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Posted: December 3, 2009 09:53 AM

Why 60 Senate Votes? Why Should 10% Veto 90%?

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Who elected Joe Lieberman the president of health care? Abuse of the filibuster and special interest money may still combine to stop health care reform and stop America from becoming a 21st century society. This perfect storm requires big changes.

As the Senate begins its historic floor debate on health care this week, let's glance at history.

To reach unanimity at the Constitutional Convention, the 1787 "Connecticut Compromise" created a House of Representatives allocating seats by population (favoring big states) and a Senate allocating seats by state (favoring small states). That was one thing when states were somewhat similar in populations, not now when California is 68 times the size of Wyoming. So today each California senator represents 68 times the number of people as a Wyoming senator. Or 10 times that of each Connecticut senator, like, say, Lieberman.

At the same time, the filibuster is nowhere in the Constitution and is merely a rule of the Senate. To end debate and allow a majority vote on a bill used to require 67 votes, which changed to 60 votes in 1975. But this rule violates at least the spirit of the Constitution which specifies those very few instances -- treaties, impeachment, among others -- that alone require a two-thirds super-majority vote. And it used to be invoked sparingly in less partisan times -- an average of once a year in the 1950s but 139 times by Republicans in 2008.

The result? Only 10% of Americans living in 20 small states have nearly the votes needed to continue a filibuster and kill any essential health care reform - or any policy reform for that matter. 10% can, in effect, veto 90%, something the Founders never desired or expected.

It gets worse than that.

The campaign finance system (notwithstanding 1974 post-Watergate reforms and the McCain-Feingold soft money restrictions) still allows special interest money to flow to special friends in the Congress -- like the insurance industry's affection for Lieberman -- to make sure that such members throw monkey wrenches into the legislative process on big ticket items as health care.

So today any one grandstander -- given that the Democratic Caucus has exactly the 60 votes necessary to invoke cloture -- can make up any justification to become a George Wallace standing in the school house door successfully saying "no!" Lieberman, for example, has adamantly opposed any public option saying that it would add to the deficit and waste taxpayer dollars, although the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has shown that it won't. Economically, a public option is no more radical than the "yardstick competition" of public power companies since the 1930s or Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960s. Running out of plausible arguments, Lieberman now just asserts that it's "an unnatural and dangerous appendage to health care reform."

The problem is not the hollowness of his arguments but the political fact that he has the power to sink the public option or other popular reforms because of an Achilles heel in our system -- two of them really. The only thing worse than the tyranny of the majority is a tyranny of the minority.

While most Americans are riveted either by the debates on Afghanistan and jobs -- or perhaps by Tiger Woods and the White House party-crashers -- the far more consequential problem represented by No-Joe goes without much notice. But a democracy tied down by the double Gordian Knots of money and filibuster threatens to assure that America fails to keep up with modern trends and needs. For only one example: how many more jobs will we lose to countries whose workers have their health care subsidized by the state? That should be part of any Jobs Summit.

Since there's no possibility that small states will ever agree to a constitutional amendment to weaken their power in the U.S. Senate, what options exist for Majority Leader Harry Reid on the health care bill in particular or in the Senate generally?

Campaign Finance Reform? One is radical campaign finance reform so that big corporate interests don't compound the problem of the filibuster. Unfortunately it appears that, if anything, America is headed in the opposite direction given the imminent Supreme Court decision in Citizen's United, which I will discuss in a separate blog post next week.

Reconciliation? Second, if health care fails this go-around with "only" 58 or 59 votes, Reid should consider using the so-called Reconciliation route next year which allows budget bills to be enacted by simply majority vote. This would eventually require the Senate Parlimentarian to rule on what parts of the current health care bill qualify as in effect budget bills. That would be legislatively problematic but still possible.

55 not 60? Third, by agreement between the Senate leader and the vice president sitting as presiding officer, the Senate at the start of the next session in January, 2011 could reduce the number required to cut off debate ("vote cloture") from 60 to 55, which would be the difference between minority rule and minority rights.

