The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate.
The state official in Hawaii who manages such things has reiterated that there is indeed an original birth certificate on file which would confirm President Obama's having been born in Hawaii and that she has seen it, but state law won't allow her to release it unless the president authorizes it.
So what's the problem here? Release the original and let's be done with this madness.
I realize there are some faith-based Obama supporters who believe without seeing, but the rest of us in the reality-based world are starting to get that strange feeling we got when Mark Sanford tried to convince us that he was away from his family on Father's Day, hiking the Appalachian trail in order to clear his head and write a book.
During the last campaign, John McCain faced similar questions and promptly responded by releasing his original birth certificate. That's how normal people with nothing to hide handle these things.
Most American's aren't Birthers or anti-Birthers, but we are beginning to wonder why the president doesn't put this one to rest once and for all. Every day he allows this circus to continue is another day that he behaves less like the President of the United States facing weird accusations from fringe groups and more like a strange politician flying to Argentina to visit his soul-mate while pretending to be hiking the Appalachians.
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During the last campaign, John McCain faced similar questions and promptly responded by releasing his original birth certificate. That's how normal people with nothing to hide handle these things.
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Senator McCain posted a scanned copy on the Internet, just like President Obama's scanned copy on the Internet. You do know you can't affix a stamp, put a paper copy into your printer or scanner, and teleport the paper copy around the world, don't you?
Dear Birthers,
Your party lost the election. This is supposed to suck for you. Get over it.
Signed,
Common Sense (not the Glenn Beck kind, the real kind)
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And every day Obama has to spend convincing conspiracy theorists that he was born in the United States is a day he's not doing what the majority of Americans voted him in office last year elected him to do, run the country. And yes, it follows that it's a conspiracy because his parents, the state of Hawaii, the state of Illinois, Harvard (and what the hell, lets throw The Riddler in there, too) all had to be in on it!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347
Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.
She is not reiterating that. She never said it. And GOP ploys don't give you unlimited control over other people's stuff. Neither Mark Joseph nor the Birthers have a tangible interest that gives them a right to anything from the president or the state of Hawaii beyond what they've already provided.
And it's a GOP lie that this is growing legs.
explain your position again, anti-birthers? because it makes about as much sense as saying man didn't walk on the moon.
I thought Obama was about protecting the minority's interests... go figure. after all, 80% of Americans are happy with their healthcare, but are primarily concerned about rising costs. but he conveniently ignores that to try to elevate the interests of the rest (who already have free health care, no matter if they're even legal). all that at HIGHER cost for ours and future generations. goodie!
Also, your 80% figure about health care is not only high, it's irrelevant. The reason why most people with health insurance are happy with their coverage is that most people have never been in a position where they need their insurance for more than routine doctor visits and maybe a few prescription drugs. If those people were to have a catastrophic injury or come down with a major disease like cancer, they'd discover that their insurance isn't anywhere near as good as they think it is.
I throw this out as 'fresh meat'. Now someone says they have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate. LOL.
FWIW - My only desire is that, as a country of Laws we follow those laws. I could care less if Obama stays or goes. Do I personally wish he were not our President? Yes because he's very liberal. But so what! He's only going to be president for so long and no longer. That's our system, all sides get a voice and power shifts over time. NP. It is our Constitution that remain beyond any one person or party and this is what has been erroded by the questions surrounding Obama's eligibility.
I have found all the personal attacks to be expected, it is what the small minded do in place of legitimate debate, they instead argue. There is a difference. Anyway, take a look at this. Don't know if it's legit or garbage, could be either but is probably the latter. Still doesn't get around the urgent need to simply formalize a process for Constitutional requirements for the office of the presidency. This kind of stuff is only going to propagate until we do.
If anyone checks out TxGat's other posts, you will see that this new attitude -- hey I am a reasonable guy just wishin he'd produce his birth certificate -- is a facade. You are either a birther or you are normal. At this point, anyone who just says "Oh he should produce more than he has" is just a nut. And passing it off as just reasonable curiosity and some sort of compromise from the farther right fringe is unacceptable.
Look, I saw a boat fall off the edge of the horizon. I am not saying the earth is flat, I am just saying that the scientists need to do more to prove that it's round. I mean, after all, I saw a boat fall off the edge of the horizon. And someone on the internet says the world is flat. Why can't the scientists just be reasonable and do more to make me believe it is round? What are they hiding???
