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Downsizing the Military -- A Disgrace

Posted: 08/30/2012 11:39 am

Yesterday two very lovely women came by my booth here on Radio Row, where I am broadcasting the show live from Tampa for the RNC. I was told they were military wives and something terrible was happening to them. When I heard their story, I initially did not believe it. When you hear it, you won't believe it either. And I fervently hope that you will contact your elected representatives immediately to do something about it. Because it is a disgrace.

What is happening is that close to 3,000 enlisted men and women are being downsized from the navy. That's right -- downsized. Not fired due to performance, or transferred to another station. They have been given their walking papers in the middle of their stints and told to find something else to do. Go find another house, another job, another health plan. That's the thanks they get for signing on the dotted line, volunteering to sacrifice their lives for our country. That's the thanks they get for loaning their spouses out for months at a time, on duty that takes them away from the first day of kindergarten, birthdays, holidays and the day the dog died.

Listen to this kicker our wonderful military offered these patriots. We'll give you severance, they said, but only on the condition that you serve in active reserve for three years. Moreover, if you have to file for disability, which many may need to do, then you have to give the severance BACK. You read that correctly. After years of service and sacrifice, after becoming disabled in the line of duty, the military wants money back from our vets.

Beth Armstrong's husband Paul has been in the service for 15 years. He is an aviation structural mechanic, with an E 6 rank. Beth and he have six children, aged 4 months to 11 years old, with a pair of twins in there for good measure. The military contracted for their housing, and now their landlord has given them a notice to evict. Beth came on my show yesterday and told me that she literally does not know where they will end up. Paul found a job, but it pays $30,000 less than his old one. Health insurance for her and the kids is iffy -- and if the government withdraws their benefits, they will be sunk. But the worst part is that Paul is emotionally devastated. Serving in the military is all he ever wanted to do. He has done nothing wrong, everything right. He feels so used, so confused, and so bitterly disappointed in our system.

When you sign up with the military, you don't get the choice to leave because you want to. You have to stay. Period. If you do leave, the consequences to your life are significant. The government wants to make sure you adhere to your contract, that you keep your bargain. Now our government is breaking that bargain. They think it's OK to break a contract with our enlisted servicemen and women and they think they can get away with it.

They can't get away with it. They shouldn't get away with it. These people need your help to reverse this outrageous decision, this disgraceful injustice that is being perpetrated on our bravest citizens.

If you want to know how you can help, contact Jennifer Beasley at sailorsagainsterb@yahoo.com or join the facebook page sailorsagainsterb.

Listen in today live on the Lisa Wexler Show for an interview with Jennifer Beasley, whose family faces this fate. Today 4PM EST. Lisawexler.com, or wfasam.com.

 

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01:01 PM on 10/20/2012
I guess these lifers (low individuals figuring on easy retirement) were just found out. 15 years and only an e6? that might a good place to look back on.
02:37 PM on 09/21/2012
Update on the legal case against the Navy with Attorney EW Keller, today on Lisa Wexler show. Listen in at lisawexler.com or iheartradio.com , WFAS AM
09:05 AM on 09/14/2012
Hear CNN report on this story: http://soundcloud.com/cnn/navy-layoffs-land-in-court
11:14 PM on 09/07/2012
I'll be talking this issue on FoxNews 4:45PM EST Sunday, September 9th on show hosted by Alan Colmes & Heather Childers. Will be Interviewing Congressman Scott Rigell next week on Lisa Wexler Show. Follow me on twitter to stay tuned for developments. Not giving up.
11:24 AM on 09/08/2012
Hi - this is Lisa Wexler, that post came from another account on another device, but it should be highlighted as from me, the author of the blog.
05:06 PM on 09/06/2012
For those of you that I publicly doubted about legality, end strength numbers, etc, I apologize. I heard an interview w/Mark Farum and Mike Huckabee and was absolutely blown away by some of the things that Mr. Farum said. He is clearly more in the know than I am. As a MCPO, I had been told what others had been told.........3K over end strength and this was the only way to get down. SMDH........................so much for me believing leadership.

