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Interrogators Speak Out: Torture is Illegal, Immoral and Ineffective

Posted: 04/28/2012 7:16 pm

Every interrogation starts with analysis. That is, getting to know the detainee, researching their background, exploring their relationships with others, reviewing any available information and figuring out what makes them tick -- their background, motivations, what drove them into violent extremism and a baseline of how the detainee responds to questions.

To do this, an interrogator needs a detainee's trust, which is best developed by establishing rapport. Only then can interrogators leverage their knowledge to convince a detainee to engage with the interrogator, with a goal of obtaining accurate and reliable information. Every good interrogator can tell you this method of building rapport and evidence based-interrogation practices is the most effective and efficient manner in which professionals obtain intelligence and evidence from detainees. But others would have you think otherwise, such as Jose Rodriguez, the former CIA officer famous for destroying the torture tapes, whose new book Hard Measures argues that torture was necessary and saved lives. It's instructive to ask why, despite all the evidence to the contrary, those involved continue to advocate methods that are both unlawful and ineffective and why they continue to mislead.

Consider the first factor mentioned above: analysis. Like other torture advocates, Rodriguez wasn't a trained interrogator and lacked meaningful experience with Al Qaeda. Instead of asking experts and professionals who have had tremendous success acquiring intelligence and evidence from terrorist suspects, he turned to psychologists who lacked any experience in the art of interrogation and who had no experience with Al Qaeda. They failed to listen to subject matter experts, and without a meaningful experience base, or evidenced-based research, they created the unlawful techniques that have come to be called Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, a euphemism for torture and abuse. It's unfortunate that they didn't turn to any of the professional interrogators with years of experience, who could have pointed them elsewhere, to techniques used with great success by the U.S. military as far back as World War II and those same rapport-based approached that have proven extremely effective against Al Qaeda over the years.

The public should realize that this is not a debate about whether or not torture works. There is no validated evidence that would lead anyone to that conclusion. This appears merely one more torture apologist misinforming the public with unsupported claims that they had to torture detainees to save lives, when the reality is that it has done just the opposite. We will never know how many new terrorists Al Qaeda was able to recruit, how much funding Al Qaeda was able to obtain and how the implementation of these misguided tactics have hardened resistance and emboldened Al Qaeda. What it has done is produced both inaccurate and unreliable information and it's very use became part of the Al Qaeda narrative.

What Congressional hearings into these matters also established is that these misguided tactics were the basis for the use of unlawful practices at Guantanamo Bay and those tactics further spread into Iraq and contributed to the abuses at Abu Ghraib. The final damage done will continue to unfold, as we look to bring terrorists to justice before Military Commissions and defense counsels shine light on the employment of these tactics.

What the evidence does support, is what professionals who have been combating terrorists and working against Al Qaeda for years have known. Torture's effectiveness is based in obtaining propaganda and has most often been used by our adversaries to mislead. It's unfortunate that some of those who have employed these techniques continue to mislead.

To obtain accurate and reliable information, the evidence is also clear... torture is illegal, immoral, ineffective and inconsistent with American values.

 
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SuzDuJour
As cute as I am funny...hey, wait a second
04:08 AM on 05/02/2012
If Dick Cheney is for it, I am against it.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
07:53 AM on 04/30/2012
They're only saying that it's ineffective because it fails to accomplish its goals!
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
07:23 AM on 04/30/2012
Torture is immoral.

When publicized, enhanced interrogation (torture), along with murder, kidnapping (rendition) and indefinite detention (hostage taking), torture is likely an effective technique for terrorizing a targeted population and possibly getting some in the targeted population to collaborate out of fear.

Evidence from around the world, and notably in South America, suggests that the political consequences are likely to be negative - since terrorism makes enemies.

That's all very interesting but what is important is that ....

Torture is immoral.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
04:45 AM on 04/30/2012
The only people who are claiming that torture or "enhanced interrogation techniques" got us information that we did not get elsewhere (and which was probative) are people like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. When you ask the people who were ACTUALLY THERE, in some cases ACTUALLY DOING THE INTERROGATIONS, they ALL say that EITs were a failure and in some cases made it HARDER to get good information from detainees. This is NOT a close call or a "gray area": EITs did not work and should not be used....
craig asia
Not part of upper-most 2%...yet!
04:23 AM on 04/30/2012
Why destroy the tapes? Getting rid of negative visuals sounds like covering up a crime to me.
06:01 AM on 05/01/2012
Not all "tapes" can be destroyed. CIA and NSA Special Black Ops agents make a living out of being liars.
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lenguss
02:10 AM on 04/30/2012
Illegal? Yes.

Immoral? Depends. There are higher goods, higher moralities. Like survival of the nation.

Ineffective? Nonsense. The reason it is employed is that it is very effective. If it were not, it would not be employed.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
04:48 AM on 04/30/2012
Bulllllsshhyttee!!! The ONLY people who say it worked are Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld et al. The actual interrogators, the people who were there doing the interviews, say it not only didn't work, it made things harder in some cases. Even if it WERE legal, the FBI wouldn't use it because they believe it is inherently UNRELIABLE and NOT "effective".

You REALLY need to do some very basic research on this issue before you say something so dumb and demonstrably incorrect....
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06:05 AM on 04/30/2012
Nonsense. Torture is highly ineffective - people in pain tell you whatever you want to hear. Not the truth.

Remember, torture extracted extensive and detailed descriptions of witchcraft. Despite the fact that there were precious few witches. Agonized Jews confessed to the sacrifice of infants - the terrible blood libel accustions.

What torture DOES do, is to win elections, control terrorized populations and make the afraid and ineffective feel in control.

