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Mark S. Alfson

Mark S. Alfson

Posted: July 21, 2010 07:50 AM

Unemployed Since 2004

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I didn't finish college the first time around. Perhaps it was a lack of vision. Perhaps it was a lack of a dream. I don't know. Regardless, I almost completed my first two years at a local junior college before abandoning my education for the banality of full-time employment.

After a decade-long career in the transportation industry left me feeling listless and dissatisfied, I seriously contemplated a return to college. Living in Chicago at the time, I ventured to the University of Illinois-Chicago and enrolled without much of a plan, yet with the intent to do something. Anything. But as often happens, my family and I relocated to Florida for my wife's new job before I had a chance to select my first class, much less a major.

However, this relocation did not impede my plans. In fact, it actually helped move it along as I found little employment opportunities that matched my skill-set and interests. I entered the University of Central Florida in Orlando around the age of 37 and graduated in December 2004 with a degree in accounting and with a 3.45 cumulative GPA.

During my time there, I managed to work part-time for a local municipality in their accounting department. I frequently thought how lucky I was to be gathering knowledge and skills in a new field while attending UCF. I felt proud and accomplished as I finished UCF at the end of 2004 and my family and I relocated back to Chicago.

However, Chicago at the beginning of 2005 was a taste of things to come. A bad taste. During the three months I actively pursued gainful employment I managed only two interviews and one temporary job placement (which I had to turn down due to its excessive distance from home). Still, this was nothing compared to what I was in store for, when my family unexpected moved to the Dayton, Ohio area at the end of the summer in 2005. My wife had been offered a great job with a new firm and after much discussion, we elected to leave Chicago.

I still maintained high hopes for finding gainful employment quickly even though Chicago had been less than generous. Unfortunately, my optimism was not well-placed as Dayton -- where we moved -- and Ohio at large were suffering greatly from a downturn in the economy. The American automobile industry shared close ties with Ohio and the lackluster performance of the Big Three had taken a toll.

With my freshly printed degree and five years of experience in governmental accounting, I found obtaining even an interview next to impossible. Between August 2005 and September 2007 I managed four interviews and two temporary staffing gigs. It was, to be frank, painful.

And matters have only gotten worse since 2007. I didn't think the recession could really hurt us any more, but it did. Jobs have dried up. I recently attended a job fair for a law firm opening an operations center. They are looking to fill 187 jobs, but I easily saw 300-plus during the one hour I was in attendance. That was during just one hour of at least twelve total hours the job fair ran over the weekend.

Oddly enough, it isn't the daily feelings of hopelessness and depression that really get me down. Instead, it is a constant sense of fear of the future, of not contributing to social security, of not having an IRA, of not contributing to an employer's 401(k). At 45, I have no idea what to do or where to turn. More education seems like a joke. I'm overqualified for the local retail stores. And there are few if any available jobs for my given career path. And while I know I'm not alone, that fact offers zero solace.

I can imagine how difficult it must be for those in their early 20s to be going through the same problems, but at least they still have a long future ahead of themselves; a future that may turn around and offer them a secure place in the world. At my age, I'm not only going to encounter the problems associated with a lack of jobs in the market, but also will be forced to deal with inevitable discrimination that comes with hiring older folks.

 
 
 
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Mark S. Alfson
06:27 PM on 08/11/2010
Posting a comment to my own piece.... is that weird.

A perfect example of how completely out of whack is the economy here in the Dayton, Ohio area, I refer to this passage from an online article from WDTN.com concerning the company Behr and some recent hiring on its part:

"Despite all the job postings, company officials said they had a good pool to pick from. More than 3,000 applicants vied for the 74 positions listed in the last few month."

(http://tiny.cc/3dzdb)

3,000 applicants for 74 positions. Forget the oft quoted number of 5 prospects for ever open position. This equates to 40 for every position offered.
05:09 PM on 08/06/2010
In the U.S. we have been relentlessly trained by the media to place all blame for general social problems on individuals instead of institutions. This poster is probably qualified for accounting jobs as well as many general management jobs OUTSIDE of accountancy. He is being offered nothing.

