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5 Things That Should Be Allowed On College Campuses Before Guns

Posted: 04/07/11 08:50 AM ET

College students get caught with all sorts of things they're not supposed to have -- alcohol, drugs, plagiarized papers... And up until now, guns would have been considered contraband, too. But at least seven states are currently considering revised policies that would allow professors and/or students to carry licensed firearms on campus. That's right: guns on campus. Whatever side of the issue you favor, it seems like there are some clearer risk vs. reward policies that states should amend first. Here are five.

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College students get caught with all sorts of things they're not supposed to have -- alcohol, drugs, plagiarized papers... And up until now, guns would have been considered contraband, too. But at le...
College students get caught with all sorts of things they're not supposed to have -- alcohol, drugs, plagiarized papers... And up until now, guns would have been considered contraband, too. But at le...
 
 
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08:03 PM on 05/03/2011
I'm a student at UT Knoxville and just for the record, the reason we can't have snowball fights on campus, according to what I've always heard, is that a few years back guys were throwing snowballs from our one pedestrian bridge over a very busy street. Someone threw a snowball at a passing truck and the truck driver got out and shot and killed the guy who threw the snowball in a case of road rage. UT also never closes class for snow but will have weather delays thanks to the same incident.
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onwisconsin
Trust women; protect choice.
07:30 PM on 04/20/2011
Snowball fights are incredible at UW-Madison.
02:34 PM on 04/18/2011
How many shooting sprees were stopped because campus is declared a 'gun-free zone'? There were a few instances when killings and would-be killers were stopped by profs and students who were carrying legally. Proponents of immoral 'gun-free zones' should have the honesty to say what they really mean and advocate: 'shooting-fish-in-a-barrel zones.'
02:13 PM on 04/18/2011
Here I go again saying this: Years ago firearms were pretty common in schools and colleges. Ask anybody who was a student 40 or more years ago. There weren't school shootings and all the juvenille sociopaths like there now are. Gun laws were much more liberal than they now are, as well.
01:48 PM on 04/18/2011
College, Alcohol, Older Teens and Young 20s jazzed up on hormones and competitive edge. This does not bode well...
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Adam Davies
06:53 PM on 04/18/2011
But 21 year olds who carry at their jobs are more responsible than the college student who is 21? It is illegal to carry while drinking, or to carry into bars. Few 21 year olds even bother to carry when allowed. And those that have haven't descended into gun fights over things.
12:22 PM on 04/18/2011
"Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins."
Ayn Rand
02:49 PM on 04/15/2011
Marijuana. The end.
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04:17 PM on 04/14/2011
Apparently college kids aren't responsible enough to consume alcohol (legally) but should be allowed guns. American exceptionalism continues.
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Adam Davies
02:51 AM on 04/18/2011
Except the age to get a CHL is 21. Funny how that works, isn't it?
12:21 PM on 04/18/2011
Funny strange, funny ha ha or just funny sad?
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02:50 PM on 04/18/2011
Actually, I was referring to carrying guns at all, as was the article's main topic, slide #4 notwithstanding. And you can a license to carry guns in most states at 18. Keep making your disingenuous points though.
01:44 PM on 04/14/2011
Some of these are simply practical when you are living in a dormitory environment. Ever see what happens when a waterbed leaks? Ever see what the room below the waterbed looks like when the waterbed leaks?

Living in a college dorm means living in close proximity to a lot of other people, under the jurisdiction of the school who bears some liability when things happen. Additionally, college students are not likely to carry an insurance policy that covers others' property in the case of a fire or waterbed leak; especially if it impacts the property of 100 other students...

Even in the case of snowballs, I would imagine that there have been liability issues as the school is to some degree liable for the property as well.

The point is that most of these rules came about for a reason; often that reason is a hefty lawsuit. Which do you suppose is more likely: that some grouchy administrator just hates bubbles for the sake of hating them, or a commercial bubble machine overflowed causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage to students' property and the school was then sued?

