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Mark Axelrod

Posted: May 21, 2010 01:46 PM

Rand Paul and the Discourse of Degenerative Myopia

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Regardless of what David Weigel writes in "Rand Paul, Telling the Truth" about Rand Paul not being a "racist," one really needs to deconstruct Rand's discourse, especially in the interview with Rachel Maddow which, if he proved anything to me, he proved he was less a racist and more a functional illiterate. I admire the fact that Weigel could actually separate the Randian philosophy from the non-sequiturs in Rand's ramblings especially when he started to digress historically about William Lloyd Garrison as a way of circumventing Maddow's yes or no question: "Was the Courier-Journal right? Do you believe that private business people should be able to decide whether they want to serve black people or gays or any other minority group, as they said?"

Maddow's question was about as clear a question as Maddow could ask so why the equivocation, if not the painfully embarrassing digression? He might as well have answered why Louisville Sluggers are made in Louisville. Besides the fact that he started no fewer than 10 sentences with the word "Well" his repetition of the word "racism" (repeated no fewer than 8 times) or "discrimination" (repeated no fewer than 7 times) was always related to a particular kind of racism or discrimination: namely, governmental racism or institutional racism. Though he kept repeating his mantra of being against racism he could never articulate a solid argument as to why. If, as Weigel suggests, Paul has a philosophical issue with it, then he certainly didn't make it clear to anyone. At least to me. I've had an easier time reading Hegel in German than listening to Paul in English. He made it abundantly clear that he's against any kind of racism or discrimination perpetuated by the federal government. As he said, "In the totality of it, I'm in favor of the federal government being involved in civil rights and that's, you know, mostly what the Civil Rights Act was about. And that was ending institutional racism."

To Maddow's equally articulate question:"In terms of legal remedies for persistent discrimination, though, if there was a private business, say, in Louisville, say, somewhere in your home state, that wanted to not serve black patrons and wanted to not serve gay patrons, or somebody else on the basis of their -- on the basis of a characteristic that they decided they didn't like as a private business owner -- would you think they had a legal right to do so, to put up a "blacks not served here" sign?" Paul answered: "Well, the interesting thing is, you know, you look back to the 1950s and 1960s at the problems we faced. There were incredible problems. You know, the problems had to do with mostly voting, they had to do with schools, they had to do with public housing. And so, this is what the civil rights largely addressed, and all things that I largely agree with."

Which begs the question: What in the hell is he talking about? Is this what change is all about from the far right? Can the Teabaggers actually deconstruct what Rand is saying? The question I really wanted Maddow to ask was: "So, when then-Cassius Clay returned from the Tokyo Olympics with a gold medal do you think it was justified for the restaurant owner to kick him out of his restaurant?" I'm sure Paul would have replied (as he did to all the other questions) by prevaricating or digressing on whatever he felt he could digress on rather than answer the question. I can't begin to highlight the number of feeble attempts Rand made to substantiate an argument that Weigel wrote about as "fascinating to watch Paul stand by his philosophical and legal stance and refuse to dissemble in a way that would, you know, get people to stop accusing him of some archaic form of racism." With all due respect to Weigel, I have no clue as to how he understood Rand's philosophical stance since if it weren't for rhetorical nonsense there wouldn't be any rhetoric at all. Perhaps, that's what made is fascinating. And why the digression to "freedom of speech?" Does barring the then-Cassius Clay from sitting down and ordering a hamburger an infringement on that restaurant owner's freedom of speech? Rand may, in fact, not be a racist and I'm not accusing him of that. What I am accusing him of is an inability to articulate in any meaningful way how he can justify racial exclusion by private enterprise. His statement that if her were old enough he would have been marching with Martin Luther King must have made anyone listening who did march with King, shudder at that thought. I think one of the most ironic things about the interview was the fact that Paul, an opthamologist, just couldn't see where Maddow was coming from. More important, I'm not sure he can see where he's going.

 
Regardless of what David Weigel writes in "Rand Paul, Telling the Truth" about Rand Paul not being a "racist," one really needs to deconstruct Rand's discourse, especially in the interview with Rachel...
Regardless of what David Weigel writes in "Rand Paul, Telling the Truth" about Rand Paul not being a "racist," one really needs to deconstruct Rand's discourse, especially in the interview with Rachel...
 
