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A Chronological New Testament

Posted: 08/31/2012 8:01 am

A chronological New Testament is different from and yet the same as the New Testament familiar to Christians. It contains the same 27 documents, but sequences them in the chronological order in which they were written.

The familiar New Testament begins with the Gospels and concludes with Revelation for obvious reasons. Jesus is the central figure of Christianity and so the New Testament begins with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Revelation is about "the last things" and the second coming of Jesus, so it makes sense that it comes at the end. Revelation and the Gospels function as bookends for the New Testament. Everything else comes between: Acts, 13 letters attributed to Paul, and eight attributed to other early Christian figures.

A chronological New Testament sequences the documents very differently. Its order is based on contemporary mainstream biblical scholarship. Though there is uncertainty about dating some of the documents, there is a scholarly consensus about the basic framework.

It begins with seven letters attributed to Paul, all from the 50s. The first Gospel is Mark (not Matthew), written around 70. Revelation is not last, but almost in the middle, written in the 90s. Twelve documents follow Revelation, with II Peter the last, written as late as near the middle of the second century.

A chronological New Testament is not only about sequence, but also about chronological context -- the context-in-time, the historical context in which each document was written. Words have their meaning within their temporal contexts, in the New Testament and the Bible as a whole.

Seeing and reading the New Testament in chronological sequence matters for historical reasons. It illuminates Christian origins. Much becomes apparent:

  • Beginning with seven of Paul's letters illustrates that there were vibrant Christian communities spread throughout the Roman Empire before there were written Gospels. His letters provide a "window" into the life of very early Christian communities.
  • Placing the Gospels after Paul makes it clear that as written documents they are not the source of early Christianity but its product. The Gospel -- the good news -- of and about Jesus existed before the Gospels. They are the products of early Christian communities several decades after Jesus' historical life and tell us how those communities saw his significance in their historical context.
  • Reading the Gospels in chronological order beginning with Mark demonstrates that early Christian understandings of Jesus and his significance developed. As Matthew and Luke used Mark as a source, they not only added to Mark but often modified Mark.
  • Seeing John separated from the other Gospels and relatively late in the New Testament makes it clear how different his Gospel is. In consistently metaphorical and symbolic language, it is primarily "witness" or "testimony" to what Jesus had become in the life and thought of John's community.
  • Realizing that many of the documents are from the late first and early second centuries allows us to glimpse developments in early Christianity in its third and fourth generations. In general, they reflect a trajectory that moves from the radicalism of Jesus and Paul to increasing accommodation with the cultural conventions of the time.

Awareness of the above matters not just for historical reasons but also for Christian reasons. American Christianity today is deeply divided. At the heart of the division, especially among Protestants, is two very different ways of seeing the Bible and the New Testament. About half of American Protestants belong to churches that teach that the Bible is the inerrant "Word of God" and "inspired by God."

The key word is "inerrant." Christians from antiquity onward have affirmed that the Bible is "the Word of God" and "inspired" without thinking of it is inerrant. Biblical inerrancy is an innovation of the last few centuries, becoming widespread in American Protestantism beginning only a hundred years ago. It is affirmed mostly in "independent" Protestant churches, those not part of "mainline" Protestant denominations. Catholics have never proclaimed the inerrancy or infallibility of the Bible, even as many have not been taught much about the Bible.

Biblical inerrancy is almost always combined with the literal and absolute interpretation of the Bible. If it says something happened, it happened. If the Bible says something is wrong, it is wrong.

For Christians who see the Bible this way, whatever Paul wrote to his communities in the first century is absolutely true for all time. For them, whatever the Gospels report that Jesus said and did really was said and done by him. So also the stories of the beginning and end of his life are literally and factually true: he was conceived in a virgin without a human father, his tomb really was empty even though it was guarded by Roman soldiers, and his followers saw him raised in physical bodily form.

These Christians are unlikely to embrace a chronological New Testament. It would not only change the way the see the Bible and the New Testament, but also make them suspect and probably unwelcome in the Christian communities to which they belong.

There are also many Christians, as well as many who have left the church, for whom the inerrancy of the Bible and its literal and absolute interpretation are unpersuasive, incredible, impossible to believe. For these Christians, as well as others interested in the origins of Christianity, a chronological New Testament, I trust, can be interesting, helpful and illuminating.

