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Mark Olmsted

Mark Olmsted

Posted: July 8, 2010 05:22 PM

Border Stories: Canada vs. Mexico

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I saw this car window reading "ILLEGAL CANADIAN, PULL ME OVER," while walking my dog, and I got to thinking about the huge difference in our relationships with Mexico and Canada when it comes to immigration.

According to the Jan Brewer right, Mexico exports its crime and poverty up north, as the undocumented take jobs from Americans and drain the treasury with their profligate use of social services. While this conveniently ignores, among other things, the fact that Arizona crime rates are very low, let's say we at least agree on the fact that Mexicans are economic migrants. They wouldn't bother coming to a foreign land if they could find decent paying jobs at home.

Canada is also battling high unemployment, yet there is virtually no problem with Canadian illegal immigration southward, even though one of the states alongside their long and porous border is underpopulated North Dakota -- the only state with a labor shortage. If the lack of jobs weren't enough, Canada has that supposedly awful national health care system-- socialism by any other name. So why aren't they streaming south to get what the Republicans keep insisting is the best medical care in the world, not to mention pursue the American dream without all that Big Government red tape? They would fit right in, after all, as long as they learned how to say "about" a little differently.

Let's take a closer look at Mexico. They have weak unions and extremely inefficient tax collection. They own lots of guns -- and use them -- along with a harsh penal system. Clearly they have enormous entrepreneurial spirit -- the drug cartels are as big as many American corporations, and the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim, is Mexican. They have oil and mineral wealth. There's not a lot of enforced regulation on business, and immense pools of cheap labor. Social mores are conservative. Sounds to me like Mexico is a perfect example of what a society run on Tea Party principles would look like. And yet a whole lot of Mexicans don't seem to consider it paradise at all.

It would appear that the citizens of a heavily-regulated, quasi-socialist, gun-free, highly secular country have little or no desire to come to live in the United States in any significant numbers; while the citizens of a fairly violent, mostly unregulated, extremely religious, and wealth-concentrated country keep coming in droves.

Clearly, the anti-immigrant forces in the United States need to start agitating for a Mexico that looks and acts a lot more like Canada. That would mean advocating strict gun control, higher taxes on the rich, strong unions, and even bilingualism (who can argue that Mexicans shouldn't learn English?)

They better start soon, before a new wave of immigration starts. To Canada that is, made up of Americans whose unemployment benefits have been cut off. Maybe Ottawa will grant asylum based on a well-grounded fear of persecution from the Republican Party.

 

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Mark Olmsted
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11:38 AM on 07/14/2010
The greatest irony is that if you asked any Tea Partier whether he or she would rather live in Canada or Mexico, 90% of them would choose Canada. "Socialist," high-tax, gun-free Canada; over gun-ridden, low-tax, no red-tape, wild-west capitalist Mexico.
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Sheria Reid
07:17 PM on 07/13/2010
Mark, I can't believe that the owner of the car happened to come across your post! I had never thought of this particular comparison but I think that you are on to something. Your analysis of the social and political structure of Mexico vs. that of Canada raise some valid issues as to why there is such an influx of immigrants from Mexico. The tea party comparison is apt and scary. This fixation on deregulation is so ill thought out that it's difficult to believe that anyone can actually think that it's a good idea. We are such a nation of contradictions. We are gung ho on law and order as long as it means locking up the poor or minorities, but we abhor big government when it comes to regualting business and industry, preferring to let them do as they please in some vain belief that everything will workl out for the best in the end. Even with oil filling up the Gulf, we still want to permit additonal offshore drilling without any more controls than we had in place when the current disaster happened. I love this post and your line of thought on the immigration issue.
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Mark Olmsted
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02:16 PM on 07/09/2010
How interesting to read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/09/need-a-job-try-canada-whe_n_640555.html
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Marcus047
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09:54 AM on 07/09/2010
The problem with the relationship between Canada and the US and our shared border is for Canada, not the US, in the form of all the illegal guns that are flooding into Canada from the US, as part of the drug trade and expansion of gangs from the US. Then there's all those americans come up here to exploit the health care system, whether they're trying to buy our cheaper drugs (prescription and over-the-counter) or trying to access our doctors and hospitals.
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Alitoo
08:40 AM on 07/09/2010
"While this conveniently ignores, among other things, the fact that Arizona crime rates are very low"
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Actually, they're not, and if you compare rural vs. metropolitan areas, crime is way UP along the border, a rural area. Averages, which you're quoting, hid a lot.

As for Canada, yes, Mexico should try to be more like Canada, but it's not willing to. In fact, Mexico seems eager to send its citizens to Canada and is protesting Canada's stricter control over the admission of Mexicans to that country because so many have abused Canada's asylum process. Now, if only the U.S. would learn from Canada's example, and stop "enabling" Mexico to continue the policies that drive its citizens from their own country to this one illegally.
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
09:54 AM on 07/09/2010
The US should try to be more like Canada too.
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Mark Olmsted
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02:18 PM on 07/09/2010
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent.
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09:10 PM on 07/08/2010
Maybe you should try studying the history of Mexico and the Mexican Revolution if you want to understand what went wrong with Mexico.
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Mark Olmsted
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11:23 PM on 07/08/2010
I don't know if you're addresssing me or the commenters below, but I really meant this as an ironic piece bashing the Tea Party right's attitudes about immigration, not Mexico or its policies.
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Alitoo
08:42 AM on 07/09/2010
Actually, I'm a lifelong labor DEMOCRAT, hardly a Tea Party member (not sure what the Tea Party is) and not particularly "right" either. What I do know is that the elite of the Democratic Party are no longer representing the traditional base of the Party, AMERICAN working men and women, especially blue- and pink-collar workers, whom illegal immigration most hurts. However, even those of us who are NOT blue- or pink-collar end up subsidizing illegal aliens with our tax dollars.
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ExJxS
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07:43 PM on 07/08/2010
If the French-Canadiens started flooding the country I'll bet the righties would get all twitchy.. what with their accents and furriegn language. Of course they'd have to settle in the southern states for them to notice.
09:53 PM on 07/08/2010
Dey notiss us when we go to de states, espechelly in Florida when we wear de socks wit da sandals.
03:44 PM on 07/09/2010
Me tink you made da spelling herror. Hit is "hespechelly", not spelled dat way you did.
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
04:54 PM on 07/09/2010
In Louisiana we would welcome quite a few of them as our own. At least they speak the same languages we do. No Acadian would be too concerned about a French accent.
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ExJxS
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05:37 PM on 07/09/2010
Should have specified -- Southwestern states.
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jabailo
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07:32 PM on 07/08/2010
I agree..the problem is Mexico...not Mexicans.