So instead of speculating on why universities are continuing to train students for fields which hold no job prospects we blame this gentleman for being unwilling to mow lawns, dig ditchs, clean up construction sites or sell fries. It's absolutely unthinkable that the fault could be with the nation as a whole. Conversely, if you run a bank into federal bailout territory you are still deemed qualified for multi-million dollar directors jobs. A nation that rewards failure and punishes scholarship doesn't have much gas in the tank. The U.S. is running on fumes.
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11:50 AM on 08/03/2010
Have you tried working at a tax preparation agency or starting your own business doing taxes? Or what about doing bookkeeping for small businesses at a reduced rate. Accounting is being
touted as one of the best majors, so it is surprising to hear of your predicament.
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Mark S. Alfson
06:23 PM on 08/11/2010
A few years back I sent out my resume in early November to a number of local CPA and bookkeeping offices offering to work during the holidays to fill in for folks taking vacation and holiday time. I tried to sell it as being cheaper than hiring a temp, etc. I heard from no one.

Tried again the next year with the same results: nada.

Part of the problem for me is that there are plenty of other accountants out of work with experience in those particular areas of taxes and general bookkeeping. My expertise was in capital asset and project asset maintenance. I have only seen one job in that area since moving here and I applied for it. Interviewed for it, but didn't get the job.
06:54 PM on 07/22/2010
I feel for the guy. EXCEPT for one tiny statement. He says "I'm overqualified for the local retail stores. And there are few if any available jobs for my given career path."

Um, I totally see how that would be annoying, but it sounds like you are unwilling to take jobs that don't fit yoru career path. I say take whatever job you can get, and in the meantime, look for the job that is related to your career path.

Lets all remember that "doing what we want to" is a luxury, not a right. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. And his wife is employed, so even though I wish him well, this isn't exactly someone that I feel sorry for. He has it better than many. Also, he should stop moving so much. Looks like in this article they relocated at least four times. That's an expensive thing...
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Mark S. Alfson
12:19 PM on 07/28/2010
Jerome,

Perhaps I should have been more clear in my statement regarding being over-qualified for jobs at my local retailers. This wasn't something I simply assumed, but was told on two separate occasions while interviewing for jobs at such places. I didn't hear from most locations, but two were good enough to interview me, but made it quite clear I was over-qualified for the work. This came as no surprise, but I appreciated they spent the time to both interview me and explain the problem.

In addition, I've been quite open to job opportunities outside of my career path. The problem is the same though: no jobs available. Being open to opportunities doesn't guarantee a job.

I might add I mow a couple of lawns (during the lawn mowing season) just to keep myself busy to some degree. It isn't real money, but at least offers a sense of satisfaction. I'm not too good to work, I'm simply not finding jobs.

Lastly, moving around is irrelevant. I've been here, in Ohio, for five years. I lived in Chicago for six and the rest of my life in Florida. We've moved for my wife's employer.

And lastly, thanks for your comment. I don't need or require your sympathy, but don't jump to the conclusion that just because I didn't mention everything about my bout with unemployment means I haven't been doing something...anything to get working. I simply didn't have enough room to write it all.
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acacia72
11:04 PM on 07/21/2010
Oh, do I feel your pain. I'm 55 yrs old and was laid off in 10/08 from a large corporation in where I worked in IT/Telecommunications. I'm working again, but for one-third the wages, and have worse benefits. My wife is a medical transcriptionist, and her work load was cut by about 60 percent. We are the parents of a 17 year old (but high-functioning autistic) who's growing like a weed and wanting things like cell phones, designer shoes, video games, etc, etc. We are almost out of money as well. There is hope on the horizon though. I have been offered a better position that should eventually improve my family's economic predicament, but I haven't as yet started the position and my boss hasn't mentioned it lately. All the while the bills are piling up. I'll wish you luck if you do the same for me! Good luck and hang in there!
05:07 PM on 07/21/2010
Have you considered doing contract accounting for small businesses? You might also try nonprofits as they will be more willing to hire an older employee.