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  • 1 Thessalonians

    "The first document in this chronological New Testament is Paul's letter to a Christ-community in Thessalonica, the capital city of Macedonia, a province in northern Greece. It was written around the year 50, possibly a year or two earlier. Somewhat surprisingly, given the movement's origin among Jews in the Jewish homeland, the earliest Christian document is written to a community in Europe, which was largely Gentile." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Galatians

    "Whether this letter should be second in a chronological New Testament is a toss-up. The other serious candidate is Paul's first letter to Corinth, customarily dated around 54. Because some scholars date Galatians as early as 50 and many others in the first half of the 50s, I have decided to put it before 1 Corinthians." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 1 Corinthians

    "First Corinthians is the second longest of Paul's letters. Only Romans is longer, and thus this letter comes right after Romans in the canonical New Testament. But in this chronological New Testament, it comes after 1 Thessalonians and Galatians. According to Acts, Paul created a Christ-community in Corinth in southern Greece around the year 50." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Philemon

    "In the canonical New Testament, Philemon is the last of the 13 letters attributed to Paul because it is the shortest, only 25 verses long, so brief it is not even divided into chapters. But in this chronological New Testament, it comes early, in the middle of the seven letters universally accepted as by Paul himself. Philemon is one of Paul's 'prison letters. From details in the letter, we know that it was a Roman prison. Some scholars think it was in the city of Rome and thus date Philemon to Paul's imprisonment there in the early 60s. But there were Roman prisons throughout the empire, especially in provincial capitals such as Ephesus in Asia Minor. A majority think these two letters were written during an imprisonment in Ephesus in the mid-50s. Because they were written near each other in time, it is arbitrary to place one ahead of the other. For didactic rather than historical reasons, I have put Philemon before Philippians." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Philippians

    "Philippians is the most consistently affectionate of Paul's letters. Philippi was the capital of ancient Macedonia, in northern Greece. According to Acts 16, it was the first city in Europe in which Paul founded a Christ-community after leaving Asia Minor in the late 40s. We do not know if he had visited it in the years since, though it seems likely, given his visits to Macedonia. In any case, his relationship to the community seems to have been uncomplicated. The tone of the letter is not only affectionate, but filled with gratitude. It also contains important and extraordinary passages. Like Philemon, Philippians was written from a Roman prison, probably from the same imprisonment in Ephesus in the mid-50s. Unlike in the closing of Philemon, in which Paul writes that he hopes to be freed, in his letter he is uncertain about whether his imprisonment might end in execution." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 2 Corinthians

    "Second Corinthians is not a single letter, but a combination of at least three letters from Paul to the Christ-community in Corinth. Though there is consensus within modern scholarship about its composite character, there is no unanimity about the extent of each letter. The most common divisions are chapters 1-7, 8-9, and 10-13, though probably not in that sequence. The community in Corinth preserved these letters and later combined them into one letter as 2 Corinthians. That this letter combines several letters is important not only for reading and interpreting it, but also because it provides a vivid glimpse of Paul's continuing relationship to one of his communities. Recall that Paul founded the community in Corinth around the year 50 and spent a year or two there. Recall also that 1 Corinthians refers to a previous letter that he had written to the Corinthians and also to a letter he had received from them. Second Corinthians adds to this correspondence." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Romans

    "Paul's letter to the Christ-communities in Rome is distinctive in many ways. It is his longest letter. Only 1 Corinthians is a serious rival. It is the only letter he wrote to people he didn't know; Paul had never been to Rome. Unlike his other letters, it does not deal with highly specific issues like whether it's acceptable to eat meat sacrificed to idols, for women to prophesy with their heads uncovered, for male Gentile converts to remain uncircumcised, or for a Christian master to have a Christian slave. Except for a brief section near the end on 'weak' and 'strong' within the community, Romans has none of this specificity. It is probably his last letter. Though a small minority of scholars think that the 'prison letters' -- Philippians, Philemon and Colossians -- are later, most think Romans is the last of the universally agreed upon seven genuine letters of Paul. He wrote it from Corinth around the year 58, just before he began what became his final journey to Jerusalem, arrest, imprisonment, and eventual execution in Rome itself." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Mark

    "Around the year 70, an early Christian put the story of Jesus into written form for the first time. Though the location is uncertain, the best guess is a Christ-community near the northern border of Galilee in the Jewish homeland. We call the document 'Mark,' though it is not certain that somebody named 'Mark' wrote it. The gospel does not name the author; he did not write 'The Gospel According to Mark' at the top of the first page. So also the authors of Matthew, Luke, and John do not name themselves. Names were assigned only in the second century when the existence of several gospels required a way of distinguishing among them. Perhaps somebody named 'Mark' wrote the earliest gospel, and perhaps not. It really doesn't matter; its value doesn't depend upon who wrote it. But we will call him and his gospel 'Mark.' (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • James

