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Several weeks ago, I tried to cut through the Gordian-knot politics of Senate Democratic vote-wrangling over health care reform by explaining the end-game math, which is that the Democratic caucus contains 58 Dems, one liberal Independent (Bernie Sanders, I-VT), and one unreliable, self-serving Vichy (Joe Lieberman, V-Hartford Insurance). That makes 59 possible cloture votes, one short of 60.
With 59 votes plus Lieberman, here's how Reid should have seen the endgame politics:
1. Lieberman only has a shot at re-election by pulling a Zell Miller and becoming a Republican. A guy who lost the Democratic nomination in his last election and supported John McCain in 2008 is 3/4 of the way there, anyway.
2. Because he's about to switch parties anyway, he doesn't care about threats to strip him of his chairmanships the way every true Dem does.
3. Lieberman has told everyone who'll listen (including Glenn Beck) that he loves Republican filibusters, hates the public option and might filibuster health care reform.
4. Lieberman could negotiate a lot of goodies from the GOP if he can bring them Obama's and Reid's heads on a platter by singlehandedly killing health care reform.
And, therefore,
5. Reid had little choice but to court Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who herself is on wobbly ground in her party (Jay Rockefeller described her as being under "brutal pressure" from her party's leaders) and whose reelection chances would be boosted by supporting the public option, by offering her incentives to oppose the same Republican filibuster that I predicted Lieberman would join.
That's why Obama was urging Reid up to the very last minute to choose a trigger rather than an opt-out: to keep Snowe in play in case Lieberman punked out. I believed (and still believe) that Snowe's cloture vote can be bribed with things other than triggers -- in addition to liberal earmarks, Snowe could be promised superb committee assignments and effective seniority if she becomes a Democrat -- but however it was won, her vote was needed.
Yesterday, however, Reid announced that the Senate bill would include a public option opt-out, not a trigger. Snowe had made it clear that that would be a deal-breaker, and apparently it was: although some see a little wiggle room, she's clearly on the GOP/obstructionist side again, at least for now.
When Reid made his happy announcement, I assumed he had cut a deal with Lieberman to guarantee his vote on cloture, because it would be foolish beyond foolishness to abandon Snowe without knowing -- knowing -- that Lieberman's vote was secure. And now we learn that Reid was foolish, and Lieberman's vote was not secure, and health care reform may well be dead. Lieberman said today:
"I also told him [Reid] that if the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage. Therefore I will try to stop the passage of the bill."In other words: "I will join the Republican filibuster of the bill Reid announced yesterday unless you give me what I want."
Update: Lieberman's backbiting comes as a surprise to the White House. From a press gaggle aboard Air Force One Tuesday with press secretary Robert Gibbs:
Q Does the President think that it can work its way through without the support of Olympia Snowe?
MR. GIBBS: That's a better question for Olympia Snowe. I don't know what the dynamics are. I don't know what the vote count is in the Senate. That'd be a question, too, for Senator Reid.Q Politico is reporting that Joe Lieberman is saying he'll join Republicans on a filibuster. Is Obama confident he can get the Democrats to beat back a filibuster in the Senate?
MR. GIBBS: I haven't seen the report from Senator Lieberman or why he's saying what he's saying.
Also, there's some confusion about what Lieberman is threatening to do. There are TWO procedural hurdles before a bill faces a final, up-or-down vote: bringing the bill to the floor, then closing debate on that bill ("cloture") so it can be voted on. Lieberman has said he will cooperate with bringing it to the floor, but will filibuster it once it's there. So don't be confused about whether or not Lieberman is threatening to filibuster the bill and deny it a simple majority vote: he is.
What's fascinating about Lieberman's "I'll support you partway" position is that this may be how he hoodwinked Reid: telling him that he will support bringing the bill to the floor, thereby giving Reid the impression that Lieberman would stand with the Dems in the crunch. If so, Lieberman didn't lie, he only told a half-truth -- and Reid fell for it.
Update #2: Lieberman, leaving a Democratic caucus meeting after today's announcement, confirmed to HuffPost his position that he would vote to bring the bill to the floor, then filibuster it if it contained ANY kind of public option -- even one only activated later by a trigger:
"What I said this morning and what I've said to Senator Reid is that I'm inclined to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed to a debate on health care reform, because I believe we need to have a debate on health care reform and I hope to be in a position to vote yes on health care reform. But, I've also said that if the current proposal remains as it is unamended, before the final vote on the floor, that I will not vote for cloture."Lieberman added that he would not support a compromise put forward by Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) for a public option that would be triggered into effect.
