.

Some Swedish children behave badly. The majority do not. Just like in every culture on this planet. Don't believe me? Go *live in Sweden* for a while. Of COURSE you can punish children here - just are simply expected to follow the law when doing so.

Stop being ignorant.
05:09 PM on 07/30/2012
well, I actually DO live in Sweden
and I was quoting one of many articles I found, related to this subject, I did not write it but other Swedes... living in Sweden too

The fact is that Sweden has got nearly the highest number per capita of children removed (stolen) from their loving parents; that's why parents feel - and often ARE - helpless in bringing children up - radical (meaning: fundamental, no compromises, following personal values & beliefs, also religious) attitudes are considered by the state's employees (teachers, social services, doctors) as oppressive towards children, as breaking the law of 'limiting ones freedom', and this leads to severe consequences

children end up in foster care or orphanages, where - listen carefully now - the physical or emotional abuse rate is MUCH HIGHER... read the government report on this problem, most of 'states' care' places are flawed with it... where is your law and the wonderful state that introduced it?
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/vanvardade-fosterbarn-far-ersattning_6510274.svd
http://regeringen.se/content/1/c6/16/07/40/328df003.pdf
(in Swedish)

BTW, why are you calling me names? maybe it is time you learned something about your own country too, rather than just believing what smiling TV programmes tell the wide audience (in other countries this is called PROPAGANDA)
05:20 PM on 07/30/2012
One of many stories of how laws are followed in Sweden, all 'for the child's best' of course: http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/fosterbarn-kan-fa-skadestand_485609.svd

The 'state' can kidnap children just because someone decides that a single parent working in a stores cannot support the child well enough... 'slapping' is not even needed as a reason, the kid would get it later in the forster home anyway - but the parents cannot do it

not that I support slapping, on the contrary

I just said that Sweden is no example at all in any discussion about child care, in fact if you rear more about eugenics in Sweden (63000 sterilised people, most forcibly, between 1941 and 1974) you will see that this country is not really a good example for anything related to human rights...
11:45 PM on 07/22/2012
Okay, while working on my psychology degree, I did research on spanking in correllation with sibling violence. Guess what? There is NO significant data that says that children who are spanked are more likely to show violence.

The fact is that when spanking is used the way that it is meant to be used, to enforce rules that will keep your child safe, and is accompanied with talking to the child about why they are being spanked, it can be very effective.

Does that mean that every parent should spank their child? NO. If you are not comfortable with it than don't do it. But don't judge others if they choice to.

So Lisa, I disagree. There is a debate.
09:00 AM on 07/30/2012
"There is NO significant data that says that children who are spanked are more likely to show violence"

You basically claim that, for example, the Canadian Medical Association Journal lie? All right.

Please describe the scientific mistakes made in the quoted research which makes you certain the data is "not significant"
09:00 PM on 07/30/2012
I will admit I should not have been so definative in my comments. Sometimes when I read articles or comments following articles I get a little worked up.

That being said, here is the way that I see based off research I have done, things I have studied, and personal experience with children.

If you are looking at scientific catalogs, you can find just as many studies stating that there is no link between spanking and future mentel instabilities and you can find stating that there is. That is because there is no ethical way to study or experiment this particular subject. You can't control enough of the variable in this situation.
11:55 PM on 07/11/2012
So let me get this straight. A light pop on the backside to instruct a child not to run out in the street or touch a hot stove=physical abuse. Taking your kids to a therapist or psychiatrist and allowing said doctor to medicate them with anti-hyperactivity drugs=good parenting
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kacarpentry
Mom to many
05:53 PM on 07/12/2012
Who said that? Not spanking equals putting kids on medicine, ha ha ha! That's a new one! Personally, if your kid is not being watched closely at a young age near the street, or near a stove, that's the parents fault, neglectful parenting. My kids were watched ALL THE TIME. Never hit them once.
03:08 PM on 07/13/2012
If your child has ADHD or another condition that requires psychiatric medication then putting them on it definitely=good parenting. Just like taking your kids to the doctor to get an inhaler when they have asthma=good parenting. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when repeating this anti-psychiatry twaddle. Oh and stop hitting your kids.
05:35 PM on 07/11/2012
call it what it is a big person hitting a little person. bullying. check out the film: BABYHOOD (www.babyhood-film.com)
11:09 AM on 07/11/2012
Liberal Logic: It's perfectly ok to kill your children before they're born, but it's harmful to spank them (assuming you let them survive the first 9 months of life).

