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Six Things About The Economy You Won't Hear At Tonight's Presidential Debate

Posted: 10/03/2012 9:20 am

If you're putting together a presidential-debate drinking game, there are at least six things you shouldn't even bother to include, because they're not happening.

President Obama and his Republican challenger, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, meet Wednesday night for a highly anticipated episode of Kabuki theater, also known as a "debate." It will ostensibly be about domestic issues, or whistling, or fishin' holes, or whatever else the moderator, National Treasure Jim Lehrer, decides it will be about. The constraining rules of the debate, along with the debaters' natural aversion to saying anything interesting, will leave the audience hungry for knowledge, beyond the usual "zingers," "gaffes," "sighs" and "too much tanner."

Unfortunately, there's a lot of interesting stuff you're not going to hear at the debate, because the candidates aren't even discussing them out on the campaign trail or at fundraisers. Here are just six. There are lots more, but these are the most important economic issues that aren't getting talked about:

Thing One: I Can Haz Moar Stimulus? The economy needs more fiscal stimulus, and it needs it now. Job growth has slowed lately, even with the unemployment rate stuck above 8 percent, not far from where it was a year ago. Economic growth has ground to a dangerously slow rate, leaving the economy vulnerable to shocks.

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The Federal Reserve, for its part, has traveled through the looking glass to find increasingly exotic ways to provide more stimulus, recently saying that it is just going to keep buying bonds and pumping cash into the economy until the Rapture or a real recovery, whichever comes first. But what about President Obama and Congress? They've stood back and wished the Fed luck, not lifting even a finger to help. Obama proposed a stimulus plan of sorts, the American Jobs Act, more than a year ago. But he has apparently given up on even mentioning that the Republicans have been blocking it. Now the only thing serious people want to talk about is reducing the budget deficit. Which brings us to Thing Two:

Thing Two: The Deficit Isn't Going Anywhere; Leave It Alone For Now: Everybody's worried about the budget deficit, but doing anything about it right now would be economic suicide. For more details, see the European debt crisis, where austerity measures have hurt economic growth, leading to lower tax revenues and wider budget deficits. Rinse, repeat, weep. As Mattea Kramer at Mother Jones puts it, "the hard truth of the matter is that deep deficit reduction anytime soon will be a genuine disaster," adding that "any move to immediately reduce the deficit does increase the likelihood that you will lose your job."

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A couple of things are shocking about the political obsession with cutting the budget deficit: First, it is having absolutely no effect on U.S. borrowing costs right now. Interest rates on Treasury bonds are near record lows. All of the bond-market vigilantes that caused trouble back in the 1990s are underground like Morlocks, counting their gold. Second, voters do not care about the budget deficit. They really don't! Every single poll that asks about this -- what do voters care about the most -- finds that voters overwhelmingly care about the economy and jobs and care very, very little about the budget deficit. And yet, lots of hot air will be expelled over the budget deficit at the debate. Not once will you hear somebody say it's a pointless, even self-defeating, discussion.

Thing Three: End The Drug War: Here's an idea for stimulating the economy: End the drug war immediately, then tax legalized drugs to raise government revenue. Take some of that revenue, along with the savings from not having to incarcerate millions of drug offenders, and help those former drug offenders get treatment and/or education. Put monstrous for-profit prisons out of business. You may find this plan full of holes, but one thing we can agree on is that these problems probably won't even get an argument this debate. Meanwhile, we will continue to have more black men in prison, on probation or on parole today than were enslaved in antebellum America, as Adam Gopnik of the New Yorker noted earlier this year. Think Progress rightly put this at the top of a list of un-discussed election issues recently. This is the new (not so new, really) slavery: A national disgrace. And, again, it's also an economic issue.


Thing Four: Do Something About Global Warming: This is another issue that directly affects the economy directly, about which you've heard bupkus in this election. Americans and their insurance companies face billions of dollars in losses every year as a result of droughts, fires, floods and devastating storms, which are increasing in frequency and severity as a result of global warming. As Neil Katz points out, Mitt Romney once flirted with the idea of a cap-and-trade system in Massachusetts -- a market-based approach to cutting carbon emissions. Now, even the idea that such a thing might be necessary is taboo. Instead, we'll hear a lot about energy independence, a goal that too often involves increasing reliance on domestically produced oil and gas. Maybe Lehrer will raise this issue at the debate, but the candidates have studiously avoided it.