    "The dating and authority of James are inextricably intertwined. The author identifies himself as 'James' (1.1). For centuries, Christian tradition took it for granted that the author was James, the brother of Jesus. According to Acts and Paul, James was the 'leader' or 'head' of the Christian community in Jerusalem. He was executed in the early 60s. If by this James, the letter must have been written before the early 60s, thus making it earlier than any of the gospels. Indeed, some scholars argue that it could have been written in the 40s or 50s, which could make it as early or even earlier than the letters of Paul -- perhaps the earliest document in the New Testament. But the majority of mainstream scholars do not think the author was the brother of Jesus. The author does not say so, but describes himself simply as 'James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.' Moreover, his use of Greek language and grammar is quite sophisticated -- not impossible for a brother of Jesus from the peasant class who native language was Aramaic, but at least somewhat unlikely. If the author was not the brother of Jesus, then its date becomes wide open. There is no scholarly consensus. Estimates range the 70s or 80s to as late as the early 100s. I have decided to place it in the 70s or 80s, later than Mark, but before Matthew, because much of James seems like early tradition." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Colossians

    "Colossians is almost certainly the earliest of the letters attributed to Paul but not actually written by him. Its strongest literary connections are to Ephesians, whose author most likely knew Colossians. Ephesians was most likely written no later than around the year 90, and thus Colossians must have been written earlier, probably in the 80s." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Matthew

    "Matthew was written a decade or two after Mark, in the 80s or perhaps early 90s. Along with John, it is one of two gospels named after a disciple of Jesus. According to 9.9, Matthew was a tax collector before Jesus called him to be a disciple. Mark and Luke tell the same story, but name the tax collector 'Levi.' They could be different names for the same person. The name Matthew also appears in all the lists of the 12 disciples in the gospels and Acts. For centuries, it has been taken for granted that this gospel was written by this Matthew, and thus by an eyewitness to the historical life of Jesus. And not just any eyewitness, but one of the inner circle of 12." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Hebrews

    "The document we know as 'the letter to the Hebrews' is exceptionally rich. Its central and best-known metaphor presents Jesus as the 'great high priest' who offers himself as the 'once for all' sacrifice. Its chapters on faith is one of the most famous in the New Testament. Its creative use of texts from the Jewish Bible, especially from Psalms and the prophets, is powerful. We do not know who wrote it. In the 200s, an early Christian theologian named Origen said that its author 'was known only to God.' In the centuries since, there have been guesses, Around the year 400, Augustine and Jerome suggested it was written by Paul, and thus it has sometimes been called the 14th letter of Paul. But there is no reason to think Paul wrote it, and many reasons to think he did not. Other guesses have included Barnabas, Apollos, and Priscilla. None is persuasive, and modern scholarship agrees with Origen: God only knows who wrote it." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • John

    "Mainline scholars commonly date John around the year 90. Most also think that John has earlier and later layers. The clearest example is that the gospel seems to end twice -- once at the end of chapter 20 and again at the end of chapter 21. The most plausible explanation is that John 21 was added to a 'first edition' that ended with John 20. Scholars have also argued that the author may have had what is commonly called a 'signs source.' Despite uncertainty about what might be earlier and what is likely later, there is a strong consensus that the form in which we have John came from the decade of the 90s. It tells us how Jesus was spoken of in a Christian community near the end of the first century. It does not tell us very much about how Jesus himself spoke." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Ephesians

    "Like Colossians, Ephesians is one of the 'disputed' letters of Paul. A minority of modern scholars argue that it was written by Paul, but a majority have concluded that it was written by a generation or so after Paul's death. Though it has the typical forms of a Pauline letter and echoes some important themes from the seven genuine letters of Paul, it also differs in a number of ways. The framework for dating it is created by its close parallels to parts of Colossians that indicate that Colossians is earlier; and it seems to have been known by the Christian author Ignatius around the year 100. The suggests a date around 90." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Revelation

