I endorsed Ralph Nader in 2000. And while I didn't support his candidacy four years later, I defended his right to run. Nobody's vote "belongs" to any candidate except the one who wins it. The Democrats didn't lose in 2000 because Nader won a smattering of votes in Florida. They lost because Al Gore was a lousy candidate who couldn't carry his own state nor motivate tens of millions of potential Democratic voters to get off the couch. If had an 'enth of the capacity to inspire and engage the crowds of new voters that Barack Obama had demonstrated, we would have never heard of Dubya again.

But now that Nader has announced he will make a third run and while I would oppose any effort to keep him off the ballot, I am disappointed, even chagrined by his incipient candidacy.

Nader's anti-corporate message should not be shrugged off nor should his commitment to raise all of the issues that make most politicians of both parties squirm. "You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized, disrespected," he said in announcing his candidacy on Sunday. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine/Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bungling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."

Great message, Ralph. But absolutely no strategy. Politics is all about perception, and the perception of Nader's first run, fairly or not, was that of a tragedy. His redux in 2004 was more of a farce. His run this time will be doomed to be pathetic. It will accomplish absolutely nothing except to diminish Nader's own towering record as a citizens' advocate and to marginalize the crucial issues he raises.

In 2000, running as a Green candidate, Nader scored less than 3% of the vote. He left behind no infrastructure, no organization, no network of any significance. All that marked his legacy was a mountain of bitterness and recrimination. Four years later, in the middle of the Bush catastrophe and with the Democrats fielding a candidate equally lame to Gore, Nader was able to attract a flyspeck .3% of the vote - a tenth of what he garnered in 2000.

What does Nader expect this time around? He has no funding, no party structure behind him, and no rational way of explaining of what he could possibly accomplish. More disturbing, he has no visible constituency. The overwhelming bulk of what might be called the Nader Vote has been swept into the vortex of the Obama campaign. Nader can make the argument, if he wishes, that Obama is just one more corporate sell-out but it is unlikely that the millions who have flocked to Obama are all of a sudden going to be jolted into an about face that because Nader will appear on the ballot.

Nader is far too smart a man to know that he has any chance of winning anything. What he, and whatever few supporters who will join him, will argue is that by running he will somehow force Obama - or Hillary if she wins the nomination--to move to the left.
This is, of course, nonsense. All of the factors that contributed to Nader's dismal finish in 2004 are many times more potent this cycle. His candidacy will force nothing, except the voters to view Nader as some sort of bizarre spectacle. The competing candidates will see him as little more than a nuisance.

It doesn't have to be this way. Ralph Nader could play an essential and productive role between now and November without sacrificing neither his independence nor his principles. One could imagine a rolling, coast-to-coast chataqua over this coming summer during which Nader, precisely, would keep alive any and all of the issues neglected by the mainstream debate. It could be a role of great import and great dignity. Why Nader, instead, has chosen to further marginalize himself and his agenda is way beyond me.


 
 

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- fightorleave2 See Profile I'm a Fan of fightorleave2 permalink

Can someone explain to me 2 things: first, why is Nader running now? In other words, why didn't he run in 2004? Why is it only when a Democrat seems likely to win would he enter the race? My second question, which is probably more important, what Democratic voter is going to vote for Nader? In other words, what Democratic voter (other than those who would never vote for Obama in the first place) wants another 8 years of Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 02/27/2008
- rogerskulnik See Profile I'm a Fan of rogerskulnik permalink

My guess is that the answer is simple. Nader is infected with a bug that strikes even non-politicians: he is running again to prove he was right running the first time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 02/27/2008
- ramal See Profile I'm a Fan of ramal permalink

Nader has become a sad parody of himself. He needs to take up the fight in other ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 02/26/2008
- GuiltyUndertaker See Profile I'm a Fan of GuiltyUndertaker permalink

So your candidate can win? Pretty disingenous of you, I must say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 02/26/2008
- dhinds See Profile I'm a Fan of dhinds permalink

The fundamental reason why Al Gore didn't become President wasn't Ralph Nader - it was a corrupt and elitist electoral process, beginning with the anachonic and undemocratic Electoral College and ending with Brother Jeb and a partisan Supreme Court that wouldn't permit a recount.