If one quarter the population of Spain migrated to Germany, there would be international concern and outrage for these refugees.

Yet the finger is never pointed at the Mexican Government.

They had an election Sunday and still no one knows who is in charge! Clearly, Mexico has become an anarchist state, without the wherewithal to care for its citizens. Everyone is losing! We need to take action and stabilize Mexico, with due process.
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
08:13 PM on 07/08/2010
Yes, Mexico is a failed state and no one is acknowledging it. This was done by design by the globalist/corporations. NAFTA was bad to begin with and still is. The US gets resources from the North and Cheap Labour from the South while the manufacturing base is slowly shipped overseas since the Nineties. It is a calculated destruction of America and Canada by these crooks.

America for Americans; Canadians for Canadians, Mexico for Mexicans. It's time to fix our own problems in our collective backyards before interferring in someone elses.
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01:05 AM on 07/09/2010
It is evident you don´t know too much about mexicans elections...
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
04:56 PM on 07/09/2010
Apparently, neither do Mexicans.
06:47 PM on 07/08/2010
Not nice lost grrrls, you should be arrested for impersonnating a Canadian. However, if you decide to flee north, you might get a pardon since our justice system pardons everybody.
07:19 PM on 07/08/2010
Naw, legally I'm fine, at least in California. Impersonation itself is fine, it's only a crime if you impersonate with the intent to do damage.
Though to be honest, I've considered moving to Canada, but if I do so, I will do so legally and once I'm finished with my current degree, so I have something to actually offer to your nation.
09:49 PM on 07/08/2010
I'd welcome you any time. We need innovative chicks up here.
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SamSeven
You're either with Humanity or you're not.
08:10 PM on 07/08/2010
It lets George Bush Jr into Canada, a known war criminal twice into our country and not even out in jail. Harper is George Bush lite so he wouldnt imprison his hero. George Galloway was not allowed into Canada for a conference on the Israel-Palestine conflict speech.

Canada's immigration policy is pretty strict but it could be better. Many immigrants are coming here on work/citizenship programs which is how the Canadian government legalized slave labour in this country. You put in 20k for the citizen and work for half-price then you get your citizenship.

Both the US and Canada need an immigration moritorium for now. There's more than enough labour to go around for those who want it. We dont need any more immigrants right now.

The Corporations running all three nations, Canada, Mexico and the US, under the NATO, GAT and WTO treaties dont want immigration to fail because they NEED the cheap labour to make their products. Corporations are unwilling to pay high wages unless forced too. Once they have pillaged and raped a nation they move on. After China demands better working conditions then the corporations will move to Latin America, I guarantee it.
09:47 PM on 07/08/2010
I agree 100% with you, we don't need 250,000 immigrants coming here every year, what we need even less is all these immigrants who come into Canada as refugees, especially the ones who make up stories that are unverifiable, and say they are politically or sexually "persecuted" in their country.
The other thing that should be eliminated are those immigration lawyers. They charge $500 a day (paid by Canada) to teach immigrants how to beat the system to enter Canada, get 2 passports, apply for welfare and then go back to the rathole they came from and live off the money they suck from Canada. Some also come to Canada a week or two before they give birth to get a Canadian citizenship for their child and free health care.
The shocker was when Israel attacked Lebanon in 2006. Thousands of Lebanese were waving their Canadian passports so Canada would get their asses out of their country. Three weeks after the war was over, they were all back in Lebanon. No more dual citizenships.
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
10:00 AM on 07/09/2010
What we need, and I say this as someone who works with immigrants (many highly educated) is to stop lying to the immigrants and to ourselves. We need to stop pretending that we want immigrants who are educated, are doctors and engineers, etc, when what we really want is cab drivers, people to clean our homes and offices, people to deliver our pizzas, and pack our grocery bags. We lie to ourselves and the immigrants, then when they get here, we screw them over. I live in ottawa. You would be hard pressed here to find a cabbie who doesn't have a PhD.
06:12 PM on 07/08/2010
Hi Mark, that's actually my car! I had to drive through Arizona last month and wrote that on the back in protest, and left it once I got back into CA because I was noticing that the funny looks and smiles continued. My hope was that it would spark conversation and more thought about what's going on in Arizona, and it looks like it has. Thanks for your input on this issue.
You can read more about my reasoning for putting this on the back of my car here: http://lostgrrrls.tumblr.com/post/729350702/illegal-canadian-pull-me-over-is-currently
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Mark Olmsted
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06:55 PM on 07/08/2010
You rock! What are the chances that your read this piece? Mindblowing!