    "Because Revelation refers to persecution, it has been commonly dated either in the mid to late 60s, shortly after Nero's persecution, or in the mid-90s near the end of the reign of the emperor Dormitian (c. 96 CE). But Nero's persecution of Christians was confined to the city of Rome and did not affect Asia Minor, and the historical evidence for official Roman persecution under Dormitian is very weak. Moreover, the document itself does not indicate that large-scale persecution was already under way. The letter to Smyrna warns that suffering is imminent, but has not yet begun: "Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death" (2.10). The letter to Pergamum names one Christian who has already been killed (2.13). One of the visions refers to 'those who had been slaughtered for the word of God and for the testimony they had given' and to future persecution of 'their brothers and sisters, who were soon to be killed' (6.9-11). But the massive persecution of which it warns is still future from its point in time. Thus most contemporary scholars affirm that the persecutions in Revelation were unofficial, local, sporadic, and not official Roman persecution. With the link to Roman persecution severed, the primary reason for dating it in the 60s or the 90s is gone. Along with most scholars, I date it no earlier than the 90s, in part because its criticism of Christians in the seven communities sounds as though it is directed to second- or third- generation followers of Jesus who have begun to accommodate to the norms and values of the dominant culture. But it is also possible that it was written in the early decades of the second century." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Jude

    "Jude is perhaps the strangest document in the New Testament. It is one of the shortest, about a page long,and is the most enigmatic. Its authorship, the community to which it was addressed, and its date involve more 'guesswork' than any other document. The author identifies himself as 'Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James' (v.1). Jude (Judas) was a common name in New Testament times. According to Mark 6.3, one of Jesus's brothers was named Jude. Because the author of this letter also identifies himself as 'brother of James,' another brother of Jesus and leader of the Christ-community in Jerusalem, it was taken for granted until recently that the author was also a brother of Jesus. If so, that would make Jude one of the earliest documents in the New Testament. But modern mainline scholars have concluded that it was written much later. The precision is impossible, most date it around 100. It contains nothing that suggests the location of either the author or its recipients." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 1 John, 2 John and 3 John

    'Three letters are attributed to 'John' in the New Testament. The first is the most substantial and important. Five chapters long, it emphasizes love as much as any document in the New Testament. The other two are less than a page long and are among the shortest documents in Christian scripture. Dating these letters is difficult. There is a consensus that they are later than the gospel of John, most likely written around 100. But there is no way of knowing whether all were written at about the same time or whether they might be separated by a decade or more. I have decided to keep them together without any particularly good reason to do so, just as there is no particularly good reason to do so, just as there is no particularly good reason to separate them chronologically." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 2 John

    As mentioned in the previous slide, this letter was most likely written around 100.

  • 3 John

    As mentioned in the previous slide, this letter was most likely written around 100.

  • Luke

    "The gospel of Luke and Acts of the Apostles belong together. For about a century, the conventional wisdom of mainline scholarship has dated Luke and Acts to the late 80s or 90s. But in the last decade, a growing number of scholars have dated them significantly later, in the first decade or two of the second century. Thus there is no consensus about their dating, though probably at least a slight majority still favor the 80s to 90s. They see Luke, like Matthew, as written a decade or two after Mark and thus as a voice from a generation or so later. In this view, there is no compelling reason to date Matthew earlier than Luke or vice versa. Thus Luke and Acts would belong in the first half of the New Testament chronologically -- not long after Mark, roughly contemporary with Matthew, and before John, Revelation, and several letters. Dating them later, as I do, is the exception to the rule that I have sought to follow, which is to reflect consensus conclusion when possible, and, when there is no consensus, to follow majority opinion. The growing movement to date Luke and Acts in the early second century has more than one foundation. Some scholars argue that the author knew passages from the works of Josephus, a Jewish historian who wrote in the 90s, thus making Luke-Acts later than that. Though the evidence that the author dd know the writings of Josephus is not completely persuasive, there is another reason for a date a decade or two later than Matthew, namely, both Luke and Acts emphasize the constant rejection of Jesus by 'the Jews.'" (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Acts

    As mentioned in the previous slide, this letter is dated to the first decade or two of the second century.

  • 2 Thessalonians

    "Paul's first letter to the Christ-community in Thessalonica in northern Greece is the earliest document in the New Testament, but 2 Thessalonians is one of the disputed letters of Paul. The majority of mainstream scholars do not think it was written by Paul, but by someone writing in his name some three to four decades after his martyrdom in the 60s." (Pg. 547) (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 1 Peter

    Two letters in the New Testament are attributed to Peter, the most important of Jesus' male disciples, who was executed in Rome around the year 64. But the majority of mainstream scholars do not think that either one was written by Peter. The letters reflect a later historical context. Moreover, they were not written by the same person. Second Peter is significantly later than 1 Peter. There is no unanimity about [1 Peter's] date. Some mainline scholars date it to around 90 or as early as 80s. The reason is that some think that the author of 1 Clement, an early Christian letter not in the New Testament but dated by some to around the year 96, knew of 1 Peter. If so, 95 or so is the latest possible date for 1 Peter. But is is not clear that 1 Clement was written that early. Moreover, because both 1 Clement and 1 Peter were most likely written in Rome, their authors might well have known each other. Given that, similarity of language need not mean literary dependence. Some of its themes, especially its endorsement of Roman authority and imperial conventions about slavery, suggest a date early in the second century." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 1 Timothy