Thing Five: Extend The Payroll Tax Cut: At the end of the year, about 160 million Americans will suddenly see an alarming drop in their take-home pay, when a two-year payroll-tax holiday abruptly expires. This will represent a $920 annual tax increase for the average family, as the Washington Post's Ezra Klein notes. And yet both parties have apparently lost their appetite for doing anything to stop this, because of their aforementioned self-destructive obsession with the budget deficit.


Thing Six: Prosecute Wall Street Fraud: Since the financial crisis that began more than four years ago, nobody from Wall Street has gone to jail for any of the wrongdoing that caused the crisis. It's probably never going to happen. This apparently only makes people on the fringes of both parties, like Tea Partiers and HuffPost bloggers -- oh, and most voters -- angry. Obama plainly doesn't want to spend a lot of government time and money chasing down evildoers from the financial sector, and Romney, who happens to be from said financial sector, is probably just fine with that. This matters, because if there's not a real deterrent to bad behavior on Wall Street, then it will happen again, and we will have more financial crises and bailouts.

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marilana2
11:12 PM on 10/03/2012
President Obama was Presidential. Romney was a pitbull. Who wants a pitbull for a President. Romney bullied the moderator and talked out of turn and over the President. Romny was that same bully who bullied the kid in the schoolyard, and cut off the kid's hair.
11:01 PM on 10/03/2012
I did notice a couple of things neglected to be challenged - when Obama mentioened using the savings from the wars ending, he negelcted to mention that this was projected borrowed money that we really don't have in hand. The second fact is that the payroll taxes reduced are Social Security taxes that were supporting a collsasing system. Good idea? Once this is rstored, as it needs t be as much as I hate to admit it must be immediately, plus the cost of ObamaCare and rising COL, the middle class is getting ready for a royal*&(&&* if he get's re-elected.
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Chow Tai Tat
11:43 PM on 10/03/2012
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Robert Secrist
those who forget are condemned to repeat
10:46 PM on 10/03/2012
Forget about prosecuting bank fraud. The government is complicit in the mess. So many rules were broken, accounting fraud at Freddie & Fannie to increase bonuses and hide the depth of the problem, critics silenced by political pressure, bribery everywhere, that it will never be allowed to come out in open court. Too many people currently in office are to blame. End the drug war. Great idea. Good luck with it. Both candidates are afraid of even medical weed. End the other wars too. Many things are possible in theory. But the country is owned by some 400 people. What they want, they get.
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ClarcKing
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10:07 PM on 10/03/2012
Americans obviously are not experiencing a 16 trillion dollar economy, quite the opposite; 100 million Americans have been driven into poverty as of late, 50 million need food assistance, 30 million need a high-paying, full time job, 7 million Families have been foreclosed on, etc. I think the Fed and the Congress ought to explain how they encumbered the natiion. It's a sad story, I'm sure.

The budget crisis that Wall St created, and demands budget cuts, starting with Social Security, can be remedied by a tax on Wall St. transactions, that funds the 50 states and the national redevelopment, employing 10 million Americans immediately, that will reverse our national collapse.

Stop the insane, Perpetual War, that is about to morph into a thermonuclear. confrontation with Russia and China.

Legalizing Drugs? I say look to Mexico. In this day and age, with the economy going to crisis point, we have to tell our fellow citizens to aspire to thoughtful, healthly behavior and living standards. It would be better to tell drug users that its not working, the consumption of drugs, like financial investments are bad for you; a great educational program, instead of a national submission to degenerate behavior and drug cartels, would be the way to go.

