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Posted: July 9, 2010 11:57 AM

Poll Shows People Support Checks and Balances, But Want More Limits on Supreme Court Justices

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Despite their support of checks and balances and desire for minimal changes in the Constitution, the American public favors a series of populist changes in our system of government, according to the results of a poll on the US Constitution prepared by Penn Schoen Berland for the Aspen Institute and released today at the Aspen Ideas Festival. Initiatives receiving public support include direct election of Supreme Court justices, elimination of the Electoral College, and the addition of amendments by national referenda.

The poll suggests that, while the public may be dissatisfied with recent administrations and the partisan political environment, they remain reasonably satisfied with the governmental framework set out in the Constitution. By 64 to 19 they endorse the system of checks and balances as necessary to prevent one branch from dominating the Government.

Freedom of speech was seen as far and away the single most important right guaranteed by the Constitution, and, as a corollary, only 28 percent believe the press has too much freedom. The poll covered well over 100 questions on the details of the constitutional system of government and was conducted with over 1000 Americans. The complete presentation is on the Aspen website (link).

By a margin of 6 to 1 (61 to 10 percent) Americans believe that the Constitution should safeguard even more rights, and name gender equality as the right most deserving of constitutional protection. Majorities support guarantees of equality, of the right to privacy, of the right to own property and even the right to an education. 55 percent support the right to equality regardless of sexual orientation while 47 percent thinks the right to healthcare should be constitutionally protected as well.

Two areas in which Americans are split are how best to interpret the Constitution and whether it protects some Americans more than others. While Republicans support a literal interpretation of the text and Democrats a more living interpretation consistent with the times, Independents are split down the middle, making this the single most contentious constitutional issue polled.

Additionally, upper-income Americans see the Constitution as protecting all Americans equally while lower-income Americans are less certain it provides equal treatment for all.

In another contentious area, respondents rank protecting national security as slightly more important than protecting civil liberties by a margin of 44 to 39. And while 31 percent disagree, 56 percent of Americans can see circumstances in which the police should be allowed to violate civil liberties for national security -- giving support for the so-called ticking time bomb exception when extraordinary means might be sanctioned to secure needed information.

When it comes to the Supreme Court, the public disagrees with the underpinnings of their recent ruling that extends free speech rights to corporations. By a narrow 41 to 51 percent the public also rejects giving corporations the same rights as citizens. They were more hostile to rights for criminals and terrorists, with most believing that terrorists should be treated differently than ordinary criminals.

With two wars and high unemployment it is not surprising that 71 percent say they are dissatisfied with the way the federal government operates today, believing that too much partisanship is dragging down the system. A supermajority (68 percent) believes the system today is operating worse than was intended by the framers of the Constitution.

When it comes to fixing to the system, voters zero in on the judiciary branch as most ripe for extensive changes. 69 percent call for a mandatory retirement age for Supreme Court justices and 66 percent favor term limits. Most significantly, by a margin of 51 to 34 the public favors popular election of Supreme Court justices, which follows the recent trend in some states that have chosen to elect their top justices. It is the most dramatic change to the system that the poll respondents favor.

74 percent agree it is time to abolish the Electoral College and have direct popular vote for the president. The public also favors by 49 to 41 holding national referenda for constitutional amendments.

They reject, however, lowering the age requirement or changing the citizenship requirements for president, as well as the possibility of a third consecutive presidential term. The poll shows significant support for a third term after waiting four years but even that falls short of a majority.

The public is also willing to consider 4-year terms for House members but most oppose it today. And a 49 percent plurality favors full representation in Congress for the District of Columbia.

The findings of the poll suggest that the public dissatisfaction with the direction of the country has not spilled over into widespread dissatisfaction with the constitution. There is no appetite here for changing to a parliamentary system or eliminating the checks and balances that tend to slow down change and require consensus before action. Instead the voters are sending one clear message -- they want more direct power, not in the hands of the politicians, but in the hands of the people, giving them more control over the judiciary and election of the president.

 
Despite their support of checks and balances and desire for minimal changes in the Constitution, the American public favors a series of populist changes in our system of government, according to the r...
Despite their support of checks and balances and desire for minimal changes in the Constitution, the American public favors a series of populist changes in our system of government, according to the r...
 