    "In the canonical New Testament, 1 Timothy is the first of three letters known as the 'pastoral letters' or 'pastoral epistles.' The other two are 2 Timothy and Titus. They are called 'pastoral' in part because they are addressed to two early Christian 'pastors,' Timothy and Titus. 'Pastor' did not yet refer to an official institutional role, but had its ancient meaning of shepherd, leader of the flock. Their themes are also pastoral, providing practical advice for ordering the community's life. Though all three letters claim to be written by Paul, most modern scholars see them as written long after his death in the first decades of the second century. There is a consensus that they were all written by teh same person. But was that person Paul? For more than one reason, authorship by Paul has been rejected." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • 2 Timothy

    As mentioned in the previous slide, along with 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy was composed in the first decades of the second century. (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

  • Titus

    As mentioned in previous slides, along with 1 Timothy and 2 Timothy, it this letter is believed to have been composed in the first decades of the second century.

  • 2 Peter

    "There is a strong scholarly consensus that 2 Peter is the last New Testament document to be written. Some date it as late as 150, and most date it between 120 and 150. Among the reasons for its late dating are its references to 1 Peter (3.1), its mention of the letters of Paul (3.15-16), and its use of phrases from the letter of Jude. In addition, it offers an explanation for the delay of the second coming of Jesus (3.3-10)." (Evolution of the Word: The New Testament in the Order the Books Were Written)

 
 
 
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05:45 AM on 09/30/2012
There is a reason they are in that order. The four aspects of the nature of man.
Matthew-body
Mark-mind-intellect
Luke-soul-emotion
John-Spirit
Just like the four horseemen and the four beasts round the throne.
11:04 PM on 09/19/2012
So false to say that not many Catholics are taught much about the Bible. Catholic schools are so into things like that. Mass? Hmm, I could see it there. Most of people who attend Mass probably do not attend the deeper Bible studies afterwards.
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03:23 AM on 09/25/2012
There are generally 4 readings from the Bible at every Mass.
01:36 AM on 09/14/2012
Marcus Borg and other modern scholars (such as those of the Jesus Seminar) conveniently overlook the testimony of Church patriarchs - closer to the scene of the action - who consistently describe Matthew rather than Mark as the first gospel. Papias and Irenaeus of the second century together with Origen of the third century all describe Matthew as the first gospel to be written. The scholarship is suspect when driven by preconceptions rather than clear documentary evidence.
http://www.jesustheheresy.com/mattprophecy.html
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07:25 PM on 09/16/2012
I think the scholarly consensus about Mark's earlier authorship is a little more widespread than Borg and the Jesus Seminary. And the Church patriarchs have been known to be factually wrong before.
01:15 AM on 09/17/2012
Agreed, but much of the scholarly consensus also seems to be based on a hypothetical Q manuscript, the existence of which is just that ... hypothetical. Like others, the patriarchs can be factually wrong and have their own biases. But I have yet to see factual evidence adequate to contravene these early witnesses.
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12:37 AM on 09/14/2012
How can anybody speak of Chronology in the Bible when;

1) It is a random amalgam of several books of dubious origin to begin with and has no intrinsic chronology in it at all. After all, please tell me how many pages of the Bible have corroborated calendar dates in them? The answer is, not one.
2) How does anybody know what a Jesus the Christ may have really said since he never took a diary and that most of what is written of him was written 60 to 70 years after his death? Bart Erhman demonstrates that what we have of the original scriptures are nothing but copies of copies of yet other copies, full of mistakes and intentional changes.
3) When Jesus is in Gethsemane, all of his disciples are asleep when he speaks to his heavenly father; who took note? When he is alone with the adulteress woman, who takes notes? No one knows what he said then, so why would we believe the writings of a John, Matthew, Luke? Besides, what credentials did these faceless, unknown writers have anyway? There is no corroboration.
01:00 PM on 09/14/2012
I believe these are all great questions, but for one who believes, this ignores the Power of the Holy Spirit in being the driving force of the early church. It was and still is the Power of the Holy Spirit that moves a man/woman to believe in the work of Jesus Christ. He (Holy Spirit) is also responsible for the scriptures' inspiration. For the believer, this is why we regard the Bible as His Holy Word. So when one comes to repentance by faith, many of these great questions are reconciled in understanding the sovereignty of His Holy Spirit. Grace & Peace!
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02:04 AM on 09/15/2012
Dear Luis, 

I
respect and understand your point of view. Personally, I would rather avoid the
term “believer”. A Christian is a non-believer to a Muslim and visa-versa so
let’s call a spade a spade. There is an abyss between Belief and Religion (another
story).