Republican critics will loudly complain that Reconciliation would violate Senate tradition and reforming the filibuster would be a "nuclear option" risking a breakdown in Senate business. But isn't their recent incessant use of the filibuster an undemocratic violation of tradition and a slow-motion nuclear option that, in effect, vetoes the results of the '06 and '08 elections? If 67 votes for cloture could shrink to 60, why not to 55? And speaking of tradition, what was wrong with an era in which, when Senators say they want to keep debating, they would have to keep debating, like the filibuster of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

This month's health care debate is about not only the health care of Americans, but also the health of the American democracy itself.

 
 
 
Who elected Joe Lieberman the president of health care? Abuse of the filibuster and special interest money may still combine to stop health care reform and stop America from becoming a 21st century so...
Who elected Joe Lieberman the president of health care? Abuse of the filibuster and special interest money may still combine to stop health care reform and stop America from becoming a 21st century so...
 
 
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12:14 PM on 12/07/2009
Public funding of all federal elections will solve all of the problems. Just $6 annual contribution from each person will pay for it all.
07:34 AM on 12/05/2009
Senators vote to eliminate the Senate? Get real! Never happens! I do believe that it is garbage that the senators from the smaller states of specifically rual type areas have way too much power in the senate. Their roles just need to be reversed. Goes through the Senate 1st, THEN the house gets to mold & pass the bills from the legislature presented to them because the House is the true representative majority of the voters. Problem solved! We always seem to over think things in this country.
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11:27 PM on 12/04/2009
The points raised by Mark Green cannot be overemphasized. The lethargy of our government has reached an unbearable high. I wish we had a parliamentary democracy because the form the U.S. federal government has taken is not democracy at all. That is a liberal's dream, of course. Green's proposal to reduce the sixty requirement to fifty-five in the Senate has merit. Would the Senate as presently constituted ever vote for that? No. Being a liberal is becoming too frustrating.
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10:54 PM on 12/03/2009
Never before in our nation's history have the unlikely stars of both moral and economic imperatives aligned on long overdue- US Health Care Reform

We really have no choice now as a nation

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com
10:26 PM on 12/03/2009
Mark - The Senate itself is the problem. The US Senate has certainly been less representative, from Day One, than its coequal legislative branch, the House of Representatives, in that its fundamental composition belies the principle of one person, one vote. That Wyoming (pop. 515 thousand) or Vermont (pop. 624 thousand) have the same number of representatives in the Senate as California (pop. 36.5 million) or Texas (pop. 23.5 million) might be seen by some as, well, undemocratic. The Electoral College, of course, giving two members to every state (plus the number of House members) is also inherently undemocratic. Robert Dahl's "How Democratic Is the Constitution" discusses this at length. The Senate is the body in which the powers of the special interests have always found the greatest solace and succor.

I see this incredible disparity through the prism of my issue: climate change. (http://climatechange.foreignpolicyblogs.com/) An equitable - not to mention economically progressive and environmentally smart - cap-and-trade law in the US is being held up by all sorts of parochial interests in the Senate. Public policy is enslaved to this bastion of special interests.

What to do? Constitutional convention to abolish the Senate and the Electoral College?
08:48 AM on 12/04/2009
While Mr. Green says, "[T]here's no possibility that small states will ever agree to a constitutional amendment to weaken their power in the U.S. Senate . . . ", what you ask ("What to do?") is more to the point.

And it isn't 10% of the population, living in 20 states and represented by 40 Senators, that can control matters before the Senate today. A simple majority (50% plus 1) of the voting residents of those 20 states can. Assuming that only 80% of the residents are eligible to vote and a 60% voter turnout, then actually less than 2.5% of the country has that level of control. Ten percent would be a four-fold improvement.

Why shouldn't we eliminate both the Senate and the Electoral College, in the name of democracy?
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Can't be neutral on a moving train - Zinn
09:15 PM on 12/03/2009
Green, excellent post. I'm glad you didn't call for term limits for Congress; that is a knee-jerk response which will only make matters worse.
Lowering cloture to 55% is the best method - after reconciliation passes healthcare reform to some degree - because otherwise, there will be a ludicriously high "need" of 65 senators to move forward on any real legislation. There will always be a couple of senators waiting for the vote to approach the cloture level before they start bargaining for their funders' wants.
Today's GOP is a party whose last gasps are to filibuster or hold anything possible. The GOP wants only to win elections.
09:21 AM on 12/05/2009
No need to lower cloture. Republicans used reconciliation as a normal method of doing business for the last fifteen years they controlled Congress. Even McCain, that miserable excuse for a human, admitted as such.
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02:10 PM on 12/03/2009
Maybe gerrymandering congressional districts, based on race, religion and/or political affiliation of registered voters, as the previous administration did, will 'Fix' the problem.