Lieberman also indicated he wasn't concerned about losing his chairmanship -- though whether that's because he no longer cares about it (as I've suggested) or because no one in the Democratic leadership has even threatened him with such punishment is unclear:
The Connecticut senator, who was nearly booted from the caucus less than a year ago for supporting the GOP's presidential candidate, said he wasn't concerned about retribution. Asked by HuffPost as he left the meeting if he was willing to give up his gavel -- his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee that he fought so hard to keep following the presidential election -- he dismissed the concern. "Oh, God no," he said. "Nobody's asking me that."
Strangest of all was this throwaway:
HuffPost asked him if there'd been much reaction from his colleagues in the Democratic caucus."Not really," he said, "because I think my colleagues know for a long time that I've been opposed to a government-created, government-run insurance company."
Since the same realpolitik considerations that govern negotiations with tyrannical actors like North Korea also apply here, it's wise for Senate Democrats to keep the lines of communication open in hopes of still winning Lieberman's vote on cloture. But no reaction at all? No "say it ain't so, Joe!" from anyone else in the caucus? That doesn't pass the smell test.
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Jeffrey Feldman: The Health Care Ghetto
Will Americans actually be able to choose the public option or will it just be a health care ghetto for those of us who have been tossed out like unprofitable trash by the insurance industry?
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Lieberman is nothing more than a ME ME ME Politician who cannot live without his mugshot on the tube, newspaper front page and every internet website homepage!!!!!
Mr Bellows:
That was a very good article, yet I must ask you if you really know what drinking a milkshake is? If so, i applaud your tongue in cheek humor.
"That's why Obama was urging Reid up to the very last minute to choose a trigger rather than an opt-out: "
But Mr. Bellows you missed the whole point. A bill with a trigger = no public option. The trigger will be worded so it will never be triggered therefore no public option would ever go into effect.
So there was a choice of getting a chance of a PO with an opt-out or none at all with the trigger, it didn't matter anyway. It was lose-lose.
Can someone please explain something to me? I don't understand how this can be good for the Republicans. For at least the second time, they've stood in the way of health care reform. This time, it's reform that a great majority of the public supports. Common sense would dictate that this would make them look bad and hurt their chances of gaining seats next year. Common sense would say they should LOSE seats next year. How would defeating much needed, popular reform win them more seats in Congress? It's so counter-intuitive I can't wrap my mind around it.
The Repubs are currently undergoing a quiet civil war within their own ranks between the reasonable conservatives (who can see the problems you outlined above) and the bat**it extremists, the crowd who supported Bush right to the end, think his big problem was not being right-wing enough and essentially think Obama is Satan. Currently, the loons seem to be running the show.
They're relying on A) being able to blame Obama for not doing anything about healthcare (because they killed it) and B) a re-run of 1994. Their problem is that firstly, America is a very different country from 1994; secondly, Poppy Bush was relatively harmless compared to his son's catastrophe and thirdly, the Republican party is WAY further to the right than they were in 1994. Essentially, if you place the centre at 50 of a 100-point scale (fascists at 0, commies at 100), the 1994 Republicans were about a 35 or 40. Today's Republicans are about a 15.
See M.S. Bellows, Jr.'s Profile
EbonBear's right. Also, the excessive gerrymandering that Delay pulled off has resulted in Congressional districts that are highly concentrated with wingnuts; there are few moderates represented by the seats the current Rs hold, so no need to appeal to them. Further, GOP registrations are down: more Independents now, and the Rs that are left (and vote in primaries) are the hardcore Right. You can see this in the way Teabaggers are attacking Lindsey Graham: ANY hint of moderation can expose a Republican congresscritter to a primary challenge.
So, bottom line, Congressional Republicans are scared not for the general election, but for the primaries; once they appease the red-meat crowd there, then they hope the big corporate donors can get them the general-election win.
I still don't think that answers my question. Why would MORE people vote for the Republicans who stood in the way of getting us the reform most of us want? I would think LESS people would vote for them; especially if they succeed.
I don't like the proposed legislation with the public option or without the public option. Hopefully the filibuster will kill the reform completely and they will have to start over on one that might actually control the cost of health care. If the filibuster just kills the public option, and then the reform is passed, it's probably just as bad or worse than passing one with a public option. Here's to the destruction of the current reform.
I agree with those on here who say let them filibuster.
Damn right, let them fiflibuster. Call their bluff. It's obvious what the American people want. It's obvious that those going contrary to what we want will show themselves as the traitors they are.
Backstabber Joe's already shown what he's made of and who stuffs his pockets.
Their filibuster will fail. Go for reconciliation and break it down. With an attitude. Time to take the gloves off, Sen Reid.
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The Republicans never needed 60 votes for anything. Hell, even being in the minority they still have more power then the Democrats. With 51 senators, the Republicans invaded countries, upended the Constitution, shut down government, impeached a popular Democratic president, anything they wanted, and the whimpering, mewing Democrats helped them.