You denegrade me into a frame of reference you can attack and then you attack, that being that I MUST (and you fill in the blank with your own thoughts) and keep missing what I'm trying to accomplish with MY thoughts (as opposed to your projections). Let me be Very Clear with you - WE NEED TO LOOK INTO ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR FREEDOMS OR WE WILL LOOSE BOTH. Now you decide "LegalProf" do you continue to poroject Your thoughts onto me so that you can feel superior in your beliefs or do you join me in a real discussion based upon both of us having our own thoughts? Go on all you like about how legitimate it is for Obama to seal his records and spoon feed us tidbits that don't amount to much and I will continue to disagree with you. You hinge everything upon a copy of a birth certificate that could have been obtained without him even being born in the state, do you agree with this or disagree? If you disagree then IMHO you are deluding yourself and all your analogious stories are just more of the same.
1. You believe the officials of the State of Hawaii including the GOP governor that have certified the birth have committed fraud and forgery, felony crimes.
2. You believe the FBI and every other agency that have verified this birth are also in on this fraud and are willing participants in a grand cover up conspiracy.
3. You believe that the local Hawaiian newspapers that anounced the birth in August 1961 were somehow clairvoyant in agreeing to go along with this ruse to ensure this baby would become President 4 decades later.
That is what you believe. Walk yourself through those 3 points again. How patriotic do you feel calling state and federal officials liars and felons? How sane do you feel presuming that all these folks are involved in a grand cover up? Remember you have to believe it's a grand conspiracy for it to all work in this irrational scheme.
This belief system you are concocting isn't reality. If you can't admit that the above points are irrational delusions, then you have bigger problems than doubting our President's location of birth. End of story.
It does not become any less absurd if one just pretends to have curiosity about "more" proof. The birthers and even the bi[rther]curious are the same, nuts or racists, or both. Because even having doubt or questions means you buy into the whole conspiracy claim Johnkel lays out. There is no middle gound.
Like I only believe in a magical Kenyan republic that predates Kenya's conception a little bit.
I only need slight persuasion that the Hawaii state government was not psychic.
CAN I JUST SAY THAT THESE CLAIMS ARE BENEATH HIM? IF I WAS BARACK I'D TELL YOU TO KISS MY KENYAN CHEEKS OK? (SECRETLY TO MICHELLE, OBVI HE HAS TO PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT ALL CITIZENS, EVEN LOBOTOMIZED ONES.)
BUT HE HAS MORE IMPORTANT STUFF TO DO, TRUST, THAN ADDRESS THIS RACIST, XENOPHOBIC DRIVEL.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105773
FAIL
He still would not be a naturalized citizen... because his mom is AMERICAN./.
enough of this madness.
FWIW - for me the 'madness' is to see this guy elected president without having to meet our peculiar qualifications first. You either follow your Constitutional laws or you don't. IMHO, right now we aren't and legitimate doubt has been cast upon his eligibility.
As an attorney I applaud your vague use of "it has been interpreted", but I am pretty sure you need someone with actual legal training to interpret laws in the US. I would suggest you read a book, but I know Birthers are immune to books.
Your central premise is flawed. The birther obsession has nothing to do with legitimate citizenship, so no evidence of legitimate citizenship will put the issue to bed. Legitimate evidence has been offered and affirmed by multiple credible sources and duly rejected as "not good enough". No amount of documentation or anecdotal or coincidental evidence will satisfy those who are understandably but inaccurately being treated as crazy conspiracy theorists.
The birthers don't care about this issue. What they care about is that they lost the 2008 election, and they're inventing reasons why they're justified in rejecting the results of a decisive, legal, fair, legitimate electoral victory that threw them out of the White House and reduced them to a minority party in both houses of Congress. They were thumped by Democratic opponents who played by the rules and won decisively. They're angry, resentful and desperate for a caveat that will invalidate reality.
THAT, and only that, is what this is really about.
I actually now know way more info about Obama's birth than my own, by far. Yet there is some secret missing information that they pretend to seek. They are not really birthers, you see, they are just bi[rther]curious.
But think about it: if he really is the antichrist, couldn't he have produced his long form BC though no one else can anymore? And kept his stepgrammy from getting him mixed up with his dad? Or made sure that his stepdad filled out his Indonesian school form just so? Or get his real BC not to say Father: Lucifer, as the giveaway? Pretty nonomnipotent for the antichrist.