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Mark Olmsted

Mark Olmsted

Posted: May 21, 2010 01:14 PM

People and Property: What Rand Really Wants

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Rand Paul did more back flips than Greg Louganis on Rachel Maddow, but his bottom line was clear. According to his libertarian philosophy, private businesses have the right to discriminate based on race, gender, or any reason they see fit.

I'm going to avoid smacking my lips at what this means for Rand Paul's Senate campaign. Suffice to say I'm praying that there are enough people in Kentucky who have made it sufficiently far along since 1964 to find his stance retrogressive and appalling.

I at least appreciate Dr. Paul's willingness to come out of the closet on this kind of conservative thinking, which is basically a fundamental belief in the primacy of the individual over the group. A society which prizes the accomplishments of the individual should therefore accord him a greater share of the wealth. For them, private property has moral agency, its accumulation represents deservedness. "Because I am better, I have more."

I understand Ayn Rand. She arrived at her philosophy as a reaction to the nightmare of Stalinist Russia in which she believed the will of the individual was always subverted to the will of the state. Fair objection, but it had nothing to do with the Soviet Union, in which the will of all individuals was completely subverted to will of one individual -- Josef Stalin. In a democracy such as we have, the power is diffused among millions of people. You may call that collectivist, but it's hardly monolithic or dictatorial (unlike, for example,a corporation in which all power flows downward from a politburo-like regime made up of the CEO, CFO and Board of Directors.)

The Rand (Paul or Ayn) philosophy, by putting private property rights at the same level of human rights, equates the status of things with the status of human beings. If property is considered equal to human beings, then it's not a very big leap to considering human beings as property. I believe this country is already familiar with this philosophy, manifested 150 years ago as slavery.

Similarly, we have Rush Limbaugh considering a toxic but profitable natural resource like oil as having the same level of importance as the Gulf of Mexico and the eco-systems it supports. He even blames the Sierra Club for the oil spill, which would be pretty funny if millions weren't taking his word as the gospel truth.

People are more important than things; oceans are more important than oil. And when a juvenile commits robbery, even armed, (but not murder) there is no conceivable justification for him to be sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole. He stole money, but it is money. He is a human being.

People who put property rights on the level of human rights need to spend some time picking cotton or weaving carpets 12 hours a day, in a dark-skinned body, being paid subsistence wages by a warlord or factory owner who screams that he has a right to run his business as he sees fit. A few years should do it.

MCO 2010

 

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Rand Paul did more back flips than Greg Louganis on Rachel Maddow, but his bottom line was clear. According to his libertarian philosophy, private businesses have the right to discriminate based on r...
Rand Paul did more back flips than Greg Louganis on Rachel Maddow, but his bottom line was clear. According to his libertarian philosophy, private businesses have the right to discriminate based on r...
 
 
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02:54 PM on 05/27/2010
Expungement of negative racial sentiments is difficult if not impossible, the attempt by psychologists to eliminate them has failed, but they must be put under control. The wrong word can have disastrous consequences. That is why sensitivity training should be given to every American and a diploma issued upon completion of the course.
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09:42 PM on 05/24/2010
I've noticed Martin Luther King's name mentioned here. I've also noticed that members of the secular religion of objectivism, based personality cult surrounding Ayn Rand, are vigorously defending their faith and setting the unenlightened straight on what their leader meant.

King led a social movement that sought sweeping structural change in the US. He analyzed racism as something built into the American capitalism system. The struggle he led was going strong before he got involved. He made it stronger and gave his life after accomplishing great things and leaving a legacy as perhaps the greatest of American citizens.

I have read enough of Rand's propaganda to know she stood for everything King opposed--selfishness, greed, arrogance, elitism. And I know enough of King to know that Rand and her herd animals would have nothing but contempt for the African American civil rights movement. King was a collectivist and an altruist. He believed in God and in combining religion and activism to fight for social justice. And in the poisonous world of Rand's personality cult, that made King a loser, a chump, and worse.