Let's take a couple lines out of the old Liberal playbook:

"If you don't like spanking, then don't spank YOUR kids!"
"Stay out of our bedrooms!"
06:50 PM on 07/11/2012
The analogies in the second half of your comment are false. Both "Stay out of our bedrooms" and "If you don't like X, then don't do X yourself" are meant to be applied to situations where consenting adults make decisions that directly affect only themselves and others who are consenting. We can apply these maxims to issues like tobacco use or homosexual sex, but not to issues like rape or battery, because those actions directly violate the rights of those not consenting. Spanking, many people would argue, is more like rape or battery (though generally less egregious). It harms and infringes on the rights of people (children) who are not consenting. That's liberal logic, and it seems pretty logical to me.

I'm not going to fight you on the the abortion issue. That's more complicated, and it depends on whether and to what degree you see a fetus as a fully-fledged person and bearer of rights, among other questions. You may be right on that point. But the second half of your comment just wasn't fair.
06:55 PM on 07/11/2012
To be fair, children do not have the same rights as adults when it comes to issues of bodily integrity, like the right to make medical decisions, etc. Parents give consent on behalf of their children in these cases. So perhaps you could say the same thing about spanking. But at the very least, the analogy to strictly personal decisions (directly affecting only oneself) is complicated.
10:43 AM on 07/11/2012
"Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death" - Proverbs 23:14

"The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother. Discipline your son, and he will give you peace; he will bring delight to your soul." - Proverbs 29:15, 17

"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." - Hebrews 12:11

"The rod of correction brings wisdom to the child. It provides an immediate tactile demonstration of the foolishness of rebellion. Properly administered discipline humbles the heart of a child, making him subject to parental instruction. An atmosphere is created in which instruction can be given. The spanking renders the child compliant and ready to receive life-giving words." - Tripp, Shepherding a Child's Heart

Spanking must be done correctly, with a heart and attitude of resolve and love. Anything, including spanking, done out of anger, is wrong, and will cause problems.

I see no debate either. Spank your children unless you want a foolish, selfish, rebellious child.
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TheRoad
01:13 PM on 07/11/2012
I always love it when people quote bible verses to support their positions, but conveniently overlook other things in the bible like the stoning of adultresses and other advice from violent times in biblical history.

How do you explain Psalm 23's "thy rod and thy staff comfort me"? You can't, because the modern, English and strict interpretation of "rod" has been interpreted as a stick for beating, spanking, whatever term you want to assign to it. The Hebrew word "shebet" in the biblical times was often used in connection with "God's authority" and can be substituted with the word rod. The shepherd's rod comforts, guides, instructs and protects the sheep. If the shepherd hit his sheep, he would lose his flock. The rod and the staff are tools for shepherding, guiding and protecting. The rod in childrearing is a metaphor for the same. Spanking is entirely a man-made construct, not a biblical one. Discipline and guidance can stand totally apart from spanking.
05:20 PM on 07/11/2012
Thank you for the intelligent response. I'm actually not trying to overlook anything to 'conveniently support my position', although I understand the sentiment towards those who do. As a first time mother, I'm earnestly wanting to train/discipline/instruct my child well and looking to the Bible (and wise, Godly counsel) for instruction. I'll look more into this, based on 'the rod' information you shared. I think we can both agree that context is always essential, and so I'll do some digging as to what is metaphor vs literal and the original words used and their meanings. Thanks again.
05:14 PM on 07/27/2012
Lol you must have not met my children! My children are far from that. You book does not apply to my family we are atheists.
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Kristine Ross
EQUALITY FOR ALL
08:28 AM on 07/11/2012
I think the debate isn't in spanking vs. not spanking I think it is more so in the degree of spanking vs. not spanking. Over zealous parents/guardians that routinely spank their children in an aggressive manner causing physical pain and red marks/welts can certainly be put into an abuse category. However, I don't think that parents that lightly spank their children with their fingers in a non violent way that does not cause physical pain is abusive. I tend to think that those who were aggressively spanked were also emotionally abused and that is why the likelihood of mental problems becomes more likely.
10:04 AM on 07/12/2012
"children who are spanked as often as twice a month at age 3 are twice as likely to become aggressive, destructive and mean when they are 5."

As little as twice a month. During the study. With researchers who are probably mandatory reporters. If they were beating the kids and leaving marks, the wouldn't have been participating in a study, they'd have been in jail.
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10:22 PM on 07/10/2012
I agree with your thoughts about spanking and with the findings published in Pediatrics. As a social worker it has been my experience that all of the abused child clients with whom I worked had parents who were also abused by their parents or other close family members. Abuse seems to beget abuse...this is not alright...it damages individuals and it damages families. Spanking is a form of physical abuse.
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Num1Christy
Progressive Ohioan
09:53 PM on 07/10/2012
My goodness this is preacher. Get off the box now hun!
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kacarpentry
Mom to many
10:13 PM on 07/10/2012
? Really? Do you think that of all articles, or just because you disagree?
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Num1Christy
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07:48 PM on 07/11/2012
All articles that try to disguise their preaching with "advise".