Beware the ignorant man with a sense of entitlement.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
02:05 AM on 04/30/2012
Damn. Just when I was lining up my budget questions, too....
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MachCrit
A red guitar, three chords and the truth
01:19 AM on 04/30/2012
Having read 259 pages of the redacted report that was posted online, I know it documents in detail how Abu Zubaida, Mohammed and others were forced into confessions using nonviolent techniques, pitting one detainee's testimony against another's. None of the documented evidence, including plots involving weapons of mass destruction, was extracted using torture. Mr. Cohen falsely asserted that torture is a more expedient form of interrogation and that rapport-building and other techniques take too long. The CIA report states that none of the operations or plots uncovered could be called "imminent."
I know from my experience as a U.S. Army interrogator in Iraq that torture does not work. Nonviolent, legal techniques are used by dedicated CIA, FBI, military and intelligence professionals the world over with great success. These techniques reflect the wisdom and strategic vision that are also shared by our own legal system -- that one cannot overcome a barbaric foe by turning his barbarism against him. To win, one must rise above it.
JOHN A. McCARY
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MachCrit
A red guitar, three chords and the truth
01:17 AM on 04/30/2012
"As a former intelligence officer who taught and practiced interrogation, over 30 years, it is clear that by use of torture you can get a prisoner to say anything you wish, though it may be far from the truth and will not provide useful information. Further, by use of torture, we abandon the principles on which this nation was founded and lose respect in the eyes of all nations and people who hold high the principles of the universal rights of freedom. When we lose these values, we lose much of what America stands for."
ATjr.
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BillKen
02:38 AM on 04/30/2012
We are in trouble.
Semper Fi
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MachCrit
A red guitar, three chords and the truth
10:10 AM on 04/30/2012
We are. With the memories of Nuremburg still fresh, the U.S. has destroyed the very things that made us exceptional. Keep up the good fight, Bill.

Fellow Vet.
craig asia
Not part of upper-most 2%...yet!
04:19 AM on 04/30/2012
As a military vet, I am ashamed of this torture. I understand that incompetence and fear led them to it, but to still be banging the drums 10 years later is just wrong-headed. They were given a bad situation, and they handled it badly.
I never liked GWB much, but at least he's kept quiet after his years of destruction. Guys like this want to profit from their own destructive behavior when they should shut up and thank President Obama that they are not in jail.
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MachCrit
A red guitar, three chords and the truth
09:53 AM on 04/30/2012
You are exactly right, Craig. I'm also an ex-officer that flew in Vietnam and I think it's important that vets denounce torture for what it is--a war crime.
Thank you.
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JJenius
Being lucky is often forgotten!
10:49 PM on 04/29/2012
Guys in law enforcement and certain branches of the military see a lot of horrible carnage and suffering. It's only natural for them to think they might have some power to stop it, reverse it, or save the innocent by using torture. But according to many who have been there and written about it, those tortured will say anything. And the torturer becomes the terrorist.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
07:56 AM on 04/30/2012
Exactly! They'd admit to SUICIDE if they thought that it would stop the torture!
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skwan91607
Favor to Internationalism
10:08 PM on 04/29/2012
IF HUMAN RIGHT IS TRULY A BASIC VALUE OF HUMAN BEING. THEN TORTURE MUST BE ILLEGAL.
Expecting to get something out from Torture is against the Reason of Human Right Concept. Since human is existing because we honor the Human Value. The method of Torturing other human being, including enemy, is against our BELIEF, the Human Right to live and the value to be not less than one who tortures. The argument of extracting information effectively by Torture is a subject debatable. It is no value if one debates and argue the ABSOLUTE VALUE of HUMAN RIGHTS. That is WHY the Geneva Trearty kicked in to protect all that. The world believe TORTURE IS ILLEGAL. Period.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Liberalism = Stultification of the Brain
12:02 PM on 04/29/2012
There is no denying it, Mr.Fallon, it works. The simple fact that Bin Laden sleeps with the fishes is testament to that. That is a fact.
07:15 PM on 04/29/2012
Torture contributed nothing to the project of getting Bin Laden. That's the actual fact.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
Liberalism = Stultification of the Brain
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
08:29 PM on 04/29/2012
Actually, there is PLENTY of denying it. Torture does not work, according to many of the very interrogators that took part in it, which you are ignoring. Torture will get them to say something, whether they know it or not, and there is no evidence that torture led to finding Bin Laden. At all.

So please, back up your "facts" with "sources".
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10:07 PM on 04/28/2012
A good friend of mine once told me, "People are going to think what they want to think, no matter what you say or do." With the proliferation of disinformation from those seeking to support their own beliefs and the persons in the voting population that really, really want to believe it, perhaps it is no wonder some vote as they do -- seemingly against their owns interests.

P.S. I don't think my friend's statement always holds true -- depends on the frame of mind (open or not) of the listener, of course.
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Davewaybe
Life gives us time only love gives us meaning
09:13 PM on 04/28/2012
You know.... I do not know of one guy that would die for his country like the extremists. To strap a bomb to your belly and push the button.
You can say crazy, or you can say belief.......
So if you have a guy that has more faith than you that the afterlife (and God) exists..... how on earth do you think that torture is going to make an impression........................
Totally crazy!
07:38 PM on 04/28/2012
Don't tell us; we know. Tell the Attorney General it is beyond time to prosecute the Bush/Cheney cabal who boasted, publicly and on tape, that they did it and are proud of having done it, the law or the public outcry be damned.

Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, Mr. Rumsfeld, Ms. Rice, Mr. Rove and the rest should be living out their days in prison; they acted not only improperly but illegally, bringing shame upon our country and exposing it to additional attacks.
pssdov
No act of kindness goes unnoticed
10:49 AM on 04/29/2012
Hear, hear!
10:48 PM on 04/29/2012
Yes!