Senators do not determine where tax dollars are spent (wasted?). Members of the House of Representatives get that 'privilege'.
01:44 PM on 12/03/2009
It is immoral to propose or to defend health care reform that is not financially sustainable.

If there was only one thing to make you question why someone would want to avoid an open debate, consider that both health care bills in Congress use one-time accounting tricks like billing taxpayers for ten years of benefits, but delivering only six or seven of them.

Wouldn't you debate that for home or automobile insurance? Why not debate it for health care?

Why doesn't Mr. Green argue for something important, like changing the ten-year limit on CBO analysis, instead of arguing to stifle debate? It's not like longer-term analysis isn't widely available, and most of it shows that the health reform bills are each financially unsustainable in our lifetimes. This is crucially important, because when the Federal funds run short for health care, the government will start denying coverage.

It is inhumane to promise health care to win votes, without ensuring that it will not be taken away piece by piece.

Thank goodness that Mr. Lieberman has the humane standard to fight for sustainable health care,and to fight against an electorally convenient house of cards. It is a morally shortsighted of Mr. Green and so many others to fight for the APPEARANCE of reform, and not for doing the right thing the right way.

Repeating for emphasis: It is immoral to propose or to defend health care reform that is not financially sustainable.

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11:42 AM on 12/04/2009
I agree. The only sensible approach is single-payer, government- run, health care for all.
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01:36 PM on 12/03/2009
Make old Joe filibuster from now until the end of the year. Let him moan on and on and on until everyone just shouts, " Stop! I give up, pass the da*m bill....."
12:36 PM on 12/03/2009
The Senate with its "Equal representation" of each state and its archaic rules such as Filibuster and hold has become dysfunctional as an alleged "elective" body. The Senate should be held to the same term limits as the President. Two 4 year terms. They should immediate rescind the Filibuster Rule and the Hold Rule and pass everything by majority vote.. There should be a required State statute of Recall on a state wide proposition with popular vote within 60 days on the Senate seat after recall. The best solution would be adoption of an Israeli or British Parliamentary type Senate. Dissolve the "Ole boys Club'" anytime on popular vote and make em get elected again. The Senate now shows itself to be one of the most corrupt, rotten alleged elective bodies known to man.
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12:30 PM on 12/03/2009
The Senate is broken and urgently needs repair.
12:27 PM on 12/03/2009
The greatest threat to American democracy is the risk of capture. It was this danger that worried the framers most. The nightmare scenario is a moment in time in which one faction gains control of the White House, the Senate, the House and the judiciary, then uses that dominance to redesign the processes of government to ensure its perpetuation in power. If ever American citizens needed to be vigilant, it is now.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/the-nuclear-option_b_888.html
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judiNJ
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01:33 PM on 12/03/2009
Oh, you must be talking about the "Rove-era". We took care of that last year.
01:54 PM on 12/03/2009
The quote is from the linked article by Goeffrey Stone. He was extolling the virtues and necessity of the filibuster, back when the Democrats were using it to hinder Bush judicial appointments. This debate surfaces every time the majority party can't overcome a filibuster. Stone apparently thinks its a great thing, or at least he used to. I guess Green disagrees. But did Green voice this opinion in 2005?
12:25 PM on 12/03/2009
The fact Reconciliation was not used this year is a clear indication that Democratic leadership was never serious about passing real reform. What we're witnessing is the process and outcomes that the health insurance companies wanted - they dictated the strategies here; the whole thing has been a sham.
12:00 PM on 12/03/2009
If they threaten to filibuster, make them actually filibuster.
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12:00 PM on 12/03/2009
"Who elected Joe Lieberman the president of health care? "

Obviously, the leaders in the Democratic Party who will not put pressure on Harry Reid and others in the Senate to move the process forward.

They simply want to pretend that they are innocent bystanders without any power or responsibility.