 
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GrumpyGrandpa
A '60's liberal who didn't sell out
10:11 AM on 05/24/2010
While the professor's premise, that Rand Paul is functionally illiterate may be a valid point, it only serves to mitigate his reason for refusing to answer the question directly and doing the racist two-step around the answer about as well as I have ever seen it done. I expected at any moment to here the plaintive excuse of every racist two-stepper: "Some of my best friends are Black, Gay, Hispanic, Female, ...(supply your own immutable characteristic).
Otherwise, they would know that the Constitution contains a clause granting Congress the exclusive right to "regulate the commerce between the states. And that the same Constitution contains a clause setting up a Supreme Court which has repeatedly interpreted that clause to mean any trade "...that affects interstate commerce."
Furthermore, they would know that the portion of the Civil Rights Act that deals with desegregating the restaurants and motels (and The Americans with Disabilities Act and The Fair Housing Act) of their OH SO SACRED AND HOLY SMALL BUSINESS MAN was based upon the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. Which is why it has withstood constitutional challenges from ignorant Attorneys General who have never read the Constitution and deeper that Rand Paul has.
Sorry, professor, but Rand Paul is a racist. Period.
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Brian Ross
Managing Editor of Truth-2-Power.com
07:55 AM on 05/22/2010
I disagree. He articulated his point of view too clearly. People like the Doctors Paul invalidate the role of government in every aspect of daily life. Their solutions are utopian antisocialsm, which is as deluded as utopian socialist dogmas like Communism. Paul figures that if racism is repugnant, people who do not endorse it will avoid eating at the joint that kicked out Clay, and that the free market will put the restaurant out of business. Theoretically possible and rhetorically nice prose, but lacking any understanding of the underlying social structures of human society that include very primal and irrational fears, and the real problem that not everyone is that smart. Humans group into organizations to quell fear (religion, politics, philosophy) to gain greater comforts (food, material wealth), and to impose manufactured order over a chaotic world.

Strict Libertarians live in the same fantasy world that other failed social utopians from Marx to Hitler to Mao to Pol Pot have lived in. Their philosophies are clear, and logical. Their only flaws are in failing to understand the flawed human beings who live at variance with their dogmas.

My two: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-ross/with-friends-like-rand-pa_b_584665.html#comments
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SirReal1
02:38 AM on 05/23/2010
Agreed!

Paul may not be a racist, I think the jury is still out on that, but he is definitely locked into the Utopian dogma of his father. A dogma that just won't hunt.

Point in fact: Ask 100 people how they feel about the amount of U.S. debt that China holds the note on and they'll inevitably tell you that they don't like it and think we should do everything we can to reduce it.

Ask the same 100 people what they think of the products that are made in China and sold in U.S. stores, and at least 90 of them will tell you that "it's all cheap junk and we shouldn't be buying it".

Go through their homes and you would find a virtual mountain of "Made in China" items.

Ask them if they understand the connection between their consumption of products "made in China" and the amount of debt that China holds, and they would do their "deer in the headlights" imitation.

The "Free Market" is a great concept, but it does not exist in reality. The idea that the "Free Market" would be a "great arbitrator" of any "social ill" is delusional at best.
07:45 AM on 05/22/2010
He's counterfeit!

Whatever it is he's trying to be, he's counterfeit!
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Julio Penaloza
04:10 AM on 05/22/2010
Paul's position is that he personally finds racism to be objectionable, but does not believe the government has a right to force private businesses to discriminate. This is largely because he believes corporations have all the rights of a person, like free speech, while not having any of the social responsibilities that come with being a person.

To me, he epitomizes the Clintonian definition of compassionate conservatism, "I'd like to help you, I really would, but I just can't."
09:17 PM on 05/21/2010
The problem isn't with Rand Paul so much, it's with libertarianism itself. Libertarianism is all well-and-good when you're sitting around discussing things with your buddies, but when anyone actually tries to implement it in real-world situation it becomes clearly ridiculous. Maddow was simply asking Paul to apply real-world circumstances to his flighty libertarian theories. That's all one need do to show how it simply cannot work in any real way.
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MamaBird62
09:11 PM on 05/21/2010
My son's driving instructor said "there are no accidents. There are only driver mistakes."
He's right.
08:25 PM on 05/21/2010
On the subject of questions to be asked and hopefully answered by MSM:
1. Did Rand get any scholarship money and/or government funds of any kind during his educational efforts?
2. What schools did he attend: from grade school through medical school?
3. Does/did Rand get any government payments at his medical practice?
4. Does his philosophy of limited government mean that he is o.k. with anyone just setting up shop and trying their hand at competing with him in his chosen medical field?
Inquiring Bubba's want to know.
04:42 AM on 05/23/2010
1. No. Like all Ron Paul's kids, he refused government funds and loans through university.
2. dunno
3. Yes, but he would get even more money if the government was not interfering with healthcare. This criticism is exactly like Bush asking you 'did you support the war? Then how come you're enjoying this country's securtity?'
4. I'm sure he would be ok with that, and will compete based on his ability to persuade people that they want a trained and qualified opthalmologist.
09:22 AM on 05/23/2010
I sort of liked Mr. Paul because he unseated a hand picked party hack, that goes a long way with me. But now he has played the coward by backing out of MTP and if he can not defend his own ideological "purity" and the difference it would make in this country and how it should and would be implemented if he won the election, then he has no business in politics. He has no need to persuade his loyal followers and can not persuade his ranting critics but must use every venue possible to persuade sympathizers and "fence straddlers". The Tea Partiers are no cowards and they will not tolerate either a coward or a sell out to the R party bosses in their group. What a mistake on his part for listening to big shot R's--they are no better than big shot D's and in some cases much worse.
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tommy b
Yeh though I walk thru the valley of Death I fear
07:37 PM on 05/21/2010
The problem is accident do happen But mismanagement short cuts poor supervision for the sake of profits are not accidents. This guy really scares me
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
06:39 PM on 05/21/2010
Dan Quayle reborn.
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peacegurl48
06:00 PM on 05/21/2010
He is every bit as articulate as Palin! Lost of sound and fury with very little substance
03:51 PM on 05/21/2010
Rand Paul didn't answer the question because his answer would have been too contraversial. His answer? Federal government should not be making laws that limit the rights of private business. His libertarian views (which I somewhat embrace) are for a small federal government. One hopes that in todays world, we wouldn't need the Civil Rights Act, that people would boycott a restaurant that banned a racial group and would go out of business. It's a balancing act... give the federal government more power or not. Another issue that comes to mind is the lawsuit against the Boy Scouts of America for banning gays from the organization. In this case, the court sided with BSA. I guess organizations are different from restaurants, but it's a fine line in my opinion. (back to the boy scouts, if it was up to me, they would change their name to Scouts and allow boys and girls in. Why should only boys get to put "Eagle Scout" on their resume to college)
03:50 PM on 05/21/2010
"What I am accusing him of is an inability to articulate in any meaningful way how he can justify racial exclusion by private enterprise."