If the USA is ready to elect it's President by Direct Popular Vote, it will require a constitutional ammendment to do away with Electoral College.

Barack Obama hasn't called for that, Nader has. And Barack Obama has neither responded to the request I made for his stance on this issue months ago - nor defined his position regarding a number of other issues that deserve attention, and the question is WHY?

What does that signify? An insufficient or poorly informed staff that doesn't have time or incentive to dig deeper than the canned answers they were provided with? (Edwards' Campaign included "Issues Interns" that did just that, although it took a few calls to get my request channelled correctly).

So if Nader's presence helps direct attention from the barackobama.com and hillaryclinton.com campaign teams (the candidates and those whose input is taken into account), to issues currently off the table; it will serve a useful purpose.

He's well within his rights, requires permission to run from none of those here and has a legitimate reason for doing so (and I am not about to second-guess his intentions, beyond his declared motivation).

An antecedent: No one did more to shape the major parties' platforms than Norman Thomas and he did so without winning a election, although he ran for President 6 times over 20 years (check wikipedia).

As mentioned earlier, Nader won't get my vote but hopefully, his presence in the race will help make the rest of the candidates more accoúntable. That's all he says he wants and so do I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 02/26/2008
- GuiltyUndertaker See Profile I'm a Fan of GuiltyUndertaker permalink

BushCo still would have stolen the election, Nader or no Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/26/2008
- Americanabroad See Profile I'm a Fan of Americanabroad permalink

It wasn't just a smattering of votes in Florida. If half of Nader's voters had voted for Gore in New Hampshire, Gore would have won the state, four electoral votes, and no one would have cared about Florida.

Not that I am blaming Nader. I agree that Gore ran a poor campaign, the poorest decision being the choice of Lieberman for VP. We can only hope that the Democrats pick up few more seats in the Senate and they can tell Jomentum to pack his bags and get completely out of our party.

Everyone has the right to run for president, including Nader. He addresses important issues. The biggest problem America has is that our political system is fundamentally corrupt. Most of our solvable problems stem from this fact. If he truly had the power to awaken Americans to this fact and do something about it, it would be a great thing.

I think this time around few will take him seriously at election time and doubt he'll make much of an impact on the results. Although both parties are corrupted by corporations, there are still significant differences. Anybody who thinks things would be as bad as they have been under Bush if Gore had been elected is seriously confused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 02/26/2008
- bullseye See Profile I'm a Fan of bullseye permalink

Ralph would serve us better by taking a bag of bird seed with him to the park and feed the birds. They will care and give him the attention that he needs. He isn't going to get my attention. To me he is a sleeping pill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 02/26/2008
- GuiltyUndertaker See Profile I'm a Fan of GuiltyUndertaker permalink

If you don't like Nader, all you have to do is not vote for him. But don't you dare tell me not to vote my conscience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/26/2008
- MovieMaker See Profile I'm a Fan of MovieMaker permalink

Nadar is running simply because he is an egomaniac (just look at his history) and currently has psychological issues. Where was he in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007? The non-election years? WHAT HAS HE BEEN DOING IN THIS TIME, TO FURTHER THE ISSUES HE SAYS HE CARES SO MUCH ABOUT?

The answer is obvious. If I had his notoriety and access to some financial backing, there's a lot I (or anyone) could do to have moved some of these issues forward into the public limelight over these past 7-8 years. But he has done nothing of the such. He's an egomaniac with problems. What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 02/26/2008
- CAPTAINSKIPPY See Profile I'm a Fan of CAPTAINSKIPPY permalink

Looks like Cooper is more mainstream now. But we shouldn't be leaving issues out of discussion just because the corporations are fearful over keeping profits up. Without the Naders of the world, these periodic contests mean less, and lack hope of - Change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 02/25/2008
- EditMe See Profile I'm a Fan of EditMe permalink

As a former Nader supporter, I support his right to run. And it heartens me to see someone besides me say that Al Gore lost because he was a bad candidate. Every time I hear someone say Nader lost Gore the election, it rankles me.