Stop the Bailouts, Too Big to Fail is a hoax, and the bailouts are a fraud, a terrible drag, plundering the population's economy. Stop the Bailouts, recover the bailout money, Indict the Wall St. cabal, Indict the Fed members.
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chendri887
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11:07 PM on 10/03/2012
Let's get this done. How do we start?
08:51 PM on 10/03/2012
Unfortunately Obama won't get any hardball questions from the swooning media. We'll probably have to endure comments about Obama's wedding anniversary and have Michelle appear on stage for a promo and smooch neither of which have anything to do with the ability to run our country. Romney will be asked questions that deal with issues unrelated to the important economic crisis in our country like abortion, contraception, capital punishment, etc all the questions that will appeal to the emotion of the electorate rather than the intellect. Obama will get his usual pass. No one will ask why the national debt has increased by 5 trillion when he said it would be reduced. No one will ask why there are 16 million more on food stamps than when he took office. No one will ask how Obama can possibly claim that people are better off today when unemployment has been above 8% for 43 straight months. No one will ask what Obama would do DIFFERENTLY in his second term since what he had done in his first term has not worked. No one will ask why he spent the first two years on a health care program that is now projected to cost a trillion more than projected. No one will ask how America can add 30 million to the healthcare rolls without new doctors to take care of them and expect costs to go down. Etc, etc, no one will ask because the media are a bunch of liberals.
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roscoeman
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08:34 PM on 10/03/2012
What a great start. Let's elect a Congress that will start the discussions.
Change happens in the Congress
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pcw5150
Un-learn.
08:32 PM on 10/03/2012
Teabaggers aren't the least bit angry about wall st's crimes against humanity - mostly because their 1%er sugar daddies didn't tell them to be upset. But more to the point, what wall st did with their wild west antics is what the teabaggers are told to want - less govt regulation and free reign by corporations to pillage at will without regard for the human consequences.
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silsez
Wait for it...
08:05 PM on 10/03/2012
I know 1 thing we won't hear at the debate: The TRUTH from 0BlameBush! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmRgaKfWMPA
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blueagle8u
08:38 PM on 10/03/2012
I feel sad for ya! lol
martman1
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08:01 PM on 10/03/2012
# 7) Income and wealth inequality. The top 1% hold 40% of the wealth, up from 9%, thirty-five years ago. At that rate (and it is accelerating) they will hold 70% of it thirty-five years from now.
08:52 PM on 10/03/2012
Yeah, let's make us all poor then liberals will be happy. We can return to the days of old when only the politicians had all the money and power like the monarchy's with the rest of us working to keep them fat and happy. That's what democrats really want.
martman1
retired business owner
07:48 AM on 10/05/2012
Do you mean the days of old circa 1950 to 1980 when average incomes doubled with the doubling of GDP?
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07:56 PM on 10/03/2012
  Except for Thing one, that is worthless as defined by the Federal Reserve for the people and another billionaire building gift to the big banks, the other goals are worthy.  Mark G. you must study more economics before you can legitimately grow into the title that justifies your writing.  You must be a competent writer.  Now you must learn economics as it exists in the once American Republic.
07:53 PM on 10/03/2012
"Interest rates on Treasury bonds are near record lows."

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with:

"The Federal Reserve, for its part, has traveled through the looking glass to find increasingly exotic ways to provide more stimulus, recently saying that it is just going to keep buying bonds and pumping cash into the economy until the Rapture or a real recovery, whichever comes first."

A snake eating it's own tail is the economic prescription of these stimulouts.
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I know what you are thinking.
07:52 PM on 10/03/2012
There is no way in Hello, Obama is going to have Eric "Brown Nose" Holder prosecute any of his Wall Street buddies for the thievery and fraud they wrought upon America. Obama points his finger at Romney, but bankers and Wall Streeters are his best buddies, second only to minorities, Latinos, and union members. He makes decent Americans violently ill.
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blueagle8u
08:40 PM on 10/03/2012
By decent Americans you mean RICH and WHITE right???
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buckhunter3
07:47 PM on 10/03/2012
Simply unbelievable that anyone would caste a ballot for Pres.Obama again after the past four years of a terrible economy, high gas prices, stopping drilling, stopping the pipeline, and for lack of a better word -- simply making a "mess" out of everything this administration touched !!! His appointees are, for the most part, friends (big mistake) and not qualified for their respective jobs .....
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blueagle8u
08:48 PM on 10/03/2012
OH ONE MORE THING,IT TOOK EIGHT YEARS OF BUSH TO RUIN THE ECONOMY! THE BEST INDEPENDANT ECONOMISTS ALL AGREE THE DAMAGE COULD TAKE OVER TEN YEARS TO REPAIR!!! YOUR WELCOME!
09:10 PM on 10/03/2012
It took two unecessary wars that were gonna happen no matter who was in the whitehouse...now we have three more. They are all on the same side . Cant you see that? Neither candidate matters. "they" will have their way no matter what...unless...
07:45 PM on 10/03/2012
Why is no one mentioning the former Governor of New Mexico?