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Jamie Dimon Complains More, As JPMorgan Chase Losses Eclipse $30 Billion

Posted: 05/21/2012 12:23 pm

Champion American complainer Jamie Dimon complained on Monday about Wall Street regulation, while also insisting he not be described as a complainer. All the while, his bank's losses, partly resulting from lax regulation, continued to grow.

An initial $2 billion trading loss has likely resulted in a total loss of more than $30 billion, when you include a 19 percent drop in the bank's stock price. By itself, the trading loss alone might balloon to more than $6 billion, according to one estimate.

To strengthen the Cognitive Dissonance Vortex he had created, the JPMorgan Chase CEO's comments came as the ink was still drying on news reports that reminded everybody of why the Wall Street regulation he complains about constantly is necessary in the first place. Namely, the Wall Street Journal reported that a top risk-management officer at JPMorgan apparently had a spotty track record of risk-management. And CNNMoney said estimates of the bank's initial $2 billion loss due to poor risk-management have tripled to at least $6 billion.

But first, to the Dimon Complain-Bot 9000: Speaking at the Deutsche Bank Securities Global Financial Services Investor Conference in New York, Dimon rolled out several of his standard complaints about post-crisis efforts to regulate the financial sector, according to the Wall Street Journal's Deal Journal blog, which live-blogged his comments.

On the Volcker Rule, which -- if it is ever actually put in place in any real way -- would prohibit banks with federally insured customer deposits from being able to blow billions of dollars on stupid market gambles, Dimon warned that regulators should be very careful not to "throw the baby out with the bathwater." Typically in this analogy, which he has used more than once before, Dimon implies that JPMorgan is the squeaky-clean baby and other banks are the nasty bathwater. But now that JPMorgan Chase has done exactly the sort of thing the Volcker Rule was designed to stop, the analogy is less effective -- the baby a bit scummier, if you will.

Dimon also issued his usual dire warnings about how regulation would harm American banks and drive business overseas to places where regulations aren't so horribly constraining. But, amazingly, Dimon also said of regulation: "Please don't anyone write I am complaining about it."

This is the man who has honed complaining about regulation to a fine art. He is the Mozart of Complaining. If you haven't seen it, you should really take a few minutes and watch Hunter Stuart's Huffington Post video mashup of all of the times Jamie Dimon has complained about regulation.

Ironically, the regulations he hates most might have saved his bank at least $2 billion, and possibly $5 billion or even $7 billion. Bad bets on unregulated credit derivatives cost the bank an initial $2 billion, and now Morgan Stanley estimates the losses will rise to $5 billion by the end of the year, the Financial Times's FT Alphaville blog writes. That is $2 billion more than Dimon has publicly estimated, but increasingly nobody believes Dimon on this.

In fact, CNNMoney suggests the losses may have already hit $6 billion or $7 billion, citing traders in the derivatives market, where JPMorgan and its enormous bets are still trapped, being eaten alive by hedge funds.

Dimon, in his comments on Monday, said the bank wasn't going to keep updating everybody on its losses. An easier amount of money to track is the amount of market value that has been vaporized since this episode began. JPMorgan stock has tumbled nearly 19 percent since May 10, erasing nearly $30 billion in shareholder value.

Adding insult to injury, Dimon said that the bank was going to cancel its plans to buy back its stock -- despite the shares now being available at a steep discount -- in order to make sure the bank's capital will be ready to meet new global regulatory requirements.

These developments may not undermine Dimon's arguments that the bank has a "fortress balance sheet," but they won't make shareholders happy. And clearly the bank's reputation for risk management is getting worse by the day.

Today's blow: The guy in charge of managing risk at the unit responsible for the loss is in the spotlight for some past episodes of questionable risk management, the WSJ writes, citing people familiar with the matter:

Irvin Goldman, who was installed as chief risk officer for the Chief Investment Office this past February before being relieved of his duties this month, suffered between $10 million and $15 million in losses on one bet in 2008 in his prior role as a trader for the bank, these people said.

J.P. Morgan halted Mr. Goldman's trading in late 2008 and put him on leave when it learned that regulators were separately probing trading practices at Cantor Fitzgerald, where Mr. Goldman had served as an executive until late 2007, the people said.

Goldman, who declined to comment to the WSJ, has not been accused of any wrongdoing.

But, hey, look on the bright side: The Telegraph reports that Ina Drew, the woman in charge of the unit responsible for the loss, will go away with $32 million in cash and going-away prizes.