King was none of those things. We need a lot more of the thought and action of MLK and the African American civil rights movement. We don't need anything from Rand Paul, Ayn Rand, and their herd. They're impressed enough with themselves and they can go on congratulating each other for thinking they understand the way the world works or the way they think it should work.
11:46 PM on 05/24/2010
You might think that the story of Exodus would put fear in the heart of America's modern day right wing Christian.

God punished Egypt severely for enslaving and abusing the Israelites for hundreds of years, and destroyed their country with a series of plagues.

Why is it the modern day right wing Christian has no fear of God's judgement on America for enslaving and abusing African Americans? African Americans who followed MLK rooted heavily in the gospel and social justice of Jesus, who resisted with a non-violent movement?

Apparently they have no respect or fear of the God of the bible, but follow their own idols of gold, and the love of money.
12:48 PM on 05/25/2010
Thank you.
11:09 PM on 05/23/2010
Mark Olmstead wrote:
"It is this smugness that is their Achilles heel - it renders them unable to detect the discontinuity between the theoretical and the practical - and it has for decades and will continue to hobble their success in retail politics."

In other words, The truth finally comes out:

"Retail politics" = The Republican/Democrat Kabuki-Dance known also as the "Mainstream Political Process", or better yet, "How To Be A Stooge For Statism". Yes, Mr. Olmstead, we know very well that the Libertarian/Independent parties/philosophies cannot (or WILL not???) "compete" with such "retail politics".
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05:31 PM on 05/23/2010
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/rand-paul-seatbelts-shoul_n_520761.html

What a flaming idiot. Why is running to be part of a government who he doesn't even accept might have a role in saving thousands of lives? What's next? No FDA? No CDC? No cancer research? No cigarette taxes? McDonald's and Coke for school breakfasts? Go run for President of Somalia, Rand. No "nanny state" there.
05:36 PM on 05/23/2010
Will you be happy when the progress that progressives desire has left us all in the degraded state of Detroit? Progressives took a booming job market which had created affluence for most of the residents and 'fixed' it with model cities, deciding who can build when and where and how much and taxing to pay for it as the rich 'didn't need that much money' after all.
Detroit was a model for unions and redistributionists. How did that work out for the poor? They got poorer.
05:40 PM on 05/23/2010
No FDA would be great. No more coercive arm of the government to follow through with the protecting Big Pharma from market forces, and preventing multiple better run, funded, and uncorrupted independent research companies from doing a public good by stamping their approval on medicine without the undue influence of politics and lobbying.

And people don't need government to tell them to wear seatbelts. They are perfectly capable of making that decision on their own. Stop supporting a culture of compulsion and dependency.

Your post is uneducated hyperbole.
05:48 PM on 05/23/2010
FDA is a perfect example of how authoritarian these 'protections become. Created to end snake oil sales, they now decide when I can renew a prescription causing unnecessary office every year. They decide even dosages allowed. And Daschles 'best practices' database will end up limiting options, too. If the Lobotomy received the Nobel prize in the 1940's, can we not understand it would have been considered best practice, then, too? I feel my options slipping from my grasp and it scares me.
04:01 PM on 05/24/2010
@opposewar, excellent post. Agree with everything you said. Especially seat belts.
04:34 PM on 05/23/2010
Mark Olmsted wrote:

"The fact that [the Indians] lived in harmony with the land and nature, producing food clothing and shelter for their needs, was dismissed by [Ayn] Rand. She considered property materiel, exploited, transformed resources; great buildings, bridges, whatever showed off mans dominon over raw materials and produced 'wealth.' " [comment 5/21/10, 6:52pm]

Thankfully, Mr. Olmsted offers with crystal clarity the fundamental alternatives: life without property rights - the literally dirt-poor, slave-oriented, fear-filled mystical existence of the American Indians living a perpetually primitive, stone-age existence - and a property-rights-respecting society of technological industrialization where the poorest live lives of luxury compared to our “noble/humble” savage ancestors.