Again, my apologies, especially to those of you that lost your job, or who's spouse lost theirs. Good luck to all of you and God bless.
10:25 PM on 09/06/2012
Thank you Master Chief!
07:45 PM on 09/08/2012
Thank you for your support! And on top of everything, I admire you for having the courage to apologize... sadly there are only a FEW GOOD MEN in the military... and you are one of them MCPO.
03:43 PM on 09/10/2012
KA, I am actually a woman, but thank you nonetheless!
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12:52 PM on 09/05/2012
For more on this story, and my interview with reporter Mark Farum of the Navy Times, please listen to the audio link here: http://lisawexler.com/index.php/shows/2012-shows/september/tuesday-september-4-2012 (second hour)
06:17 AM on 09/03/2012
They are calling this a forced reduction.This isn't the first time there has been a forced reduction. However, the normal protocol for forced reduction is to force those with 20+ years served into their due retirement which opens up the ranks. What happened here is nothing of the sort. Mr. Air Force Major has his facts all wrong. The Air Force HAS downsized, just not by these numbers. The Marines have come out and said they will not do to their people what the Navy has. The Army is downsizing by 100k by simply not approving re-enlistments.
The only thing these 3k sailors have in common is that they were within one enlistment of receiving their pension. It's no secret that those who serve in the enlisted military make almost half of what their civilian counterparts do.
I understand that our government is not only broke, but broken. If anyone paid attention to Obama's campaign the last go around, they would have noticed that hey, he said he was going to downsize our military to pre-Pearl Harbor size. Still, the only presidential authorization that has taken place was the 100k from the Army.
Mainstream media is afraid to cover this story and if the media IS covering it, they aren't asking the right questions. How many of these ERB sailors have been threatened should they speak out about their Commander in Chief?
06:32 AM on 09/03/2012
How many of these ERB Sailors were never notified their records were included on the board, therefore never getting the chance to write their letter to the members of the board. Why is it the NavAdmin states that no one serving on the board should have personally served or know any of the ERB members, but many selected have served under those that have been hand picked by the Admiral himself.
Tell my why the NavADMIN also states that each rate is to be represented on the board, yet no FC rate was ever present? How many ERB selected sailors have just come off of Limited Duty and were approved for PTS, selected for retention via ADSEP Boards and got axed while waiting orders? How many letters of notifications have been forged?


Look, I'm just a Navy wife (and prior Navy). I did my time. I got out. But my husband, he defended this country for 15 years. He was 7 mos into a 5 year re-enlistment that would have taken him to his 20 years. The man LOVED his Navy Career. He studied his ass off for an E7 exam that he never had the chance to take. He loved going on deployment. The Navy broke his soul. It's bruised and battered and the man will never be the same again. He feels his country, his Navy, his Commander in Chief, his command, his Admiral, his BIG Navy...turn their cold, hard backs on him.
06:51 AM on 09/03/2012
hey teach you in the Navy to have a plan. And, subsequently have a back up plan for your plan. And a backup plan for your backup plan. Sailors meet with their career counselors regularly to discuss their careers. If I were a betting gal, not one of those career counselors asked these sailors, "What's your plan should the Navy downsize and you are selected?"

It's the military. Everyone is expendable. They teach you that in boot camp. We don't want any money. Hell, we've transitioned into civilian life now for four months and have a good future planned. We just want an apology. We only want an explanation as to how, or why, something like this could happen to a man who just wanted to serve his country. A man, who, busted his behind to get off of limited duty to go back out to sea. A man, who, never should have been put on limited duty in the first place as the medical side said it wasn't necessary.

Closure. That's all my husband wants. Someone, somewhere, made the wrong decision. That person(s) should be held accountable. It's how the world works.
01:05 PM on 10/20/2012
hey whiner he'll probably leave you. can't blame him
05:02 PM on 09/06/2012
BT12, All Sailors separated under ERB were not within one enlistment of retirement benefits. The program targeted Sailors that had less than 10 years too.