The
god of most scriptural religions connected to the Mosaic Laws is polynomial;
Jehovah, Allah, Yahweh, Lord, Father, Holy Spirit, Jesus, etc. all rolled into
one. It makes no sense to me. All religions speak of “god” but all proclaim him
to be different from all the rest. If you do not ground your beliefs in reason
and evidence then any claim of objective truth you make is logically
indistinguishable from any other.

But,
let’s stick with the term and concept of Holy Spirit. To say that this spirit is
responsible for the scriptures' inspiration does not answer the question of
how; supernatural phenomena? Not admissible evidence of any kind.  

The
Christian regards the Bible as the Holy Word of his god, but then so does the
Muslim the Quran and the Jew the Torah. How and why did the same god inspire
such different “words”?

And
most of all, without any evidence for such “supernatural inspiration”, how much
of these “words” are exact, complete or even absolute? Are they then 90%, 80%,
70% or just 1% accurate? Where do you draw the line?

Finally,
why this notion of repentance as a condition for faith and a condition for god’s
love?
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04:54 PM on 09/12/2012
Interesting read.

It is worth noting that the Apostles and prophets did not consider they were collectively writing a Bible, to be composed later as "the book of books."

Also, I think the gospels are just that, the gospels (good news of a coming kingdom), and the new testament starts with the book of Acts.
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02:02 PM on 10/11/2012
in 1 Peter, Peter calls Paul's writing scripture. They knew what they were doing. The kingdom has already showed up in the king, the Lord Jesus. That is why the New Testament does not begin with Acts.
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Claude Hosch
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06:45 PM on 10/11/2012
Quite true, evidenced by Lk.22:20, in which Jesus said: "This cup is the 'new testament' in my blood ..."
12:54 AM on 09/10/2012
Paul did not meet Jesus (unless you count his brief vision on the road to Damascus) and, as both he and Luke attest, Paul had little regard for and even quarreled with the eleven original apostles. Paul mentions not one thing Jesus said, and refers to only three things in Jesus life (his birth, death and resurrection) which Paul treats as spiritual types. It would appear that Paul either cared little about how much his followers knew about Jesus, or else Paul himself knew very little of Jesus as portrayed later in the gospels. In fact Paul's writings owe far more to the Greek mystery religions of the day then they do to anything Jesus did or said.
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06:00 PM on 09/10/2012
Very good! :)

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10:46 AM on 09/11/2012
If you took all of Pauls writing out of the New Testament, the four Gospels can still stand on their own. If you are too skeptic to keep Luke and Mathew then John is the best first hand source, Mark follows. Not to mention the writings of Peter, James, and John who were the closest to Jesus are testimonies of the life of Jesus. Paul proclaims himself to be a Jewish pharisee, it would be strange that you would find his writings to be of Greek mystery when he continually quotes the old testament.
03:02 AM on 09/12/2012
Paul's background was that of a Pharisee so he knew the Old Testament very well and naturally refers to it. The question is why did Paul not once refer to anything that Jesus said or did. He was writing to Gentiles far from Palestine in what is now Syria, Turkey and Italy. These people had never heard of Jesus before Paul arrived and they could not turn to the New Testament because it didn't exist. Paul was their sole source for learning about Jesus so why did Paul seemingly have so much to say about the Old Testament and so little about Jesus?
03:50 PM on 09/29/2012
I wouldn't have John closes to the source since it was, according to most scholars, written by the Johannian community some time after his death. It is their memories of what he taught. So it would also be considered a second hand source.
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12:31 AM on 09/08/2012
Is there or will there be a Chronological Old Testament as well? I think that would be cool!
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10:54 AM on 09/08/2012
It's pretty close to chronological as is. Much closer than the NT.
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10:47 AM on 09/11/2012
There is, you could find it online. The typical OT is grouped by type of literature.
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12:16 PM on 09/07/2012
"Biblical inerrancy is an innovation of the last few centuries, becoming widespread in American Protestantism beginning only a hundred years ago."

