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Joseph Stiglitz: Private Equity Tax Break 'Weakens The Bonds That Hold A Society Together'

Posted: 09/04/2012 2:07 pm

It's already pretty easy to be mad at the super-low tax rates paid by private-equity executives. But here's another reason, maybe, to shake our fists at them: They hate America.

That is the verdict of Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel-Prize-winning Columbia economics professor, who writes in the Guardian on Monday that a tax break commonly enjoyed by Mitt Romney and other private-equity chieftains "weakens the bonds that hold a society together."

Not only that, but taxing "carried interest" income at the 15 percent capital-gains rate instead of the top income-tax rate of 35 percent costs the government billions of dollars a year, making it harder to invest in the economy by building roads and bridges and schools and such, according to Stiglitz.

"[T]he problem is not just Romney," Stiglitz writes; "writ large, his level of tax avoidance makes it difficult to finance the public goods without which a modern economy cannot flourish."

Conservatives will argue that bleeding the government of funds is a feature, not a bug, of taxing this sort of income at 15 percent instead of 35 percent: You encourage private investment, which should lessen the need for government to spend money on the economy.

But a low tax rate for capital gains on risky investments is one thing. An entirely different pickle jar is the low tax rate for "carried interest," which is essentially a management fee that private-equity and hedge-fund managers take for "managing" not to run their clients' investments totally into the ground. It's really not the same thing at all as a profit on a risky investment.

Carried interest has long been a subject of controversy, but it has gotten extra attention with the success of Romney's bid for the Republican nomination for president. President Obama has proposed raising the tax rate on carried interest to 35 percent, a suggestion that Blackstone Group CEO Stephen Schwarzman likened to Hitler invading Poland.

Schwarzman actually said of raising the carried-interest tax rate: "It's a war. It's like when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939." Just in case you weren't sure how seriously some executives were taking this topic.

Romney himself has been just a bit more sheepish about the controversy, all but conceding earlier this year that his low tax rate was kind of unfair.

"I think you have to look at each dimension of our income streams and ask if this is a true capital gain or carried income," Romney squirmed when questioned about it on CNBC back in March. (Note to self: Idea for future article: How many dimensions are in your income stream? Mine has one, or sometimes zero, when I get fired.)

Stiglitz's column comes at a time of heightened focus on other aspects of Romney's taxes and his payment thereof. Many noses were wrinkled at the revelation earlier this year that Romney paid just 13.9 percent in taxes on $21.6 million in income in 2010. Romney did not help the cause when he pinky-swore, in response to complaints that he was not releasing more tax returns, that he had never paid less than 13 percent in the past decade. Now the New York Attorney General is examining the legality of Bain Capital and other firms using a sketchy accounting trick to magically transform regular income into carried interest.

That scheme could be entirely legal. The IRS started looking into it five years ago, but then sat on it for some reason, according to Reuters.

But the whole controversy would be moot if carried interest were simply taxed like ordinary income, as it should be. As the New Yorker's James Surowiecki pointed out earlier this year, money managers at mutual funds and public companies don't get this tax break. Only managers at private firms do. Even if you don't buy Stiglitz's argument about the fundamental destructiveness of this tax break, that argument isn't necessary to want to see it end. The carried-interest tax rate is simply unfair.

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It's already pretty easy to be mad at the super-low tax rates paid by private-equity executives. But here's another reason, maybe, to shake our fists at them: They hate America. That is the verdict...
It's already pretty easy to be mad at the super-low tax rates paid by private-equity executives. But here's another reason, maybe, to shake our fists at them: They hate America. That is the verdict...
 
 
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03:30 PM on 10/23/2012
For Mitt to have paid 14% on his multi millions while wage earners slave away in the dungeon to help him make those millions is egregious and unfair on the face of it, without all the pretty details. My cousin and his wife combined earn around $70,000 and pay almost 40% in taxes including payroll taxes. The only group more whiney and self entitled than 8th generation welfare receipients are the ultra wealthy who cry like babies when confronted with the possiblity of paying tax rates like working people pay. Also if Social Security is an entitlement, why not apply it to all income sources? And by the way that 15% rate was justified by the rate levied on corporations, the only problem is no one performs a match to see if in fact the corporation is paying any taxes, which for the bigger richer corporations often pay zero tax so the only taxes on that income is the 15% (or less as Mitt proves). It is entirely unfair to working people. As my old uncle once said 'If work was good for you the rich wouldn't leave any for the poor!"
03:05 PM on 09/05/2012
During the period immediately following WW2 through the 1960's our economy soared and our middle class ballooned as did the millionaire class. Back then the top marginal tax rates varied from 90% to 70% and the concept of "carried interest" didn't exist. Of course then the financial sector was only about 10% of our total economy. Not like today when it's 35-40%.
hroark314
The handle says it all, doesn't it?
11:18 AM on 09/05/2012
I strongly oppose the special tax treatment of carried interest. Carried interest is simply a bonus - it's no different from a sales commission, stock options, or bonuses. You pay ordinary income tax rates on all of those, and PE guys should bay ordinary rates on their carried interest.