Harry Reid did the right thing. If health care reform is going down anyway, let it go down with Democrats fighting for it. (I, for one, couldn't bear to see some watered-down Snowe-approved piece of junk get passed and called health care reform.) Let Republican obstructionists be the ones who killed reform by siding with Aetna over their constituents. Then, go after them and the bluedogs in the next elections, and then try again for health care reform, and if necessary try again and again until meaningful reform passes.
I could not vote for any Democrat who supports a reform bill with no public option.
I agree Raker. I live in Indiana, the land of Evan Bayh. I hope he gets primaried , and is simply thrown out of office. Damn blue dog.Why should he care about the working people, his wife sits on the boards of three healthcare companies, Wellpoint included.I say, throw the obstructionists out of office, no matter their party. They are of the party of greed and death.
I find it both amusing and infuriating that the Republicans have effectively raised the bar to get anything, not just healthcare but anything, from 51 votes (or 50 and the VP) to sixty by making it clear that unless there are enough votes for cloture, they will filibuster absolutely everything.
The filibuster was intended to be a once-in-a-ÂÂgreat-whiÂlÂe, exceptional circumstances move and now, the Republicans are making it clear that they will filibuster absolutely everything they have a chance to. Was only a few years ago when the Republicans were threatening to eliminate the filibuster altogether because Dems filibustered three of W's most paleolithic judicial nominees. "UP OR DOWN VOTE" they screamed, they shouted that the filibuster was unconstitutional over and over (and I remember this because the website I worked for at the time had loads of advertising from conservatives about it). Eventually, they worked out a "compromise" that the filibuster could stay as long as Dems promised to never, ever use it. Now, the second they're in the minority, they threaten to filibuster everything they have a chance to. The second they're back in the majority, it'll be back to 51 votes to pass anything.
This is bull**it. The Repubs aren't trying to be a loyal opposition, they're not trying to compromise and they're trying to tilt the playing field permanently in their favour.
See M.S. Bellows, Jr.'s Profile
So what would you do to solve the problem? Serious question.
As other posters have asserted below, if a filibuster seems certain, bring it on. But instead of allowing procedural shortcuts that make it appear as if a succesful filibuster already happened and couldn't be blocked by cloture, LET it happen, and let the American public see their government grind to a halt for days or weeks, while a minority of Senators use an obscure procedural tactic to block certain approval by majority vote of a relatively conservative health care reform bill. If Repubs succeed, they will have a lot of very difficult explaining to do. Again, bring it on and let it happen if that's the way Republicans want it.
We all could use a civics lesson in how majority rule, two party democracy no longer reflects the will of the majority in the U.S.
One more thing...KARMA. Whoever chooses to block reform now is in the way of a freight train. It is going to happen and soon. We are watching a crazy dance of the absurd and it will be tough to understand. But we have done the leg work, we just have to keep the polls showing what we want.
Don't give up folks. If you follow every iteration of this debate it will drive you insane. I have been working with OFA and other groups since spring, collecting signatures, calling/emailing congress, talking to people....and I have had some really tough ups and downs. I feel calmer as it comes to a fitful close. Enemies are fighting because they are scared. But we will win this, Obama will win this.
Of course Joe Shmoe said this today after we were all so excited with Reid's taking a strong position yesterday. 'Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to continue to be a very bumpy ride'.
But don't give up. H E A L T H C A R E R E F O R M I S C O M I N G VERY VERY VERY SOON!!!
I may be a naif myself...but I still think the screws are going to be tightened on Lieberman. I don't think Reid made his announcement unless he knew something we don't. He has waited forever. And I still believe Obama will get what he wants...he always does in the end.
There must be some discussion of Lieberman loosing his committee chairmanship(s), or actually leaving the party. And as much of a tool as he is, I think he knows he is toast in his state if he votes for a republican filibuster.
I can hope.
excellent post and analysis of the situation and the players.
At this point, wondering about whether Reid and the Dems are considering the move of reconcilation which needs only 51 votes.
If there is a strategy by the Dems to proceed with that action, then IMO they won't be telling Joe L about it before they take action.
You water this bill down enough... you will have more Democrats voting against a useless.
All this headache for 3 so called "Democrats"?
See Joe The Nerd Ferraro's Profile
anyone interested in staging sit-ins at waffling congresspeople's offices this friday?
So the future of health care for 300+ million Americans sits in the hands of Joe Lieberman....? Unreal, how utterly ridiculous this democracy has become.....
Does the name Benedict Arnold come to mind?
Arnold had more integrity, he honestly thought he was doing the right thing. OK, he was wrong but Lieberman doesn't even have that cover.
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