 
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02:03 PM on 05/31/2012
Another effen pschopath loses billions and is rewarded with millions to "go away".
TBTF = TOO BIG TO MANAGE = Too Big To eXist.
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jannas2cents
10:42 PM on 05/25/2012
This would be so pathetic if it weren't so frightening. The country's biggest bank can't even handle its own money. Apparently the primary reason Dimon is so opposed to bank regulation is that he feels members of congress aren't financially astute enough to comprehend the complexities of their business, especially derivatives. This may be true, but it doesn't look like he's all that great about it either. And what's even more scary is that President Obama has been quoted as calling Dimon "one of the best we've got" after hearing of the $2 billion loss (when it was "only" $2 billion). Is there any question at all in anyone's mind that BANKS MUST BE REGULATED? This means that "The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999" (which deregulated the banking and financial services industries) must be REPEALED and the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933 (which put in place effective banking regulations that kept our banking system stable for 66 years) must be resurrected and reinstated.
12:45 PM on 05/23/2012
just give him more money...thats what we aways do...
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JAT3
For every action there is a reaction...
04:03 AM on 05/23/2012
So where are all the REP and tro//s in support of JPM now? I BET you wish you had more regs now don't you? If not, then your all just as much a fool as Dimon! Some rules always help, because in other places where its lacked the bank can bet the house if they want. But you REP want it all and just cant seem to try and work within somekind of framework.

Now its a wonder if there are other big bets out there, or who will be next to try what JPM did and think "It won't happen to me"!
Lynette
Liberals have a lot more fun!
02:30 AM on 05/23/2012
Margin Call--this is that movie just real life.
Lynette
Liberals have a lot more fun!
02:26 AM on 05/23/2012
They are probably about to "tank" but this guy is running around trying to save face before it happens.
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Steve Rockett
01:59 AM on 05/23/2012
Put Dimon in charge of an ATM on the moon.
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authorized-user
macho macho man
12:31 AM on 05/23/2012
I have to wonder how much of the JPM derivative losses are caused by naked shorts that they created and then dumped into the market by high frequency trading.
This is the same as dumping freight car loads of counterfeit money into the economy which causes a huge drop in market value.
Nobody knows how many of these toxic derivatives based on naked short positions were sold by JPM and the losses could reach into the trillions of dollars as their unsecured bad bets unwind around the world.
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irochfpst
no right turn
11:09 PM on 05/22/2012
does dimon even know he lives on planet earth?
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firewired
Compared to what?
11:04 PM on 05/22/2012
Why aren't Dimon & Madoff sharing a jail cell? WHY? This man has NOTHING to say of interest, except to a grand jury. He's been to the White House 16 times in the past.

The man needs a cold hard slap of justice, not another platform! In spite of all his education, he's learned NOTHING!
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fourex
10:21 PM on 05/22/2012
I sense some big bonuses coming soon before early departures.
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feelingdisposable
Obama 332 - Romney 206
06:11 AM on 05/23/2012
Ina Drew got $32 million in cash & going away prizes.
02:12 PM on 05/23/2012
and she is the fall guy. she was retiring anyway; but, they pretend her leaving is punishment enough for them. Hey, 32 Mil aint such a bad slap on the hand.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
08:10 PM on 05/22/2012
Another fine lesson in the always-high costs of "Fiscal Conservatives".
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bola47
05:27 PM on 05/22/2012
he is right up there with blankfein as a model of greed and contempt for people.
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alan2a
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04:47 PM on 05/22/2012
I say Dimon would make the perfect VP candidate for Romney. Two unethical crooks with the morals of a sociopath are perfect, absolutely perfect representatives of Republican ideology.
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LHoney
REINSTATE GLASS STEAGALL!!!
08:42 AM on 05/23/2012
He wouldn't take the demotion.
03:32 PM on 05/22/2012
What is the definition of "losses"?
Did the $$$$$ just evaporate? Or, in reality, did they merely transfer ownership in the free market?
Just askin'.
As the "losses" bump up a mere $B or so each time, I can't resist the thought that somewhere out there, another "Dimon in the Rough" is smiling and adding up the "gains".
As the lady said when she pee'd in the ocean while her husband was drowning....
Every little bit helps!
04:57 PM on 05/22/2012
Ah has been pointed out numerous times, JPMChase is a federally backed and insured bank. If their losses on risky trading take down the company, they then have the potential to become PUBLIC losses. Futhermore, the company is so huge, it would literally take down the economy with it. Get it?
10:04 PM on 05/22/2012
Thanks for the comment.
Was just kidding.
Totally familiar with privatize the return and socialize the risk.
More aptly. privatize the gain, socialize the losses.
Best wishes.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
08:13 PM on 05/22/2012
Money never disappears. A loss in stock value can be taken by someone short selling (it's more complex that that- essentially you're offsetting a buy order at the price of the short, and promising to pay it off in the future. If successful, you pay less. That's why you have to short on margin [in other words, with borrowed money]). BTW, the song that's been going through my head lately is "Jaime's Cryin'".
10:08 PM on 05/22/2012
Thanks for the reply
Was just messin' around.
Got a business degree with economics minor.
However, when I did it there was still some sanity in the capital markets.
So I guess it is useless now.
Best wishes.