The Indians had an innocent excuse. They had not yet discovered the knowledge of what could lead to the kind of prosperous and quality life free market capitalism makes possible: individual reason and free will, and the unalienable rights and rights-protecting government that man’s nature as a rational being requires - which makes a proper, thriving human existence possible.

Mr. Olmsted considers the mind-denying Rousseauian/Leakeyian vision superior to Ayn Rand’s Objectivist vision of man as a heroic moral being capable of great spiritually germinated material achievements. His view holds as an ideal a society of parasites with each depending on the next guy for his barest sustenance, and none permitted to thrive economically. The last thing any socialist can claim is a benevolent concern for the well-being of his fellow man.
05:08 PM on 05/23/2010
The author is using American Indians, as Tom Woods would say, as cardboard cuts that can be self serving in arguments, rather than human beings. American Indians killed off entire animal populations believing that animals killed in hunts would regenerate, and did slash and burn agriculture.
02:39 PM on 05/23/2010
What rights do we have if no right to the control products of our labor? The one who controls the products of my labor (which include my food and water and shelter) controls me. If I don't have control of myself, who does? Everyone else? Does everyone get to control everyone else? A society of slaves? Of course it can't be everyone, because that would require unanimity, so maybe it's the majority. Maybe the majority gets to control me. Why should the "majority" have control over me (and the products of my labor)? How about no one controls anyone else. And let's not imagine that there is an equivalency between an employer and a slavemaster. There is no equivalency between one who offers wages with conditions and one who holds a gun to your head.
12:17 PM on 05/23/2010
You know, private property rights *are* human rights.
01:47 PM on 05/23/2010
I kept thinking the same thing when I read Mr. Olmstead's article. He seems to be committing what Ryle referred to as a categry mistake (i.e. treating property rights and human rights as different categories, when property rights is a subgroup of a the larger category of human rights). See his "The Concept of Mind".
12:08 PM on 05/23/2010
Mr. Olmsted, I almost forgot,
Well, if that’s the case, would you please explain to me FDR’s attitude toward German Je.ws during the 1930s? Would you please explain to me why he refused to permit them to come to America when Hitler was willing to let them go? Weren’t they poor? And while you’re at it, can you please explain to me why he refused to let those poor Je.ws traveling on the SS St. Louis to disembark at Miami Harbor in the infamous “voyage of the damned”?

You see, I’m having a difficult time understanding why a man who purports to love the poor would do that to poor Je.ws. And I’m also having a difficult time understanding why you liberals would extol a man who did that sort of thing to poor Je.ws.
12:00 PM on 05/23/2010
Oh, one final thing, Mr. Olmsted. Please don’t lump conservatives with libertarians, especially since there ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between liberals and conservatives. Both of you are statist to the core, and both of you are lovers of big government, big spending, big debt, and big inflation. And both of you are taking our nation down the road to serfdom, bankruptcy, and moral debauchery.

The only solution to the woes that you statists, both liberals and conservatives, have foisted onto our nation lies with libertarianism. Our American ancestors discovered the truth, and lots of Americans are now re-discovering it, which is precisely why you statists are so terrified.
11:59 AM on 05/23/2010
Mr. Olmsted while your at it,
Would you explain to me something about FDR’s protégé, the liberal icon Lyndon Johnson, who brought Medicare and Medicaid into existence because of his purported love for the poor, needy, and disadvantaged? LBJ, as I hope you know, killed several million Vietnamese people, most of whom were poor, in an illegal war that was based on nothing but lies. He also sent some 58,000 of my generation to their deaths in Vietnam, many of whom were poor because that’s who they were drafting to fight in that war.

Would you be so kind as to reconcile that one for me, because I’m getting real tempted to conclude that LBJ’s Medicare and Medicaid plans were nothing more than a political power grab designed to put more Americans under the yoke of federal power and dependency?