This has NOTHING to do with things like the Bill of Rights; when you sign up for school and live in the dorms, you are handed a rule book. When you sign your name on the agreement, you are signing a contract. If you don't like the rules, don't attend, it's that simple.
08:33 AM on 04/08/2011
I really do not understand what people have against the bill of rights...
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08:23 PM on 04/18/2011
Funny I could ask the same of corporations and the political parties that pander to them.
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05:49 PM on 04/07/2011
Ugh..... The only people who would be allowed to carry are people who qualify for a concealed carry permit. They've already gone through the background check, paid their appliable fee, and are law abiding citizens. What is it that you people are so scared of? Utah hasn't had any mass shootings due to allowing firearms on campus...
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06:23 PM on 04/07/2011
Jefery Dahmer could've passed a background check.

CCW Certification tests are nothing more than 'common sense' multiple choice tests that any GED student could pass.

The fee is negligible when compared to the price of most firearms.

Lack of a criminal record != law abiding citizen. All it means is they haven't been caught yet.

Translation: CCW permits mean absolutely nothing except that someone went through the trouble to make sure they didn't get arrested until -after- they shoot someone.
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10:00 AM on 04/08/2011
So everyone who carries a gun is a serial killer waiting to happen? Really?

Driver's tests are things that ANYBODY can pass, and more deaths are due to automobile incidents every year than firearm related incidents.

So since the fee isn't high enough, it doesn't count?

Lack of a criminal record does equal law abiding citizen. In this country, we have that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing. It comes in especially handy when the person hasn't done anything wrong. But it's nice to see that you hold your fellow citizens in such high esteem.

Oh, and people who go through the trouble to get their CCW permit aren't going to just randomly start shooting people. Why go through the trouble to not break the law in just carrying the firearm, to break the law by shooting someone? The holes in your logic are big enough to drive a truck through. Following your logic, nobody should be issued a drivers license because all that means is they went through the trouble to get a license and be legal before they sped, drove druck, broke curfew, etc. Oh, and the fee to get a license renewed? Extremely negligible when compared to the vehicle. Gee, looks like nobody should be driving either right? And think, that's not even protected in our Constitution. Thanks for playing.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
11:43 AM on 04/08/2011
Wow, well it's a darn good thing Jeffrey Dahmer obeyed those gun laws, or something terrible might have happened.
05:18 PM on 04/07/2011
Pass these ridiculous laws and guns stores will start popping up around colleges next to Starbucks. Let's stop these extremists!!
05:44 PM on 04/07/2011
Silly, guns are generally too expensive for a student at college to buy on their own.

Guys and gals chewing on ramen noodles because that's all they can afford won't be shelling out 500 for a gun too often.
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06:14 PM on 04/07/2011
Smith&Wesson .38 snub-nose revolver: $200

Geometric Methods for Stability of Nonlinear Elastic Thin Shells
by Jordanka Ivanova, Franco Pastrone
Hardcover - October 2001
List price: $219.00

Yeah, college students could almost never scrape together enough money for a gun...
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bdunlap52
05:50 PM on 04/07/2011
Oh no, a store selling a legal, Constitutionally protected product! The HORROR! I'm sure the smokeshop around the corner from campus doesn't bother you.
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06:16 PM on 04/07/2011
Other perfectly legal, constitutionally protected products many gun owners are actively against:

Pornography.
Evolutionary Studies Text Books.

Other Constituionally protected products with undisputed negative consequences to society:
Alcohol.
Tobacco.

Interesting to see where some people draw their lines.
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
04:38 PM on 04/07/2011
"Gimme an A . . . or else."
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schotts
This We'll Defend
11:35 PM on 04/07/2011
what's to prevent that from happening now? It's called laws against making threats with deadly weapons. Won't happen.
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
03:09 AM on 04/08/2011
Now they can do it on campus where they're sure to find their prof. If they can't find them, they can't threaten them. Why enable assault?
05:27 AM on 04/18/2011
or else...i'll hit you with this snowball! oh wait, no. that's against the rules. i guess i'll shoot you
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04:15 PM on 04/07/2011
/me grabs the popcorn and settles in to watch the NRA trolls froth at the mouth.
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The eyes have it.
10:09 PM on 04/14/2011
Pretty much. I leave it to others to converse with these refined men of letters.
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02:07 PM on 04/07/2011
guns are already on campus, allowed or not.