It doesn't matter how you slice it, the whole thing sucks.
09:23 AM on 09/01/2012
This has never been abouy downsizing. If you read all Navy propaganda on the ERB its about rebalancing aka fixing the Navys mismanagement of the Navy...recruiting goals are through the roof, 7000 sailors under congressionally mandated end strength, and 10000 sailors undermanned at sea.....but Master Chief HYT went to 38 years and Admiral retirement went up around 60000 a year....this isnt downsizing but highway robbery!
06:31 AM on 09/03/2012
Not to mention the $5 million paid out to Challenger, Christmas, and Grey, who then outsourced to Herdt Counseling (which is owned by former MCPON Jim Herdt), for less than a year.
08:44 AM on 09/01/2012
While I feel for these sailors and their families, I'd like to correct one thing. The severance does not HAVE to be paid back...and it isn't paid back to the military, its paid to the VA. You can opt *not* to pay it back, though you become ineligible to receive disability from the VA until the disability payments you might have received equal the severance payment. This isn't an ERB thing, its been standard procedure for years. Personally, I think the system is sort of jacked up, but its not entirely correct to say that the military is taking this money from them.

The Navy has been "downsizing" for awhile; these sailors aren't the only ones that have are being unfairly discharged. Sailors found fit for duty and ready to come back to active duty from an injury, are often discharged also...and these sailors (who have also done nothing wrong) are only given 15 or 30 day notices.

Don't get me wrong, its not fair and there are so many ways the military could and should be handling this better...really, the military needs to do better at helping its members transition to the civilian life in general, as well as offering better support for those individuals that are being discharges for reasons beyond their control that have nothing to do with their conduct.
12:01 PM on 09/01/2012
This is the FIRST time that ANY military branch has EVERY broken a contract mid-enlistment. Yes, military branches have been downsizing by not allowing people to re-enlist HOWEVER with this ERB they are actually BREAKING contracts with years left remaining and not buying it out. What sailor, who is eligible for a VA disability, would pass up disability (a disabled veteran!?!) to get an ISP check that is worth less than a years salary. Also, what sailor, would pass up the ISP to get their family by because they are losing their job and healthcare and have no other options. It's a catch 22. Our service members deserve better than this.
07:10 PM on 09/02/2012
First of all the severance is a loan you have to pay back if you join another branch of service and retire, join the reserves and retire, or collect disability. Most families have taking the severance so they can put food on the table, so their families can eat, and to keep a roof over their heads. So before you come on here, know your facts. Thanks!
12:10 PM on 09/13/2012
Hi Kerri: You are correct about the severance pay, you do have to pay it back if your retire through the Reserve or Guard program or receive VA Compensation. What you did not mention was that you will have to pay the complete amount to include the tax taken out when you received your severance pay! For example, on a 30K dollar severance pay a little over 6K was taken out for taxes, so your take home pay was a little over 23K dollars. Yet, when the Service wants the money back, you will be charged for the full amount of 30K dollars. Yes, this is legal!
03:57 PM on 08/31/2012
Not only are they destroying our lives, they are also making it IMPOSSIBLE to care for Special Needs children, since they so "graciously" ended our career and the DESPERATELY needed medical coverage that goes with it. I have no idea how to care for my daughter now. She has a VERY rare condition, with several specialists, and no insurance to pay for them. She could die without the proper care, all because of the Navy "downsizing". But....like they always say...."family was not issued in your seabag".
02:06 PM on 08/31/2012
What about the fact that after being "selected' our performance evaluations were dropped STRICTLY and ONLY because we were "selected"? I know for a fact that my yearly performance evaluation was dropped to 3.0 Promotable(I was a 3.76 Must Promote year earlier) and was "ranked"(which another ridiculous method of judging performance in the Navy) an Early Promote by the Chief's Mess, but simply because I was "selected" for ERB, my EVAL was marked as such, only so the command could give my "EP" that I rightfully earned and busted my ass for, to a lesser performer. Might i also add that even after selection I still volunteered to be the scout vehicle for a convoy security team in afghanistan(who's sole job as the scout is to find IED's and clear the route for the rest of the convoy). Also, held 4 duties above my pay grade(given to me over those serving in the higher pay grade because of my leadership and performance abilities). But please, continue to tell me how the process was legit. There were PLENTY of troops in my command who constantly complained about how they wanted out, but were being denied...NO ONE IN A WAR ZONE WANTS THE GUY NEXT TO HIM...IF HE DOESNT WANT TO BE THERE! You want the guy who wants to be there fighting next to you(not because of the their orders, but because of their honor).
12:41 PM on 08/31/2012
6mill, you have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. Let me clear this up for you: 31 overmanned Navy occupations faced significant cuts under a program named ERB (Enlisted Retention Board). The board (comprised of the most senior enlisted rank and senior commissioned officers) screened 15,000 records of Sailors in one of the 31 overmanned jobs. Some of the people separated had physical fitness or bodyfat failures (no surprise), some of them had received punishment via their Navy command or civilian law enforcement (no surprise), but MANY of them were current year Sailors of the Year. To attain the recognition as SOY, you must be the BEST SAILOR at that command. Our commands range in size but the smallest will normally be around 100, and some exceed 3200. It's not easy to be the #1 Sailor in a command of 100, so do the math and figure out how hard it is in a command of thousands. The board was quota based and had to find approximately 3000 Sailors to send home. Again, MANY of the Sailors were stellar performers. Nobody will ever know what the board saw in a record to make the determination to separate a Sailor. The selection boards (for ERB or promotion) never, EVER disclose why a Sailor was or was not selected for retention or promotion. NEVER. So please get it out of your head that people "must know why they were let go". THEY DON'T.