 
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10:13 PM on 07/23/2010
Ron Paul style quasi-Libertarian pseudo economics, couldn't be any worse than Bush economics, or Obama economics...lets give REAL change a try!
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Lab Sharpei
01:27 PM on 07/12/2010
I suggest the book titled, "Men in Black". Displays the overreach that the SC has had for too long..
12:03 PM on 07/12/2010
What's the difference between milking or bilking the system. How much does it cost? One day soon the oppressed workers will rise above the tyranny of the few. History will repeat itself. The Corporatist Elites had better start handing out a few crumbs to keep the rabble in check. Time for some pacification before the guillotine is sharpened. Crony Capitalism is all that remains. Democracy was bought and sold years ago. We all live in a slave state World. Foreign slaves are cheaper than American slaves. Competition, innovation, free market trickle down isn't working for the vast majority of Americans still employed or not. I fear that the worst of our economic situation is yet to unfold. Depression is just around the corner.
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PragmaticStatistic
11:39 AM on 07/12/2010
The Supreme Court should be comprised of a manditory 3 Conservatives, 3 Liberals and 3 Independents to avoid the political charade that happens with each new appointment.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
12:01 AM on 07/12/2010
We could hold a Constitutional Convention and get rid of the Supreme Court. Maybe even the Senate, too, while we're at it.
10:12 PM on 07/11/2010
Usefulness of poll data is limited by the education and information available to those polled. I don't understand why we continue to use this kind of data as any sign of how this country needs to be run. The American people are largely ignorant of the history of this nation, the contents of the Constitution, and the process of public policymaking. It stands to reason, then, that their opinions on these matters have very limited (if any) usefulness.
12:07 PM on 07/12/2010
I totally agree and some of the postings here validate your point. There is no freedom without knowledge of the truth. The ability of the Media to behave as tools of the corperations is shamful. Willfull ignorance should be a crime.
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mixpiklix
07:26 PM on 07/11/2010
the republicans are inviting business to help them plan America's future, in my book they are selling America to the highest bidder and they don't have to be an American company, they can be Iranian, north korean,chinese, or anybody else able to step up to the plate. We let congressman run for election and look wants happening. If we let supreme court judges run for their office that will complete the selling of America and our way of life, but judges and congressman will still be rich
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
08:02 PM on 07/11/2010
Good, thoughtful post. I agree that electing SC justices is a bad idea. However, recent decisions indicate that some have already been bought, or have some undisclosed conflict of interest. Term limits would probably be a better idea.
As for businesses planning America's future: they already are, and we've seen a taste of how disastrous that can be. Iranians, Chinese, and Saudi's (to mention a few) are heavily invested in our stock markets with enough assets to ruin us any day they choose, as well as the ability to meddle in policy. Your final statement says it all. We should remain vigilant, and be truly mindful of how undermined our liberties already are. Our "way of life" may have to adjust to evolving conditions, but never should we relinquish the freedoms, civil and other, for which we have fought for centuries, from the Magna Carta on.
07:23 PM on 07/11/2010
When thinking about the top court, Americans should try thinking outside the box of their own very limited constitutional history. The Supreme Court is the 500 lb gorilla of US politics, and occupies far more attention than it deserves, merely because it wields such great power. Every time a new justice is appointed, the country holds its breath while hearings are held. Instead of all this melodrama, you should follow the Italian example (I'm sure there are many others) and
(1) Split the Supreme Court up into 3 or 4 different top courts:
1. a final court of appeal for federal cases,
2. a Constitutional Court,
3. a final court of appeal for lawsuits against the federal government
4. a number of other functions that the Supreme Court takes care of in its spare time
(2) Make all appointments for a limited term of 9 years. No reappointments.
(3) Instead of the president appointing all judges, and then Congress agonizing over each appointment, the President should get to appoint 4 judges, Congress gets to appoint 4 judges, each state with more than 8 million inhabitants gets to appoint 1 judge.
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Kurt Mundt
Interesting world we live in, eh?
05:38 PM on 07/11/2010
Won't direct election of judges politisize them? Wasn't that the point of making judges as free from influence as they could? Wouldn't bought n' paid for judges put us directly in Banana Republc status?
Term limits I'm totally in favor of - no sucking the federal teat all your life - get a real job, BE one of The People. It's the only way to have perspective - hang out with rich people all the time and you will think money grows on trees. Especially the Tax tree.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
05:25 PM on 07/11/2010
I think there's another phenomenon at work here called the run-amok entitlement mentality. I think there's a healthcare industry, and an education industry, both of which want the voters to support them, for all perpetuity, and to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars per year, already partially achieved by making health insurance mandatory, meaning, that if you don't support those publicly-traded health insurance companies, you'll be liable for a fine from the federal government for not buying this 'protection'. And, having said that, let's talk about what a little mafia 'healthcare' has become . Ok, here you have an industry that bilked taxpayers to the tune of $50 billion in 2007, and I think even another $6 billion in 2008 or 09, maybe. And, these are the people lobbying for all of this, so they can squeeze the public for MORE cash? How stupid can people be? Answer: Very. Health insurance companies and hospitals and so forth are administrated by some very savvy people, they didn't get to where they are by accident. And, they have lots of money to throw at lobbying.
Now, education, I thiink education is becoming victim of brick-and-mortar syndrome. Nobody wants to pay to sit in a classroom and be lectured on a subject they could pick up from a book, or a network connection, or a CD for a tenth the price. But, education is one of our national sacred cows, just like medicine, just like defense.
04:49 PM on 07/11/2010
What about abolishing the Senate - that Millionaire's Club in which Senators representing a handful of voters can become petty dictators (need I give any examples?)