Having read a lot of ancient and medieval Latin, I'm extremely skeptical of this fashionable assertion. Despite Augustine having said that certain parts of Genesis were not meant to be taken literally.
04:29 PM on 10/26/2012
Monkey....can you post something from ancient and medieval latin writings that states the OT and NT are the word of God and should be taken literally, word for word?
ClarityOfThought
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07:24 PM on 09/06/2012
Its interesting that the original last passages of the NT (at the end of Revelation) say that you cant add or take away from that record. And many paerhaps less-informed Christians have taken that to mean that the Bible is complete, and nothgin can be changed.

However now we see John put far later, and the interesting closing passages of his work, which state that if a full account were given, then world itself couldnt hold the books. So maybe there's still a lot to be added to the Bible. Why would God stop calling prophets and having them write scripture 2,000 years ago? Just a thought.

(and cue the flames in 5... 4... 3... 2...1... )
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01:49 PM on 09/11/2012
When Revelation was written the Bible (as a collection) didn't exist, so clearly it could not be referring to the Bible but just itself.
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07:41 PM on 09/16/2012
Since the passage in question is written in reference to Deuteronomic codes, it would be better to understand the reference not only to the text of Revelation, but to the broader content of the evangelical proclamation as the establishment of a second covenant in parallel to the first.
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04:04 PM on 09/05/2012
Changing the order of the books in the bible would not change the fact that Christ was crucified, and conquered death, for our sins.
09:52 AM on 09/06/2012
Minor note, in your micro-bio you've transposed the 'i' and 'e' in 'atheists'.

Also, to keep this relevant, you have a good point; believers don't take the message as God's truth because of the biblical order. In a way, Borg's argument, while an interesting look at the tome's origins, is among the last arguments one could use to dissuade a believer from his or her creed.
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bryanzth
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02:20 AM on 09/11/2012
How does a human body once dead, become alive?

Think very hard and consider that a body dead for a day and a half no longer has any of the means to life, due to putrefaction, cellular breakdown and colonization by bacteria.

BZ.
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10:48 AM on 09/11/2012
That is why it is a miracle.
10:04 AM on 09/05/2012
A great article that should be passed out in pews on Sunday in every fundamentalist church.

Placing the books in chronological order highlights the time lapse between the events depicted and their later recording. Considering the difference in lifespan from now to then, it would seem most accounts of Jesus' actions weren't recorded until a full generation after the fact!

This begs the question, if the books aren't contemporary or literal, innerrent accounts of Jesus and his actions/miracles/sayings/etc, how do we know Jesus wasn't a composite character? Or that he wasn't simply a great philosopher who had the messianic hopes of Judean activists paint him as God incarnate?

I mean, taking your dating method. Let's say Jesus was born on 0 A.D. +/- 4 years. He lived to be mid 30's if I remember correctly, so a death date, let's say between 30 and 40 AD. If the first gospel was written in 70 AD, we have between a 30 and 40 year gap between the events and their record. Now place this behind the veil of rationale critque and the miraculous occurences look and sound similar to the savior myths of dozens of cultures in the same area.

So why this one? Btw, serious question and I'm earnestly trying to understand how people come to this decision when looking at both the history and plurality of similar faiths in the area.
09:09 AM on 09/06/2012
"IF the first gospel was written in AD 70..." That's one huge assumption right there. Tradition has it that they came earlier and there is no solid proof to the contrary. And even if they were as late as is being speculated, the material common to the synoptics suggest that there might have been an even earlier source used by all the gospel writers...which I personally believe to be notes taken of the teaching and discourses of Jesus by a literate disciple.
11:31 AM on 09/06/2012
I know it's a big if. I'm using the article author's reasoning to drive at a larger point.
 
And you've turned the normal logical order on its head. If you're making the claim that the gospels were written by contemporaries, then it is up to the person making the claim to provide the proof. Mr. Borg has cited what he believes to be adequate evidence of their date of creation.
 