Good Luck, and don't give up hope.
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Mark S. Alfson
12:21 PM on 07/28/2010
My first interview was with a non-profit (local municipality) and while I was clearly the best candidate I was "over-qualified". As for contract work.... I haven't seen anything like that advertised in the local papers, on CareerBuilder, Monster or Craig's List. To be frank, I've seen few accounting/finance jobs advertised at all, except for those related to selling financial securities. Apparently there is a revolving door in that industry.
12:40 PM on 07/21/2010
Mark, Thanks for sharing...being in an eerily similar situation (Degreed, Experienced, 45, Dayton, Oh for the past three years) I had to post. Your assessment is spot on and I share your frustration and fears, though this offers "zero solace" I know all too well that only those actually in this situation can fully comprehend the gravity of it..."Chin up", "Things Wont Stay This Way Forever", "Have you tried XYZ", "How About blah blah blah"...though well intended these sentiments only serve to piss me off and further isolate...As if the puritan work ethic and a change of attitude are all that is needed or what i am lacking...but enough of the commiserating. I feel there are solutions, political, but the problem must first be understood- accurately- I suspect "unemployment" numbers are drastically off. i don't know for certain, but suspect the stats only include those actually receiving unemployment benefits- which I am not yet remain severely un (under)employed, in addition I feel the federal minimum wage MUST drastically increase at the rate of inflation- if not in the small local business sector- then for any business employing over 200 workers especially multi- national corps and national corps that force small business out of business (think Walmart). We must revisit NAFTA and (horrors) raise taxes (on $200,000+ income and zero corp exemptions TIF, this would not have kept NCR here) ...sorry for the rant- elect pro labor bottom line- just a thought Dayton
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OnTheOtherBeach
01:59 PM on 07/21/2010
Blame Walmart for everything much? The businesses that close when Walmart opens tend to be the ones that have had crappy hours and high prices -- especially in smaller towns. Walmart provides new jobs in many communities and no one forces anyone to work there. It's a conscious choice. Get over yourself and look at the actual cause and effect.

I'm 50s, degreed, highly-experienced... but in a field that's not doing any hiring at the moment. But I don't blame Walmart.
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yakmeat
My bank account is emptier than my micro-bio.
12:26 PM on 07/21/2010
I share your fears, Mark. I'm only 38, but I often look back at the money I haven't made over the last 15 years and the slim opportunities of today and I think "Retire? Sure, at age 117!" It is sometimes hard to live for today while you fear for the future.
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UniversalStop
12:05 PM on 07/21/2010
After recently finishing my Ph.D. in nonclinical psychology, I found there to be very few job prospects.

And, oddly enough, I too am now in the Dayton area, living with some friends who were nice enough to give me a bed.

Ain't the promise of education grand?
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Mark S. Alfson
12:23 PM on 07/28/2010
I still get something of a laugh when I think back to my professor in Advanced Cost Accounting. He once mentioned something about how we (his students) wouldn't be doing things like data-entry work when we started working because we would have our degrees and "lessor" folks would be doing that sort of stuff.

Data entry work looks pretty good to me right now!
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outtopastur
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05:57 AM on 08/05/2010
Mark,
I am a healthcare professional and have been out of work for almost fifteen months. I just interviewed for a data entry position yesterday. It barely pays above minimum wage, but this seems to be the norm rather than the exception as far as opportunities goes these days. At this point I'm willing to do ANYTHING, just to be able to work again.
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doctor gogol
11:46 AM on 07/21/2010
6 years of total unemployment reflects badly on your resume. No matter if its your fault or not. Do anything!!

All I have to say is take what you can get. Its easier to get a job when you already have one. You'll feel better about yourself, you'll feel justified, you'll at least have some money and it shows to employers that you are serious.

There are many lower level jobs in the medical field, that require short training (some are reimbursed through the federal govt), in all areas of the country. They may not pay very well, but they have kick ass benefits.