Just think: I live in California, population 33 million. My state gets 2 Senators.
My friend lives in Wyoming, population 500,000. Her state gets 2 Senators.

How come my vote is worth only 1/66th of that of a Wyoming voter? Eh??
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
08:21 PM on 07/11/2010
That's why there is a House of Representatives with seats commensurate with population (supposedly). Though, maybe it's time to implement term limits for all government bodies to ensure less elitist entitlements. Government officials forget that they work for The People, it seems. If only the wealthy have any chance of winning elections, then only the wealthy or "paid for" by certain interests will obtain office. Perhaps it's time for equality of opportunity. If SC Justices can make decisions that undermine the rights of the people, and aren't challenged, then we are diminished. It is clear that the government at present is corrupted. Again, term limits would sort out alot of problems.
12:07 PM on 07/12/2010
Sorry, but you missed my point: A bill has to pass BOTH the House and the Senate. So a handful of Senators representing a fraction of the American voters can stop any legislation, no matter how urgent, e.g. bank reform, environmental protection, etc.

Agree about corruption, but term limits will hardly stop that. Public financing of elections mights. That and a Constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are NOT people and do not have the rights of human beings, i.e. ridding us of Citizen's United.
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blackraisin
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10:57 PM on 07/11/2010
Both are sovereign states, so why shouldn't there be a house for equal representation?
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TheCommons
I didn't quit. You just bored me.
04:18 PM on 07/11/2010
Count me as another who believes direct election so Supreme Court justices is a very bad idea. I live in a state with a such directly elected supreme court. It's a special interests playground. Years ago it belonged to the plaintiff's bar. But they got out organized and outbid by the special interests on the right and today it operates as an adjunct arm of the business and insurance industries. A better choice is staying with appointed judges with long but finite terms not pinned to presidential election cycles.
04:50 PM on 07/11/2010
Agreed. It would lead to campaigning, which would lead to campaign spending, leading to campaign donors, and presto! Bought Judge.
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Kurt Mundt
Interesting world we live in, eh?
05:31 PM on 07/11/2010
That's the whole point of making the office appointive.
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mjredder
03:48 PM on 07/11/2010
The whole point of the way our government works now is to prevent mob rule, which is what direct democracy is, basically. There are definitely holes in the system that neglect certain demographical minorities still, but putting things like Constitutional amendments to popular vote is a terrible, terrible idea. Same with direct election of Supreme Court judges. Those posts would begin going to the candidates with the most money, and turn the SCOTUS into a kangaroo court available to the special interests that could spend the most money.
08:12 PM on 07/11/2010
You call direct democracy “mob rule”.
In defense of direct democracy, I invoke Switzerland, which has 0.1 percent of the world’s population, but holds about 60% of the world’s referenda. Academic studies comparing the different cantons of Switzerland conclude that direct democracy, i.e. lots of referenda, is strongly correlated (1) with citizens’ political awareness and knowledge; (2) with citizens’ happiness, and (3) with low government spending.
Furthermore direct democracy snatches politics from the cozy circle of political insiders and really lets the people have their say. Once a referendum was called on whether to dissolve the Swiss Army. 67% of voters voted no, and quite sensibly too. But only in a political system like that of Switzerland, where individuals can set the political agenda by ringing doorbells, would such a proposal even get to the voting stage. In Congress, it would never get out of committee. Direct democracy is the bane of insiders.
08:17 PM on 07/11/2010
PS. I now realise that MJ Redder used the term "direct democracy" to refer to popular election of candidates, and my rant was about popular voting on policies, not candidates. I agree with MJ Rewdder that direct election of judges is a disastrous idea.
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blackraisin
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11:01 PM on 07/11/2010
The thing about Switzerland, is that both the central government and the individual cantons have defined powers. So the referendums are on issues that apply to the country as a whole. Our Constitution also has defined powers, however this has since been ignored, which would cause a form of mob rule if the referendum was on irrelevant issues.

