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The Solution to Poverty: Kids Cleaning Toilets?

Posted: 12/02/11 05:33 PM ET

At a campaign stop in Iowa Thursday, former speaker Newt Gingrich, making an argument against century-old child labor laws, said: "Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works ... [s]o they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of 'I do this and you give me cash,' unless it's illegal."

His comments were in defense of his suggestion two weeks ago that kids living in poverty work as janitors in the schools they attend.

The former speaker has long positioned himself as a thoughtful conservative and a student of history. A lot of people believe that to be true. In this case, though, he's betrayed both roles.

To become productive members of society, children living in poverty don't need laws relaxed so they can clean toilets. They need to be in school learning how to read and write -- just like kids living in more affluent areas -- which is the path to a fair chance at success in life.

  • Economics says so: A meaningful investment in high-quality early childhood education would add $2 trillion to the gross domestic product within a generation.
  • Politics says so: The fight for a stronger, better education system is one that has the support of Democrats, Republicans, liberals and conservatives. Indeed, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, a Republican, is one of the nation's most prominent champions of early childhood education.
  • Our future says so: A quality education reduces crime, domestic violence and high school drop-out rates and increases productivity and innovation.

Since Mr. Gingrich was in Iowa, a short drive would have taught him something else about poverty in the United States -- that it's not just in urban areas.

In America today, there are at least 8 million people living in poverty outside actual urban and suburban "neighborhoods." These people live in genuinely rural areas like the farmlands of Iowa and the hollers of Kentucky. In these places, poverty usually means isolation from good jobs, healthy food and a quality education.

Speaker Gingrich has often railed against class warfare in America. As a student of history, he should know that class warfare isn't a one-way street of the poor fighting the wealthy. Indeed, with his own words, he taught that history lesson to himself.

 
 
 

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09:20 PM on 12/05/2011
Where does he think he is? Japan?

http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/explore/schools/index.html
07:58 PM on 12/05/2011
Seems like newt forgot that many of the parents of these "really poor children" work multiple jobs to just make it. So I guess the reason some don't have a habit of seeing someone show up on Monday is because many of them are just coming home Monday morning from the graveyard shift.
08:24 PM on 12/05/2011
actually a lot of these "really poor children" have parents who don't work at all. not all poor people are victims and saints.
01:05 PM on 12/05/2011
This is exactly what I wanted Gingrich to do, relax, know that he is the GOP frontrunner and let his true self show. All this new Newt talk is preposterous. The old prejudiced, opinionated, dishonest Newt is still alive and ticking.
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Joseph Furtenbacher
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01:24 AM on 12/05/2011
Yes, why don't you teach your children that if they do their schoolwork properly, they'll never have to do things like clean toilets, then make sure that every child on Earth (eventually, right?) has access to a chore-free education... (While you're at it, perhaps you could teach them that they'll never have to produce any part of their food, either; their education will somehow (magically?) do that too.) Or were you perhaps expecting the steady stream of desperate adults, willing to be (or, at least, willing to appear to be) grateful for the chance to earn a bit of status by waiting on your junior brainiacs hand and foot, to continue ad infinitum? Well... as long as you're sure that you'll always be on top, there should be no problem...

Ah, but I was forgetting - you'll all be better edumacated... in something or other, right? 'Course you'll always be on top...

p.s. It seems to me that if everyone, both rich *and* poor, started their first blush of youth (largely) serving older people (with access to books as a *reward*), and the amount of service was tapered off past their prime, everyone could (potentially) end their lives *being* served... a continually increasing (and increasingly enjoyable) status...

Besides, didn't somebody say, 'There's a sucker born every minute'?
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YankeeCanuck
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10:39 PM on 12/04/2011
Gingrich wants to take us back to the 19th century. Well, most of us.
Kali03
I am an Obama supporter
10:36 PM on 12/04/2011
Maybe "really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habit of working" because they are hungry. Maybe they expend all their energy just trying to survive.