Oh, I also have a question about liberal icon Bill Clinton, another purported lover of the poor, needy, and disadvantaged. While he was in office, he killed hundred of thousands of Iraqi children with the brutal sanctions that he enforced against that country. His U.S. Ambassador to the UN, Madeleine Albright, another liberal icon, said that those deaths were worth the attempt to oust Saddam Hussein from power.

That’s always been difficult for me to swallow. How can the deaths of poor, innocent children ever be worth a political goal such as regime change, especially since Saddam had once been the partner of the U.S. government?
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05:02 AM on 05/23/2010
Some of you may wish to continue to argue amongst yoursleves, but I've restated my points in as many ways as I can, and clearly we aren't going to see eye to eye. I'm a little surprised that you'd waste your breath considering you won;t find many writers for the Huffpost---and certainly not me--who haven't thought through our opinions.
My arguers and I have a fundmentally differences in how we believe the world should work. You think property ownership is sacred, I think everybody should have the right to eat, have clean water to drink and decent shelter before ANYONE has the right to amass einordinate wealth. I think the common good should trump the desires of the few; you believe individual rights should reign supreme; and I think worship of the free market diminshes the truth that none of what makes life most beautiful comes from a desire for profit--not love, not kindness, not art, not children.
I don't go trolling around right wing blogs trying to get the writers to alter their views because I respect that they have come at their beliefs sincerely and are not going to be swayed by any remark I make. Your incessant arguing implies my views are so anemically arrived at that your enliightned thinking will allow me to see things your way. It won't. But it shows disrespect for my intellect, to think I hold such notions so loosely.
10:50 AM on 05/23/2010
I read recently that before the welfare and the civil rights acts 1 out of every 10 black American families did not have a father in the household. What these reforms really do but allow educated blacks to improve their lives while leaving the rest in the ghetto. Isn't this what Malcolm X predicted would happen with MLK's utopian dreams about working with the white man to achieve racial equality. Malcolm X was not libertarian but you never know... he was young and changing his views at the time of his death. He recognized the success of the Koreans and Chinese in overcoming racism by building and developing their own communities rather than begging the white man for crumbs. I hear your argument Mark and I agree with what you want to accomplish. The problem with it is somebody has to be given the power to decide how resources are shared. The people who are given that power use it to divide the people so they can keep the spoils themselves. In this country the leadership of the Dems and Repugs play this well staged act causing us to argue amongst themselves while the both of them have their multi-million dollar fundraisers with the wall street banks. You have to look at reality. 300 million people have given power to a few thousand people in DC to run all of our lives. The world can't possibly work the way you want it this way.
01:18 PM on 05/23/2010
Thanks again, Mark.

I've been known to visit blogs where the views differ from mine, I even sometimes express my views there, but I can't remember ever having any profound need to persuade them that I'm "right," especially because my hubris, while probably considerably greater than it has any legitimate right to be, has not risen to a level requiring evangelistic fervor and tenacity.

I, for one, have enjoyed this exploration with you, but, if you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, then I agree that it can safely be put to bed, even though there may be some who pick over the bones for a time, at least until they're attracted to fresh meat.

Perhaps our paths will cross another day. Keep up the good work, you've clearly gone beyond being a survivor of your rather eclectic past (and I suspect there's a remarkable story there) to become what some of us term a "thriver," one who takes their historical experience and uses it to become better than they ever could have without it. I commend you for the personal courage and the resilience that exemplifies.