Also, everyone in Switzerland has an automatic rifle, in case there is a destructive referendum.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
09:18 PM on 07/11/2010
True democracy cannot exist without an educated electorate. Our college graduates don't possess the level of knowledge and sophistication of thought that Europeans attain in their 'high school' equivalents. I lived in Europe for years. And I can attest to the continual and progressive dumbing down of college students here. Recent SC decisions make one wonder if they aren't already bought & paid for by special interests. If we are to have a Republic in future, or a responsible Democracy, it is imperative that education be upgraded, not further eroded as is being done in California.
03:23 PM on 07/11/2010
The public doesn't know what they want!! On one hand they want politics out of the U.S. Supreme Court-- rightly so, yet on the other hand they want to select the supreme court justices. Majority of the public do not understand the law or what it takes to be a supreme court justice. They only know what they hear from the media-- which face it, is biased. Therefore, a public election of supreme court justices would be completely political full of misinformation, half-truths and undue influence.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
03:36 PM on 07/11/2010
What it takes to be a Supreme Court justice? The people don't understand? Let's see, the Supreme Court gave us a central bank, they ignored the fact that a central bank wasn't authorized by the constitution. They allowed us to be put under a fiat currency pulled out of thin air, based on nothing but our future labors (credit money) which is nothing more than endenturing us, authorized slavery nothing more. Claiming the labors of others ahead of time, how would you define it? We need to come up with a system to reign in these all powerful people who ignore the constitution whenever it suits them. The constitution requires comodity money, instead they have left us under a script system, and script is a slaves currency and a slaver's tool. Something has to be done.
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TheCommons
I didn't quit. You just bored me.
04:22 PM on 07/11/2010
You might want to look to Congress to press this agenda. Not that I think your views have any merit. They sound to me like just more Ron Paul style quasi-Libertarian pseudo economics.
04:30 PM on 07/11/2010
Dear Mr(s) hrpmap:

You're perfectly right. Something must be done at once -- you have to stop writing these screwball comments!

The Fed was created by an act of Congress, not by the Supreme Court, as you idiotically claim. Paper money wasn't foreseen in the constitution, that's true, but nor was the Air Force or flush toilets.

Fiat or paper money has no inherent worth. You accept paper money because you know you will be able to spend it – i.e., that others too will accept it. There's nothing wrong with this.

The trouble starts when the currency is manipulated by powerful bureaucrats, who are usually doing the bidding of some Wall Street bankster. That's where the shoe pinches. The financial system is run for the profit of a few hundred filthy rich parasites.