But I believe Cooper is right. Nader will accomplish little if anything this time. When you have a Barack Obama running, you don't really need a Ralph Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 02/25/2008
- dhinds See Profile I'm a Fan of dhinds permalink

I called the votenader.org office a while ago and they confirmed what I suspected: Nader's sole reason for joining the Presidential race is to put a number of issues that aren't being dealt with by the rest of the candidates on the table (a concern I myself share). He has no illusions about getting elected and no intention of attracting votes (I certainly will not vote for him); just raise some issues deserving of more attention than they've been getting.
Barring an unforeseen event, Obama will be the next President of the USA. The question is: Is he really prepared to be as all-inclusive as he says he'll be, or is he only willing to relate to to those that subscribe to his movement with no questions asked (folks he can be condescending with)?
I know this much: At this point, don't expect a reply to a request for his stance on any issue for which a canned response is not on hand. All you'll get is a form letter thanking you for your participation, assuring you how important it is to them - but no concrete reply relevant to the comment or request made.
Has the public's response overwhelmed his staff's capacity to respond? Probably so - but there's no way to tell whether that will be corrected any time soon or even whether the intention exists to do so. So far, he's gotten all the blank checks he needs from adherents that don't ask tough questions and want only to be part of the movement, rather than help provide direction for it. Will he define his stance on the issues Nader refers to, or consider them a threat?
Interestingly, Nader predicted the Obama phenomena after his attracting 5 million votes in 200 caused Al Gore to lose the elections. He claimed that the USA would unite against George Bush. We'll soon know whether the candidate best able to agglutinate the publics desire for change is a "True Believer" or a True and Visionary Leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 02/25/2008
- patianneb See Profile I'm a Fan of patianneb permalink

Pathetic.
He ought to join up with Michael Moore and collaborate in making scathing documentaries about things that need exposing.
Of course between his ego and Mr Moore's . . .
who knows?
My point is that I think Nader is an icon and worthy of respect; his short term legacy shouldn't be that of a bitter has-been; an ego-driven profoundly negative old man.

Long term, history will be reward him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 02/25/2008
- GuiltyUndertaker See Profile I'm a Fan of GuiltyUndertaker permalink

None of the Democratic or Republican candidates are ego driven. of course not. How could I think such a thing? They have lots of money. No ego there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/26/2008
- newsweek1945 See Profile I'm a Fan of newsweek1945 permalink

I have admired this man for years as a fighter, an iconoclast, a free-thinker, but since 2000, I suspect that the man has a problem, his ego. Doesn't he realize that for the last two elections, he has unwittingly, or wittingly empowered those that are the anathema to the "freedom and democracy" that he so gloriously is trying to preserve? He is beginning to look like the Fifth Columnist, Lieberman...I wonder if he and Lieberman are in league with each other for their own self-serving reasons, i.e., position, money, and power. I don't want to declare him as pathetic, yet, until his real underlying motives are truly known. He could be dangerous again, and the "creeps" will sneak in the back door again....MMMMM(?).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 02/25/2008
- GuiltyUndertaker See Profile I'm a Fan of GuiltyUndertaker permalink

Clinton, Obama and McCain don't have big egos, do they? No, when you raise tons of money the media will conspire to call you a statesman.

BTW Marc, this is Nader's fourth run. He was candidate in 1996.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 02/26/2008
- brenner21 See Profile I'm a Fan of brenner21 permalink

rralph nadir? who he??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/25/2008
- PauCK See Profile I'm a Fan of PauCK permalink

I stated this in another blog here today, that while it would be un-American for anyone to suggest he should not run, it is equally un-American on Nader's part if he does run. He can't win, he has no "machine" and no "deep pockets".

I like his ideas, but he is unrealistic and dangerous to American simply because he does not seem to understand the consequences to the rest of us of his ill-conceived bid for election.