Did Newt Gingrich have a "habit of working" when he was a small child?
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Stoopid American
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10:34 PM on 12/04/2011
Just because GIngrich claims to be a student of history, it does not mean that he was actually a GOOD student of history.

My question for America is a simple one: didn't we have enough of this man last century? Do we really need to listen to this nonsense again?
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Todd G Chavey
10:19 PM on 12/04/2011
While an inner city child may see some negative influences, they still are aware of what is wrong and beneath the law and what is right and I imagine most would like to attain such status. You can be around negative influences and still have a basic understanding of what is right. I feel as though there should be avenues in place to help underpriviledged children whether in the inner city or very rural areas to help acheive what one may dream.
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10:17 PM on 12/04/2011
Interesting that a guy with a phd doesn't believe in education. His despicable stereotyping is far beyond the pale and shameless. But he's not Romney so he's got carte Blanche to do whatever he wants.
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seegray
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10:17 PM on 12/04/2011
If he's such a great Historian, I wonder why he was denied tenure?
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Tony Rochon
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10:17 PM on 12/04/2011
If we are doing this to instill responsibility, then we should have all the kids take turns at helping the janitors clean the school - rich and poor. Disclaimer- I don't agree that we should be doing this. I think 9 year old kids should be studying and playing. But I wonder how many affluent parent would think that having THEIR child clean toilets would be unacceptable.
10:11 PM on 12/04/2011
What is wrong with scrubbing toilets? There are plenty of dirty jobs and somebody has to do them. Kids need to start at the bottom and work their way up like everyone else.
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Tony Rochon
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10:28 PM on 12/04/2011
Then have all the children at all socio-economic levels help out. And don't use this as an excuse to bust the custodians' unions and send the differene to the needy 1%ers.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
10:30 PM on 12/04/2011
So, your kids will start tommorrow..?
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Siara
Obama 2012
10:08 PM on 12/04/2011
I think Newt is really a cruel human being. Imagine suggesting that poor kids work as janitors in their schools.... no sensitivity to the kids around. The spectacle of this cruel, classist, pompous buffoon quoting the Bible is one of the most evil things I have ever seen.

Newt, if you want to present yourself as a "compassionate conservative" you need to get over yourself.

Ugh. This guy's conceit is about as attractive as a rotting roadkill.
Kali03
I am an Obama supporter
10:38 PM on 12/04/2011
Thank you.

Newt Gingrich just makes me ANGRY.
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Perk182
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09:50 PM on 12/04/2011
While scrubbing toilets isn't the answer, developing a work/responsibility ethic in young people, who may not have any chance to develop those attributes at home, is certainly a positive step.
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Stoopid American
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10:38 PM on 12/04/2011
I am amused at the assumption that these kids will not learn a work ethic at home just because they are poor. Stereotyping, are we?

I also am amused by your apparent lack of knowledge of how much work it actually is to do well in today's schools. They cram so much more into the 12 years than they did when we were kids, and the amount of homework is far more than it used to be. So I reject your insinuation that kids will not learn a work ethic if all they do is "just" go to school.
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Perk182
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11:41 AM on 12/08/2011
No, not stereotyping at all, grew up poor and saw it first hand even within my own family. And you may not have noticed that I said "may not have..."

And it does't matter how much work it takes to do well in school, most of the kids who I'm refering to don't do well in school, right up to the time they drop out. So reject away.
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Nightmelody
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09:29 PM on 12/04/2011
IMO I think low income/poor kids are just throw aways to our regressive candidates.

Low income parents who might be reading this--especially if you want more for your kids than low wage work ala Newt--check into Gear Up programs in your state. They are a college prep program for low income kids, and offer good scholarships. They also help tutor and coach for scholarship interviewsm, ACTs etc. They have resources for summer schools and camps that some kids might need to catch up on credits etc. They actively work with kids to find scholarships and help them apply.
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Siara
Obama 2012
10:12 PM on 12/04/2011
I agree. They've written them off. They had value when they were fetuses, but now that they've had the audacity to be born into poor families.... what good are they? The compassionate conservatives in this country would just as soon toss them in the dumpster.