There are jobs out there. Maybe not the ideal jobs, but starting somewhere/anywhere, is crucial to building up a history. Otherwise you're finished.
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Mark S. Alfson
12:28 PM on 07/28/2010
There-in lies the problem though. One cannot have a job if there are no jobs or no one is hiring.

It's easy to say positive things about lower-level/entry-level jobs in the medical field, but short of returning to school yet again (with no assurances of work once completed) prospective employers will do their best to match the given job to applicants. Work experience, skill set and education (or lack thereof) will determine who gets those jobs. At this point I'm not qualified to grab one.

I will concede, however, that I have often thought the route to take may be to do as you suggest. There is growth in the medical field, but a secondary problem kicks in. One that has been highlighted in articles right here on Huff Post: age discrimination.

Say I opt to take some courses and take the plunge into the medical field. I'm curious if a prospective employer is going to see me, the middle-aged guy, as the better candidate than the early twenty-something? We all like to think we are equally viable candidates, but age does play a role in the hiring process.
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doctor gogol
02:09 PM on 07/29/2010
I'm only a couple years younger than you, I was in a similar situation of long term under-employment and/or un-employment. My college trained, 10 year career died and will probably remain dead. I took a short 4 week medical training course at the red cross and immediately got a job. Not a great job, but still a job. A 49 year old friend of mine (in your general location) then did the same thing and shortly after is now working.

There is a time to keep trying the same old tactics that haven't worked, expecting different results, and there is a time to try something new.

The time to stop making excuses is always now. As is the time to stop feeling sorry for yourself. Fight succeed or give up and die. You'll decide your own future.
11:37 AM on 07/21/2010
I would think that you would realize that there are plenty of accountants and not enough ditch diggers. Figure it out. To get a job, you have to be willing to offer something people need.
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Mark S. Alfson
12:30 PM on 07/28/2010
That's an interesting statement. I don't think it means anything though.

I seem to recall that accountancy is still a growth industry according to articles found around the web. The Sarbanes-Oxley act provided a lot of new growth in accounting. The problem isn't accounting, but a pitifully slow return to job growth after our economy shed millions upon millions of jobs.
ruburnt
Live Free or Die....
10:37 AM on 07/21/2010
I admire the fact that you went back to get your education. We were in the same boat up until 8 months ago when my husband found a job in New Hampshire. We had to move our life from Denver, Colorado. We are also in our 40's and have no retirement and have two kids to think about. This economy is the worst in our lifetime but it's important to have hope that things are going to get better.....
10:27 AM on 07/21/2010
I'm roughly in Mr. Alfson's age bracket.

Can I be the only person reading this who thinks, "There but for the grace of God go I"?
11:44 AM on 07/21/2010
We all think it. Some of us are humble enough to take a job to pay the bills instead of pretending it's the 80's and if you graduated from college, it means something. I am 43. Have been at home with my son for five years and got the first job I went after last month. By relentlessly volunteering my service for free. Since I was doing nothing all day anyway. Wasn't pushy, just said I would do the tedious jobs no one wanted, if they would give me a chance. Now I'm working. At the best restaurant in my city. Overqualified is a word that needs to disappear from our vernacular.
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OnTheOtherBeach
02:02 PM on 07/21/2010
And some of us are more than happy to take anything... but aren't getting the opportunity despite making face-to-face contact with managers, penetrating those impenetrable online application systems, you know the drill. I can live with tedious for now.
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Mark S. Alfson
12:33 PM on 07/28/2010
Humble? I mow a couple of lawns for a couple of bucks. Humble? I volunteer my free time to take care of a small colony of feral cats. My education hasn't stopped me from trying to get jobs outside accounting. The economy has seen to that. And last time I checked I wasn't responsible for our economy sucking.

And over-qualified wasn't a word I opted to use. It was a word used against me by prospective employers who thought someone with my education would be likely to leave at the earliest possible chance. I never felt over-qualified. If I had I wouldn't have bothered to apply for those jobs. It is the business folks who made up and used the word.