As for the earliest gospel version, I assume you're referring to the document called 'Q'? I don't know too much about it. If memory serves, aspects of it were deemed heretical by early church leaders. Something about promoting gnosticism? I might be completely off base about this last section, it's knowledge that's floating around my brain that wants to align itself with this story haha
 
But the larger point of my original comment still stands: why believe anyone from 2000 years ago who claimed to see some miracles, when the only source for these claims is almost certainly NOT a primary source? Its the divinity in Christianity that's the hard sell for me. Plenty of faiths of similar stripes and influence existed in the same area. Christianity was simply marketed better to the lower classes and eventually men like Justinian.
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11:33 AM on 09/06/2012
"which I personally believe to be notes taken of the teaching and discourses of Jesus by a literate disciple" On what basis do you believe this?
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10:05 AM on 09/14/2012
2 points - Try to read Erhman's latest book which pretty well shows that " the savior myths of dozens of cultures in the same area" didn't exist.
And the reliablity of a 40 year gap before something is written down is not strong proof one way or another that the stories told were not accurately passed on.(I'm not saying they are accurate just that they are accurate to what was being told 40 yeas earlier). My mother told me stories, told to her by an old lady when she was a child, about her g-g-g-g-g grandfather during the Revolution. I've been able to research this man and most of the stories are verifiable from diaries and official records.After this experience I've been hesitant to discount the value of spoken memories.
12:44 PM on 09/14/2012
I'll track down stuff on the book, but I'm doubtful going in. Stories like about heroes such as Gilgamesh and Osiris are open, sourced, and very similar to the later Jesus story. But still, I'll check it out.
And as far as stories of your great great etc grandfather, did your grandmother tell you that he rose from the dead? Cured blindness with his touch? Turned water into wine? If the Bible stories recounted the philosophy of Jesus and the moral platitudes instead of the divine miracles and claims to godhood, I wouldn't have an issue. But since it does, you have to wonder, which is more likely: that the laws of nature suspended themselves to accommodate supernatural will, or that whoever told you this story is either lying, was deceived by whomever told them, or misunderstood what they saw?
I mean the Bhagavad Gita recounts the miracles of a god made flesh that were witness by thousands of devout Indians. Why does that not cause you to think Hinduism is correct?
01:59 AM on 09/05/2012
Acts 2:38 there is only one god
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07:46 PM on 09/07/2012
Actually, there are thousands...

Here are the top ones:
http://www.20000-names.com/god_names.htm
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bryanzth
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02:24 AM on 09/11/2012
There is only one Creator (if exist) of the Universes - by definition.

There are thousands or zillions of "sky gods". Which one do you worship?

BZ.
05:30 PM on 09/04/2012
The comments below which illustrate the tremendous conflict of opinions about Christianity reveal the crucial need for understanding Christianity -- because opinions at the extremes of both sides of the argument are wrong.

On one extreme, the biblical literalists on the "Fundamentalist Christian Right" are wrong, but so are the the skeptics and critics on the other extreme who claim that Jesus of Nazareth was not a divinely inspired teacher and a martyr who proved his faith.

Read the real scoop About Chritianity at http://messenger.cjcmp.org/christianity.html.
06:53 PM on 09/13/2012
LOL! So all fundamentalist Christians are wrong, and therefore the bible is in error; says you. Oh and tell us how Jesus proved his faith; and do you mean he, as a person had faith or that he proved he was the son of god and prime member of the only true faith?
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02:07 PM on 09/04/2012
Hi Prof. Borg

I would like if you could include the apocryphal books in your timeline. And also tell if it is true that the Catholic Bishops in 4th Century really did put all the documents under the table and then have some kind of magical process to decide what to include in the Bible?
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06:05 PM on 09/10/2012
Not only that, but in a time line showing potential derivations.

I have seen such charts for Q, Thomas the Twin, the four gospels, paul (as a single point) and so on in Bertram Mack's treatise on Q, the Lost Gospel. This is new to me, and I like it very much. Especially the notion that Luke could come so late!

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11:21 AM on 09/11/2012
The Gnostic gospels. which many agree are written 400 years after the fact, are in contradiction to the earlier gospels and are not regarded as true accounts. Catholic bishops in the counsel of Nicea (which is what i assume you are referring to) were not deciding which books were to be put in the bible. The church has already been using the bible for 300 years, ( the counsel was held in 325AD ) the counsel was formed for many reasons. Just to note, the doctrine of the Trinity did not come from this counsel, the word Trinity was first used by an early church father in his writings in 125 AD and Paul quotes an early church hymn which clearly indicated a Trinitarian Doctrine.
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12:24 PM on 09/11/2012
so the council didn't decide to put the new and old testatments together?
01:10 AM on 10/27/2012
Not true Dave. The Gnostic Gospels were around before Nicea. They were hidden in Egypt and were discovered fairly recently. Likely they were hidden because the church wanted to get rid of them all as an edict from Nicea.
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01:08 PM on 09/04/2012
Interesting take on it all.

Is the OT thought to be in chronological order?
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11:22 AM on 09/11/2012
Yes and No. It is generally ordered by the type of literature.