The best thing Nader can do to "help" Americans is to get out of the race and stop working for the Republicans. You will never hear them suggest he resign the race! They love him after 2000 when he DID CAUSE THE ELECTION OF BUSH despite his cries to the contrary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 02/25/2008
- factsnotfeelings See Profile I'm a Fan of factsnotfeelings permalink

I will vote for Nader. I voted for Gore in 2000, scull&bones Kerry in 2004, and Ron Paul in the GOP primary because Paul wants to end the illegal war now. I will vote for Nader even if it puts eternal war McCain in office simply because Nancy Pelosi will not put impeachment on the table. If the Democrats do not impeach then they agree with Bush. Maybe 100 years of war will prove the point or end our USA experiment. I am tired of playing tug of war with the GOP and willing to just give up so they will fall on their @$$. You better believe the other Ron Paulers are out there, more than the vote showed, and willing to vote on principle. Pelosi can fix it or be fired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 02/25/2008
- mick3 See Profile I'm a Fan of mick3 permalink

So, because you're pissed about one particular thing, impeachment, you're quite willing to countenance endless war. I wonder if you are of draft age or have anyone you care about who is or might be in the next, oh, say, hundred years? Your view is no less narrow and egoistic than that of Nader. As for Ron Paul, his plan to impose a flat tax in place of the IRS is seductive until you realize that the poor will be devastated and the middle class, what's left of it, reduced to poverty. The suffering that would bring to the many, in hunger and want,is incalculable. Meanwhile, the wealthy could care less. With their piles of discretionary income (earned by the rest of us), they wouldn't feel a thing.

Impeachment means nothing but a slap on the reputation, so to speak. The next step would be criminal indictments, and that could never come close to happening given the present membership of the Senate and the precarious "majority" in the House.

If there were another election, which probably won't happen, and a Democrat were to be elected president along with a healthy majority of Democrats in the Congress, then criminal proceedings could begin against the vermin, preferably via the Hague. I just wish we could haul them off, from Cheney, Addington, and all the restof the cabal of thugs and murderers now reigning, to one of our detention centers, preferably Guantanamo--in the secret part (where the "good" stuff happens).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/26/2008
- twinkerbell See Profile I'm a Fan of twinkerbell permalink

Why do you think the Dems took impeachment off the table? I suspect that they were told that all the raw FBI and other data regarding the less savory aspects of their personal lives would be revealed. They value self-preservation more than they value their constituents' desires to impeach. Besides, there are not enough votes in the Senate to convict, even if they could get impeachment through the House. So you can vote for Nader if you wish, and you'd rather be right than President (credited to Henry Clay). If the Repubs win the election because of naderites like you, they will take us down the final road to Fascism. All war, all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 02/25/2008
- prichard See Profile I'm a Fan of prichard permalink

People who vote for Nader are reckless gamblers who rationalize their indulging in their rush of nobility and superiority.

They tell themselves that the odds are so against their vote for Ralph putting the GOP in the White House that it's more important that they register their ideological purity.

They're narcissistic, passive-aggressive power-trippers. They're responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in the Middle East, trillions in debt, etc.

But, just watch, many of them will do it again. The GOP will pour money into Nader's campaign because for Republicans it's a smart gamble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 02/25/2008
- battleborn1 See Profile I'm a Fan of battleborn1 permalink

I know lots of people hate Ralph Nader because he's who they used to be before they sold out or compromised their ideals on the alter of Me Me ME! "They're narcissistic, passive-aggressive power-trippers" Wow, that's the most off the wall rant I've heard yet. Imagine someone who has represent the desires of the American for 30 years wanting to allow people something other than the status quo represented by both wings of our one party State. For the Republicans and DLC Democrats are but different wings of the same party. I both pity and loath those who insist they must vote for the "lesser of two evils". And Nader DID NOT cost Gore the election in 2000, Gore did it all by hisself. But it's nicer to blame it on old Ralph, aint it...Punk! Ralph Nader and people with non negocible principles are responsible for thousands of deaths? You truly are off the rails Mr. Choo Choo. 9/11 would never have happened had the Dem and Rep wing of The Party killed his demand for non breachable cockpits, at the behest of their paymasters, the Airline Lobby, that a few grand per plane was an "unreasonable" idea. You are sad and pathetic.

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