Get your facts straight.
12:17 PM on 08/31/2012
@6mill, Also none of us were told why, in fact the Navy refuses to even discuss what factors were used to determine who would fill the quotas for separation. This also is an issue. All the cuts were were done behind closed doors in a secret board that was termed a rebalancing tool when in fact its a separation board. You seem like a curious person so ponder this, why did most of the people being cut if being able to finish their tour, would be beyond current force shaping tools since to reenlist nowadays you need to be Perform to Serve approved which is another force shaping tool that checks your evals and if you had any dicipline issues as well, why wasnt this sufficient? They claim high retention and the economy but the Navy is 7000 Sailors below Congressionally mandated end strength so that dosent make sense either. Also the Navy is 10000 billets undermanned at sea to include several ERB affected rates, so again that does not make sense. Here are some facts....the Admiral retirement pay just went up around 60,000 a year!!!!! Also the Admiral pay grade is OVERMANNED!!!!! but instead of them getting cut we did and I wonder why.In the words of a former under secretary of defense,"look whos doing the cutting" If you would like to know my credentials in manning, Navy programs, or Separations.I am a Personnel Specialist until midnight.
12:13 PM on 08/31/2012
We have not been told why we were selected to separate. For the past 11 years I have had an immaulate record. I've been shot, stabbed, ambushed, mortered, grenaded, snipered, and apparently all for nothing. All my evaluations were well above my peers and I volunteered for every hazardous duty that came my way. When my Commanding Officer had to tell me I was being fired he actually cried because he had no clue why I was being let go. And BTW if evaluations were a reason to cut Sailors my last eval was 4.86 ranked Early Promote.
11:57 AM on 08/31/2012
6mill.....Your are absolutley wrong! I am an ERB Sailor BUT before that I achieved 5 Navy/Marine Corp Achievement Medals, was Sailor of the Year, An EP Sailor, and Command Advanced to Petty Officer 1st class. Your misconception is part of the overall problem. We werent diciplinary separated but separated by quota. I gave my life to the Navy and embodied Honor Courage and Commitment, only to not have the same values reciprocated. I love this Country and my Navy but this is unacceptable. So, please if you need any actual facts about the ERB please let me know.
04:22 PM on 09/01/2012
I got the pink slip thanks to PTS. I have never gotten a P eval in my 11 years in the Navy. I was very hard working. In my last command alone, I was Junior Sailor of the Quarter, LPO as a E-5, and got 2 NAMS. I was only in that command for 2.5 years and I went to the command because of Needs of the Navy. I was in another command while deployed, when I was told that right when we got home that I was transfering to that command and that I was going on another deployment right away. While I was on that deployment, my husband who was in the Navy Reseves got activated. Navy was "short" on people to go IA and that he had to go for a year. Since I was still on sea duty, our kids had to move across the country and live with my parents for a year. When I was back on work ups, I was told that my PTS was denied and all the rates I tried to cross rate to was denied. I was in the ocean with my husband across that world and I had 3 months to figure out where we were going to move to. My husband came home while I was on terminal leave. We still did not have a home yet, so we were homeless. We stayed with family, hotels, a tent for a few weeks, and then a camper.