I'm a very anti-government, libertarian sort of fellow. On top of that, I have a pretty good understanding of the tax code (I'm not a CPA, but I double majored in Finance and Accounting at Wharton). It's because of this background - and not in spite of it - that I oppose the tax treatment of carried interst. It's a distorionary tax policy and it's bad for the economy because it subsidizes PE relative to other forms of financial employment.
10:01 AM on 09/05/2012
Mark, it scares me that I'm having to correct Huffington Post's Chief Financial Writer on these things, but here goes:

1) Carried Interest is based on the returns of the overall fund, is variable and is based on risk. If the businesses managed by the fund fails, no carry. It is designed to reward successful deployment of risk capital and therefore is considered for capital gains tax. PE managers are also personally invested (their own money) and therefore this also contributes to the inclusion under capital gains.

2) PE managers do charge a fee to their investors, which is around 1-2.5%. This covers the cost of managing the fund over its 10 year lifespan. This incurs corporation tax. Salaries of the managers (like Mr Romney) incur income tax.

3) Mutual fund investors don't get carry because they don't take a personal stake in their funds. They invest in a range of different things: cash, equities, commodities and alternatives (including PE). They are going for safe returns not risky ones. CGT does not apply.

4) Private Equity funds are not Hedge Funds. Hedge Funds may include some PE investment in the course of what they do (along with investments in equities, derivatives, short-selling and all sorts of things to HEDGE their investors money). PE funds only invest their investor's money in companies.

5) The effect on (VC funded) Silicon Valley would be catastrophic

Please do your research before writing something like this again... frankly it's embarrassing.
10:58 AM on 09/05/2012
Glad you took the time to correct him. It does not, however, justify the tax rates. Because I work for a wage, I'm stuck paying 28%. I don't think carried interst or capital gains should be taxed any lower than I am. It is all income, and despite what you and others say, upping the interest rate is not going to stop these people from investing. Thay have so much they willl have to do something with it besides hiding it in the Cayman Islands or Switzerland.
11:18 AM on 09/05/2012
Honestly I'm not that interested in the ideological side - whoever you vote for is up to you. What bothers me is the intellectual dishonesty that pervades elections, and stupid posts like Gongloff's only add to the confusion.

Re the tax rate, actually the rate does matter for capital gains if you're risking your money to invest in a business whether it's a start-up or turning around an old one, or if you invest in a company on the stock market there needs to be reward for that risk - afterall, you could lose your investment or that company could grown and provide increased employment and economic returns as a result.

Studies have consistently shown that increases in capital gains rates lead to a reduction in investment in businesses, and frankly that's bad for everyone.
hroark314
The handle says it all, doesn't it?
11:27 AM on 09/05/2012
Ronin - I would understand the tax treatment of carried interest if PE managers paid ordinary income taxes on the value of the carried interest at the time of the initial investment. In that event I wouldn't even expect them to pay capital gains on the entire carry when it was realized - just on the increase in the basis.
However, for two obvious reasons, that's not the way that carried interest works (there's no way to accurately price the value of carried interest at the time the fund closes and managers would stronlgly object to paying a large tax years before they realized cash flow). Instead, carried interest functions as a bonus. You're implied argument that since carried interest is at risk it should be treated as a capital gain simply doesn't make sense. I'm a consultant and I can guarantee you that my end of year bonus is subject to the risk of my own and my company's success or failure. However, I pay ordinary income tax rates on my bonus.

While I don't disagree with any of your 5 points, they have nothing to do with the simple fact that - from an economic perspective - the special tax treat of carried interest is a bad thing. Carried interest creates economic distortion because it treats one type of labor income differently for tax purposes than any other form. Economic distortions caused by subsidies are, by definition, bad for the economy as a whole.
01:10 PM on 09/05/2012
Finally, a decent debate on the merits or otherwise of carried interest. hroark I suspect that you and I will disagree on the worthiness of carry though - I see it as based on capital gain, probably as much as you see it as a bonus, but at least we're having an informed debate, rather than unformed sprays. Hurrah!

Let's look at it this way though:
- LPs (pension funds or whoever) provide GPs (PE firms) the funds to invest
- Carried interest is the capital growth on that investment
- As part of the agreement between the two parties, the LP agrees to give the GP up to 20% of that carry, or looking at it another way, 20% of their capital gains

At no time is the capital gain on the returns of the fund considered as a bonus, it (like any other form of capital gain) is the reward for successfully investing.

There are all sorts of subsidies that create economic distortions, many are detrimental. Why pick on one that encourages economic growth?
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Ecbtoo
09:26 AM on 09/05/2012
Just another good argument to support a major simplification of our convoluted, arcane tax code that tends to offer way to many loopholes that are only available to the wealthier Americans.
08:55 AM on 09/05/2012
Both sides have to stop using Hitler and Nazi for anything and everything. It didminshes every discussion! The Banking and Wall St. Thieves destroyed the World Economy not just the US.
It is time to quit listenting to anything they say as it ONLY benefits them. We the people have the majority to stop this by voting against their Candidates. It is time!!
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
08:01 AM on 09/05/2012
EVERY game has to have rules.