Thanks again,

Dave
04:27 AM on 05/23/2010
An argument for Libertarianism seperated from a Jim Crow circa1960's southern era completely has nothing to do with going backwards and taking away civil rights, if anything it plans to return "civil rights" for ALL not just some. Now nothing can be perfect and eliminate racism 100% and I think Rand was alluding to that in his arguments, these issues are red herrings and overgeneralizations about Libertarianism, it does not advocate slavery on the contrary as Lysander Spooner has shown he was a leading abolitionist in getting it abolished in Massachusetts long before anywhere else in the US and Rand in his original points stated such, it maybe that Maddow was so busy talking so fast she didn't turn her ears on, except for when Rand had some exceptions or reservations about the private property clause, as most sane people would understand there are arguments that can be made in some but not all cases that the law has done some substantial harm in how it was "created" by super human beings irrefutable and totally flawless in their God like lawmaking powers, sarcasm please! No law can be perfect let a alon as falwless as something else like Ohm's law, all other are laws are just human subjective ponderings, I don't any harm should be construed by his statements, the harm was created by Maddow's overinflated Bush like "decider" attitude, with the then all day ensuing Pravda style propaganda, Bernays would be jealous.
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Mark Olmsted
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05:58 AM on 05/23/2010
Rand did not answer one direct question, posed 3 times. He was a typical evasive politician, who was realized stating what he really believed, unequivocally, and clearly, might lose him votes. He kept denying he was a racist. She never called him a racist. She asked pure and simple if private businesses should be allowed to discrimate without governement intervention. A yes or no answer would have been just fine.
I thought the teaparty pols were supposed to be different than other politicians. Rand want to advocate legislation that would allow racist behavior, but he wants credit for abhorring that behavior. No, Rand. Own the consequences of your position. Answer questions clearly. Do no prevaricate.
11:04 AM on 05/23/2010
Once again a dumbed down answer. So with your logic, the ACLU is the most racist and abhorrent organization in the country. They BOAST in their monthly fundraiser newsletter how they support Na.zi sympathizers to protest in public, speak from loudspeakers so children can hear their filth from a good distance away, and march down the street in Skokie, Illinois, which forced the families who lived on that street to be subject to their rantings (completely destroys your empathy nonsense). Thy hypocrisy on the left is staggering! Someone can support the right of people to deny the Holocaust, yet are not holocaust deniers themselves.

As far as Maddow goes, Rand answered her question by saying that an owner of an establishment would therefore not be able to discriminate against someone carrying a firearm. Her response by linking it to a 2nd Amendment issue was absolutely absurd considering she is a Rhodes Scholar. It is a private exclusion issue, which that provision in the CRA destroyed.
03:40 AM on 05/23/2010
If one can force people at the barrel of a gun to be friends then they can force them to do anything on the basis that that judgement would be for the "social welfare" and worth compelling people to agree with them, which makes it possible for companies like General Dynamics and GE to drop bombs on hospitals full of sick kids in Iraq, these companies are also the ones that started this conversation, the one's that make the bombs are using media mouthpieces to call Rand a "racist" while they bomb brown people or any people if this idea of no private property seems to exist now? It sounds insane, you might as well sanction Mao, Stalin and Polpot, afterall those people didn't own their property/bodies afterall, their dear leaders owned them, they were using public property and it was not for them to use as private, the leader had better ideas, now I can understand why a liberal will scream bloody murder about Libertarianism, it points out the crime of state coercion at all existential levels, not just some arbitrary skin color level, the democrats have become literally a party defined by "racism" and nothing much else, but that story has made it possible for federal government to take all of our so called "rights" not just black people's rights.
03:20 AM on 05/23/2010
If the government can own all of us and all places private then there are no limits to the war on drugs, war on terror and any kind of government infringement on our "private property" that meaning "our bodies", then in that sense the government can decide to ban drugs, foods and anything else and compel us to take vaccinations and drugs they think are best for us on the grounds they "own us". I find it horrible what has happened in light of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it has been used to incarcerate millions of black men for drugs, charged with felonies having rights stripped, it has enabled the government to argue that they can hold soldiers indefinitely for multiple terms of combat, it can hold detainees indefinitely all on the basis that these people are "public citizens" as Ralph Nader would call it. This public citizen ideology has made it all possible to wage undeclared wars, if anything it maybe the cause of the millions of dead Iraqi's, after all they are in a sense owned by the government and thus collateral damage.