I am curious, can anyone articulate in any meaningful way how racial exclusion by private enterprise can't be justified? To be certain, most people don't want it, and I think racial exclusion would be a lasting negative for society as a whole, but is there a legally and rationally coherent way to justify the law that bans it?
07:33 PM on 05/21/2010
He's suggesting that we shouldn't infringe on the right of private business owners to, essentially, be an idiot (i.e. putting up a "whites only" sign). That government shouldn't tell you what you can and can't say as a private owner of a business. That we (you and I) should be free choose whether we would patronize such a businesses, or not. I certainly don't know anyone who would. And I honestly can't see any place actually doing it. Any place that did would be out of business in less than a month.

In other words, you and I should decide what type of America we want to live in, not the government.

Also....
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cbat
09:40 PM on 05/21/2010
Do not be so naive, if businesses today felt they could get away with discriminating they would do it in a hot minute. The only reason gov became involved civil rights in the first place is because businesses would not and could not do the right thing. Business will never be able to do the right thing. If not for gov intervention, we would not have clean water, safe food, safe roads, etc.
08:01 PM on 05/21/2010
His larger point is we, as a country, need to toe the line that says; this is public – this is private. Because when blurred, it's no longer a matter of principal. The government then decides what's acceptable. I'm no conspiracy nut, but that's a bit scary even to me. Government is already deciding what's best for us in places – NYC banned trans fats, and California, foie gras banned in Chicago (since repealed).

The First Amendment is one freedom our country always protects. Even hate speech is protected (except incitement). Why the KKK are allowed to march. Despicable as we might find them, the Supreme Court has long upheld their rights. We can hate them, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't have the same rights. It's the proper view of the First Amendment, as there is no ambiguity in the Constitution on this issue.

However, I think there's a difference between freedom of speech (a sign) and a biz owner actually refusing service. I'm sure it could be argued he would be impinging the rights of another. Maybe only a technicality, but a way to balance belief in the freedom of private biz with what we all know is right.

But I wonder, would it be worse if people just knew who the racists were? Or is it better to never be certain, such as now? Is one really better than the other?

Anyway …. All that being said, this is a purely academic discussion. We're never going back.
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SirReal1
05:24 AM on 05/23/2010
Putting up a sign was only part of it. With that sign in place, and hiring practices that were aligned with the policy, opened the door for "incitement" (a crime, as noted by you) and more. Were we to "roll back" the law "today", those who were targeted by any "racist business" would RIGHTFULLY insure that those businesses were "put out of business" by destroying them. There WOULD be riots!
In your comment you suggest to "Jackanddiet" that "you and I should decide what type of America we want to live in, not the government", which completely misses the point. Our Government IS "you and I, and all the rest of us". There has never been, and never will be, a unanimous vote on ANYTHING the United States has done. There is an understanding that we must accept "majority rule", which means that we never have a "you and I" situation, but always an "all of us" majority. You can dissent, that is your right, but you must accept the will of the majority of your fellow citizens. That's how it works.
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Mark Olmsted
essayist, blogger, activist
02:11 PM on 05/21/2010
It's ironic that someone pretending to be the defender of free speech and straight talk proved incapable of answering a direct question. Unfortunately, as we have seen with Sarah Palin, Tea Partiers et al. consider the capacity to formulate a coherent sentence symbolic of Ivy League Intellectualism, denigrating any semblance of intellect as "professorial" and condescending.
You may find my take on Randian thinking of interest http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-olmsted/people-and-property_b_584111.html
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warriorwoman73
02:53 PM on 05/21/2010
Ironic indeed. Fanned.