If the people had any say in how things are run, the power of the parasitical financial oligarchy could be broken. But Obama is as much a pansy of Wall Street as the Bush was (not nearly as corrupt or mendacious, however).
04:08 PM on 07/11/2010
We do however vote on the retention of local court judges whether we know anything about the law or even the judges themselves or not. It might in fact force the populace to become more knowledgable about the entire system. At least a high enough proportion to make an informed decision. How much more "completely political " could it be than it is now ? The judges are selected by a minority with an extreme bias. There are frankly many judges in the history of the court that I would suggest should never have been seated. Since it is virtually entirely political there will always be "... misinformation, half-truths and undue influence." Since the media suffers from it's own sets of biased political ambitions there needs to be a better way of informing the electorate. The average citizen doesn't want to think about it that much thus it has evolved into what it is today. A vetting committee which is more circus sideshow than anything resembeling enlightenment of the candidate. Questions are asked but are never answered and it comes down to a skill of dodging the questions. As was pointed out ; one need only look to the source of the nominee to determine their political stance. The people want fairness/ justice (and vision) and it's not altogether certain we would fair any better w/ direct election nor is there evidence we would be any worse off for trying it.
01:31 PM on 07/11/2010
If these polls are correct, the public foolishly favors a move away from the form of government created by the Founders (a Republic) to a Democracy, which is nothing but a transitional form of government to an Oligarchy (rule by an elite). A study of history indicates this 100%. It means giving up things like individual rights for collective rights (human rights), which always favor the group vs. the individual. Elimination of the Electoral College means the destruction of the United States of America, which will become the United State of America. Election of the Supreme Court means that the Court will always bow to political pressure by the majority and the Constitution will become a meaningless piece of paper because the Court will "reinterpert it" after every new election, The Constitution provides 2 methods of amendin it. Neither one is quick or easy. As our basic law, changing it should not be quick or easy. Our Constitution withstood the test of time and does not need to be discarded. We need to go back to our original principles of limited government, individual liberty and a strong Republic.
04:53 PM on 07/11/2010
Classic Libertarian thought ! This is the very political /economic philosophy which has brought us to the brink of disaster that we find ourselves presently. Hamilton would be proud of you. We have a very powerfull Oligarchic elite now not because we have practiced "Democracy" but precisely because we haven't. Historically it has been the Oligarchy which has proven transitional because the masses rise up and overthrow it. You don't have to give up 'individual rights' to the collective or the rule of law becuse you have a democracy.The country was not 'destroyed' before we had an electorial college no evidence to indicate it would be if it were eliminated. The constitution is basically a meaningless pc of paper now especially after the 'Citizens United' verdict which allows the wholesale circumvention of that document. The Constitution is always open to interpretation. If it weren't there would never be a case brought before the Supreme Court. There is a great confusion of the micro and macro when the few are allowed to pursecute the rights of the many. It's the very reason we revolted against the thrown in the first place. Individual rights must be protected but to transfer this philosophy to the macro in which corporations become persons w/ rights is to corrupt that very ideal. It basically crys open season on the individual rights of the majority and allows the powerful and influential to run rough shod over those rights.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
11:12 PM on 07/11/2010
Your Supreme Court comment is somewhat incorrect. The Constitution was open to interpretation in certain phrases, like the 8th Amendments "cruel" and "unusual", which is clearly up for debate. But to say that we have a "flexible Constitution" that can mean this one day and that the other is dangerous. The Schenck case indicated this, when the absolute "Congress shall make NO law" became well they didn't mean Congress couldn't make ANY laws.

Benjamin Franklin promised us a Republic if we could keep it ... otherwise, all we have is 2 wolves and a sheep voting for what to eat for lunch.
04:53 PM on 07/11/2010
Even if 'Republic' was the aim we are not required to stick with that if it no longer works for the betterment of all. We have a duty and obligation to change it : Says so in the bill of rights.
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
08:44 PM on 07/11/2010
And tyranny follows the disolution or failure of a Republic so far in history. Enough of our fundamental rights have been compromised lately. I say we tread very carefully forward from here. We already have the aforementioned elitist oligarchy, and it's apparent from history that absolute democracy can mean mob rule, and has yet to function in this world where so many are woefully under-educated. However we go forward, it must be with creativity and reason.
09:03 PM on 07/11/2010
I correct myself : "Says so in the Declaration of Independence" , infered in the Articles of confederation and implied in the Bill of Rights and therefore the Constitution.