AND the rules must be perceived to be fair.

Otherwise people wise up, and refuse to play "the game".

One of these days, American taxpayers are going to "wise up" to the scam of American taxes, that they don't apply equally, and that the rich are buying congress, to write laws to benefit themselves.

What then?
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Kevin byDesign
03:45 AM on 09/05/2012
It was said @ #RNC "We Own this Country" too bad "We" is the top 2%...
11:51 PM on 09/04/2012
He definitely hit the nail on the head. A 15% tax rate on management fees does not foster long term investment. It does the opposite. Wake up America. The financial industry is raping democracy.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
09:27 PM on 09/04/2012
Increasingly citizens are becoming disenfranchised and angry ... but the country votes for this stuff in aggregate as money leaves for the Cayman's both at the ballot box and the cash register.
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garynofishing
There's a RAT infestation on Wall Street
01:39 AM on 09/05/2012
Don't worry, it's ok. Americans deserve to be poor and bankrupt. If they're foolish enough to vote FOR this special tax treatment for the wealthy, they deserve their fate. They need to learn lessons the hard way. It's actually the best teaching method.
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Skellen
08:43 PM on 09/04/2012
This only makes sense when you realize that Republicans have long since changed their goals, that of reining in excessive government spending by means of starving the government of the revenue with which the spending is made possible (lowering taxes), to that of simply lowering taxes for its own sake.

Thus the means / narrative can always change to fit the dynamic of the time regardless of whether it makes any sort of political, societal or financial sense.
08:29 PM on 09/04/2012
The superrich in US whines and complains over their high taxes.
A new Tax Justice Network (TJN) USA report reveals an estimated $21 - $32 trillion of hidden and stolen wealth stashed largely tax-free secretly. How much comes from the superrich in US is unclear, but it´s a reason why the tax revenues in US are among the lowest in the world.
In 2010 US taxes collected by federal, state and municipal governments amounted to 24.8% of GDP. Only two industrialized economies raised less tax revenue as a percent of GDP - Chile and Mexico. Germany raised 36,3% and Sweden 45,8%, and both countries have much healthier economy than US. So to claim that the tax burden is big in US is to exaggerate, and we must conclude it´s not based on a state of facts but a state of mind, a delusional state of mind. There are only two ways to fix more tax revenue - either raise the tax percent of the GDP or broaden the tax base.
Obama refers to Romney as "Romney Hood" and Romney refers to Obama as the "Sheriff of Nottingham" are just smokescreens to keep you focus off the real issues - the superrich plundering of US since the 70´s. Fix that and the US tax revenue will recover and there will be a balanced budget unless you slash the Defence and Homeland Security budget with at least 75%. The enemy of we the people you´ll find in these circles, not abroad.
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
01:18 AM on 09/05/2012
Our Homeland Security should consist of nothing less than a fair share of the land and resources we each need to make ourselves self sustaining. We cannot be a free people while the government and private hoarders make these necessities artifically scarce so they gain power and profits while millions of our people suffer homelessness and worse. In America we have 89 people per square mile and rank 178th out of 242 countries by population density. Bangladesh tops the list and somehow manages to sustain 2,678 people per square mile. My point is that we are not short of resources especially since our government holds around 30% of our land in "trust" for us. So why is there even 1 homeless person in America? Especially since we are but 5% of the world's population but consume 25% of its resources... There is NO excuse that is not evil for there to be any homeless Americans.
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kamact
Market Observer
08:17 PM on 09/04/2012
I believe most Americans should start paying at the 15% tax rate (before deductions) until the carriered interest loophole, and until work income is taxed at the same rate as capital gains....as any business person knows "time is money"...and hiring is considered a capital investment...On these two arguments Alone I recommend most Americans initiate a class action lawsuit against the IRS....
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
01:40 AM on 09/05/2012
I think we should all stop paying taxes till there is in place a social safety net that assures us that none of us will ever be homeless. We have far too many available resources for anybody to make an excuse that any one of us must live illegally in a tent under a bridge so another of us can make profits and live in luxury. It is a stupid and evil rule in an equally stupid and evil game. We must stop the hoarding and begin insisting on a decent life for each one of us. Our economic games can be built on top of the security of a true social safety net. No more buying gain with another person's pain.
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Republicanistan
Ignorance is Strength in Baggerstan
06:54 PM on 09/04/2012
Bain and Romney have precisely the Tax Code that they have Bought and Paid for.

They are not simply following the law, Romney through Bain has spent millions of dollars lobbying Congress because this saves him and other's like him 10's of millions of dollars each year adding up to Billions overall.
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PeterNPaul
Giants only fear slingshots.
06:29 PM on 09/04/2012
The only topic worthy of discussion around the tax code is whether we should burn it or recycle it. Somehow I think dancing around the fire would be much more fun.